| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy 14:14 - Jun 16 with 1611 views | Superblue95 |
I thought I was meant to be watching Finland vs Russia? |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:16 - Jun 16 with 1410 views | TractorCam |
Mario Fernandes always wanted to represent Russia as a young lad.
Is it true? You decide. |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:18 - Jun 16 with 1387 views | Dubtractor |
Players taking new nationalities annoys me. Renders International football pointless.
Fair enough to go back to grand parents, but a Brazilian living in eg Japan for 5 years isn't Japanese. |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:21 - Jun 16 with 1358 views | clive_baker |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:18 - Jun 16 by Dubtractor |
Players taking new nationalities annoys me. Renders International football pointless.
Fair enough to go back to grand parents, but a Brazilian living in eg Japan for 5 years isn't Japanese. |
Yeah I'm not on board with qualifying through residency. All for residency and permits to work, so appreciate it's a grey area, but with something like international sport and representing your country I don't quite get it. Wasn't Almunia eligible for England at one stage? Having never played for Spain and been at Arsenal for 5 years. Bit weird.
To be fair to Kamara and O’Shaughnessy they are both firmly Finnish, born and raised there. |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:22 - Jun 16 with 1349 views | Snedders |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:22 - Jun 16 with 1342 views | blu_dru |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:18 - Jun 16 by Dubtractor |
Players taking new nationalities annoys me. Renders International football pointless.
Fair enough to go back to grand parents, but a Brazilian living in eg Japan for 5 years isn't Japanese. |
To be fair Daniel O’Shaughnessy was born and raised in Finland but i get your point |  | | |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:23 - Jun 16 with 1335 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:18 - Jun 16 by Dubtractor |
Players taking new nationalities annoys me. Renders International football pointless.
Fair enough to go back to grand parents, but a Brazilian living in eg Japan for 5 years isn't Japanese. |
Have you seen the Chinese national team recently? Have about 5 Brazilians which now play for them as well as Ty Browning (once of Everton) ... he now plays out there, but is eligible due to a Chinese Grandfather. Has had to change his name as well. |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:24 - Jun 16 with 1326 views | chrismakin |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:21 - Jun 16 by clive_baker |
Yeah I'm not on board with qualifying through residency. All for residency and permits to work, so appreciate it's a grey area, but with something like international sport and representing your country I don't quite get it. Wasn't Almunia eligible for England at one stage? Having never played for Spain and been at Arsenal for 5 years. Bit weird.
To be fair to Kamara and O’Shaughnessy they are both firmly Finnish, born and raised there. |
What would you say is the cut off timewise tough
Sterling for example, Born in Jamaica, came over when he was 5. |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:24 - Jun 16 with 1319 views | Superblue95 |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:21 - Jun 16 by clive_baker |
Yeah I'm not on board with qualifying through residency. All for residency and permits to work, so appreciate it's a grey area, but with something like international sport and representing your country I don't quite get it. Wasn't Almunia eligible for England at one stage? Having never played for Spain and been at Arsenal for 5 years. Bit weird.
To be fair to Kamara and O’Shaughnessy they are both firmly Finnish, born and raised there. |
Wasn’t really aware of any of their backgrounds, just thought it was funny the amount of names that don’t sound remotely Finnish or Russian.
Agree with you and Dub though that it should take more than just residency to qualify for international football | |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:27 - Jun 16 with 1285 views | BarcaBlue |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:24 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
What would you say is the cut off timewise tough
Sterling for example, Born in Jamaica, came over when he was 5. |
30 years, and I'm still waiting for my call up here. |  | | |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:28 - Jun 16 with 1272 views | clive_baker |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:24 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
What would you say is the cut off timewise tough
Sterling for example, Born in Jamaica, came over when he was 5. |
5 then :)
It is a grey area for sure, and definitely feels a bit arbitrary to pluck a number out of the air, it just feels like it makes a mockery of International competition really, when someone has qualified solely through residency. Could have absolutely no ties to a country, never stepped foot in there before, but join a club at 25, spend 5 years playing out there, then at 30 you're called up? Not sure about that. Happens a lot in Rugby. | |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:30 - Jun 16 with 1248 views | StokieBlue |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:28 - Jun 16 by clive_baker |
5 then :)
It is a grey area for sure, and definitely feels a bit arbitrary to pluck a number out of the air, it just feels like it makes a mockery of International competition really, when someone has qualified solely through residency. Could have absolutely no ties to a country, never stepped foot in there before, but join a club at 25, spend 5 years playing out there, then at 30 you're called up? Not sure about that. Happens a lot in Rugby. |
I think if you're moved somewhere before you're at the age where it's your decision then that's fine.
It's not like a 10 year old can say "I'm not moving there".
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:35 - Jun 16 with 1214 views | jayessess |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:28 - Jun 16 by clive_baker |
5 then :)
It is a grey area for sure, and definitely feels a bit arbitrary to pluck a number out of the air, it just feels like it makes a mockery of International competition really, when someone has qualified solely through residency. Could have absolutely no ties to a country, never stepped foot in there before, but join a club at 25, spend 5 years playing out there, then at 30 you're called up? Not sure about that. Happens a lot in Rugby. |
Migration produces complicated identities and migrants have complicated connections with places they live in for a long time. I think there's something sad about definitively telling anyone who lives and contributes in a place for years and years that they can never truly be "one of us".
Sure there's some cynical manipulation of the rules, but I think it's worth it for maintaining the principle that it's not just being born in a place that makes you "of that place". |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:37 - Jun 16 with 1187 views | TractorCam |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:24 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
What would you say is the cut off timewise tough
Sterling for example, Born in Jamaica, came over when he was 5. |
Before you start your professional career I'd say. Examples above show players who are representing a country because they signed for a club in their league. | |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:41 - Jun 16 with 1150 views | Parky |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:21 - Jun 16 by clive_baker |
Yeah I'm not on board with qualifying through residency. All for residency and permits to work, so appreciate it's a grey area, but with something like international sport and representing your country I don't quite get it. Wasn't Almunia eligible for England at one stage? Having never played for Spain and been at Arsenal for 5 years. Bit weird.
To be fair to Kamara and O’Shaughnessy they are both firmly Finnish, born and raised there. |
He’s no finish, he’s only 28 |  | | |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:45 - Jun 16 with 1101 views | clive_baker |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:35 - Jun 16 by jayessess |
Migration produces complicated identities and migrants have complicated connections with places they live in for a long time. I think there's something sad about definitively telling anyone who lives and contributes in a place for years and years that they can never truly be "one of us".
Sure there's some cynical manipulation of the rules, but I think it's worth it for maintaining the principle that it's not just being born in a place that makes you "of that place". |
I don't disagree with that at all, I'm not going all 'if a dog is born in a stable, it doesn't make it an 'orse' Farage on y'all. I've lived in other parts of the world and my wife is a 'migrant', albeit an Irish one, having moved here at 18. I think the onus has to be in part on the individual too, as much as she loves it here I'm not sure she would represent England at anything, even if Ireland didn't want her. Appreciate money talks in some instances though. It is a hard one, it's just about how the cynical manipulation can be reduced while remaining fair. I'm sure there are Somalian's asking why Mo Farah runs for GB (although I believe he qualifies on heritage rather than residency). It's a sticky one. | |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:49 - Jun 16 with 1084 views | Keno |
Thats the kind of thing thats really annoying and I pity anyone who tries to do a quiz based on which countries players come from and play for in the future
Anyone who does that is very brave and deserves high praise [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 14:49]
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 15:06 - Jun 16 with 998 views | jayessess |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 14:45 - Jun 16 by clive_baker |
I don't disagree with that at all, I'm not going all 'if a dog is born in a stable, it doesn't make it an 'orse' Farage on y'all. I've lived in other parts of the world and my wife is a 'migrant', albeit an Irish one, having moved here at 18. I think the onus has to be in part on the individual too, as much as she loves it here I'm not sure she would represent England at anything, even if Ireland didn't want her. Appreciate money talks in some instances though. It is a hard one, it's just about how the cynical manipulation can be reduced while remaining fair. I'm sure there are Somalian's asking why Mo Farah runs for GB (although I believe he qualifies on heritage rather than residency). It's a sticky one. |
Mo Farah's British citizenship comes from his Dad getting citizenship via residency, I believe (although his Dad was a British Colonial citizen at birth, because Somalia was a British colony at the time).
I think with grey areas you balance the effects both ways, I guess. I'd tend to say there's so few players that are obviously manipulating things that standing up for that broad welcoming idea is more important.
Even with Fernandez I don't think it's cut and dried that it's only cynical abuse of the rules. He turned down opportunities to play for Brazil, was apparently very unhappy there and seems to have found himself genuinely at home in Russia. Maybe he just identifies with his adopted nation? | |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 15:21 - Jun 16 with 930 views | jaykay |
mike england playing for wales , alan brazil playing for scotland jason scotland playing for
trinidad what ever next  |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 15:22 - Jun 16 with 914 views | Keno |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 15:21 - Jun 16 by jaykay |
mike england playing for wales , alan brazil playing for scotland jason scotland playing for
trinidad what ever next |
Matt Netherlands played for Ireland | |
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| Dumfries has scored at this tournament.... on 15:25 - Jun 16 with 872 views | Bloots |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 15:21 - Jun 16 by jaykay |
mike england playing for wales , alan brazil playing for scotland jason scotland playing for
trinidad what ever next |
.....and he's not Scottish.
Neither is Sterling, but that doesn't quite work. |  |
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| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 16:25 - Jun 16 with 767 views | WeWereZombies |
| Mario Fernandez, Glenn Kamara, Daniel O’Shaughnessy on 15:06 - Jun 16 by jayessess |
Mo Farah's British citizenship comes from his Dad getting citizenship via residency, I believe (although his Dad was a British Colonial citizen at birth, because Somalia was a British colony at the time).
I think with grey areas you balance the effects both ways, I guess. I'd tend to say there's so few players that are obviously manipulating things that standing up for that broad welcoming idea is more important.
Even with Fernandez I don't think it's cut and dried that it's only cynical abuse of the rules. He turned down opportunities to play for Brazil, was apparently very unhappy there and seems to have found himself genuinely at home in Russia. Maybe he just identifies with his adopted nation? |
Fernandez is quite a case in that he is Russian by Presidential decree. And his Wikipedia does intimate that he was so unhappy as a kid in Brazil that he even went feral at one point. Perhaps he genuinely prefers the rigidity of the Russian regime having seen the other side of the tracks and how low the prospects can be for street kids in Brazil. I do wonder what his life will be like in twenty years time when he is no longer idolised as a star footballer and thinks about the Copacabana beach in the middle of winter...nah, he will have enough money and kudos left to go to Cuba from September to March, won't he?
Oh, but Putin... |  |
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| Dumfries has scored at this tournament.... on 16:26 - Jun 16 with 762 views | footers |
| Dumfries has scored at this tournament.... on 15:25 - Jun 16 by Bloots |
.....and he's not Scottish.
Neither is Sterling, but that doesn't quite work. |
At least he got the currency right. |  |
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| Dumfries has scored at this tournament.... on 16:29 - Jun 16 with 757 views | WeWereZombies |
| Dumfries has scored at this tournament.... on 16:26 - Jun 16 by footers |
At least he got the currency right. |
That doesn't explain how Mark Fish never got in the German team... | |
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| They use Euros..... on 16:38 - Jun 16 with 732 views | Bloots |
| Dumfries has scored at this tournament.... on 16:29 - Jun 16 by WeWereZombies |
That doesn't explain how Mark Fish never got in the German team... |
...not Fish.
Obviously. | |
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