| Boris has taken us back to the top of the table 12:42 - Jun 17 with 3705 views | StokieBlue |
UK now has the highest number of C19 cases per 100,000 in Europe. Great work there from Boris and his non-existent Indian trade deal.
I also see that Ryanair are taking the government to court to try and get transparency on the traffic light system without taking into account that it's all pretty irrelevant as lots of other countries are stopping travel from the UK due to the Delta variant so it makes little difference what countries are green.
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| Boris has taken us back to the top of the table on 15:04 - Jun 17 with 943 views | WeWereZombies |
| Boris has taken us back to the top of the table on 13:36 - Jun 17 by Ftnfwest |
although we do test 3 times the rate of anyone else which doesn't help |
Not quite true, if you look at the Johns Hopkins University table (Ely_Blue post 13:43 for link) you can see that, per capita, Denmark is testing almost four times as frequently as the United Kingdom, Cyprus more than twice as much, Austria almost twice as much. But we are top ten. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong SB.... on 15:06 - Jun 17 with 927 views | Bloots |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 14:47 - Jun 17 by StokieBlue |
Thanks for the clarification.
"The whole premise of how this condition spreads is that it is in "waves" we have always got these waves before mainland Europe has, so citing data from this week when we are hitting a wave seems slightly opportunistic to me."
That is true although a lot of the wave dynamics are artificial. For instance, the Delta variant now has an R of at least 6.5 (in comparison to 2.5 for the original strain of C19) so if there were no restrictions the waves would be a lot longer. For instance, Brazil is still nearly at 1000 cases a day, their wave has an incredibly long tail.
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....I've got no problems with maintaining restrictions, I'm not one of "that lot".
Although I do think that some of the official projections look a tad over the top! |  |
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| It was indeed a typo..... on 15:24 - Jun 17 with 897 views | XYZ |
| It was indeed a typo..... on 15:04 - Jun 17 by Bloots |
....death rates and infection rates mixed up. Amended.
I'd be interested to know what you think me saying that you have "an agenda" is a "tell" of?
It's good to know that you have selected which countries that you are happy to compare us with.
Can we include Italy? Or do they eat too much pasta for your purposes? |
Italy is a european country with a similar population to the UK, so patently it fits my description. What leads you to think otherwise? And yes, I know it has higher deaths/ pop'n that the UK.
The "tell" is of someone wanting to get a point across without having it critically examined - "I've scored a point and don't ruin it".
What can we learn from comparing the UK to San Marino?
What do you think my "agenda" is? |  | | |
| I've got no interest in point scoring.... on 15:33 - Jun 17 with 877 views | Bloots |
| It was indeed a typo..... on 15:24 - Jun 17 by XYZ |
Italy is a european country with a similar population to the UK, so patently it fits my description. What leads you to think otherwise? And yes, I know it has higher deaths/ pop'n that the UK.
The "tell" is of someone wanting to get a point across without having it critically examined - "I've scored a point and don't ruin it".
What can we learn from comparing the UK to San Marino?
What do you think my "agenda" is? |
...and for clarity I certainly didn't compare San Marino to the UK, you brought them up.
This conversation started purely from a point of view of whether we should look at the current figures in isolation or the longer term figures, and whether higher numbers of tests should be taken into account.
The conversation has been totally sensible and well mannered.
On thing is clear and that is that different reporting processes and different testing regimes are just two of the reasons that it is difficult to compare countries, that has been the case from the outset.
Your agenda is obviously to paint as bad a picture from the figures as you can.
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| Boris has taken us back to the top of the table on 15:37 - Jun 17 with 864 views | hype313 |
Although a word of caution for the European countries opening up.
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| Boris has taken us back to the top of the table on 15:44 - Jun 17 with 846 views | StokieBlue |
| Boris has taken us back to the top of the table on 15:37 - Jun 17 by hype313 |
Although a word of caution for the European countries opening up.
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Indeed, the R is at least 6 although they are being careful to say "at least 60% more infectious than the alpha variant". I've seen some scientists saying the R could be as high as 8.
For comparison, seasonal flu has an R of about 1.2.
The scope for huge explosions in infections in unvaccinated people is awful with the Delta variant.
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| I've got no interest in point scoring.... on 15:52 - Jun 17 with 822 views | XYZ |
| I've got no interest in point scoring.... on 15:33 - Jun 17 by Bloots |
...and for clarity I certainly didn't compare San Marino to the UK, you brought them up.
This conversation started purely from a point of view of whether we should look at the current figures in isolation or the longer term figures, and whether higher numbers of tests should be taken into account.
The conversation has been totally sensible and well mannered.
On thing is clear and that is that different reporting processes and different testing regimes are just two of the reasons that it is difficult to compare countries, that has been the case from the outset.
Your agenda is obviously to paint as bad a picture from the figures as you can.
I'm not really one for selective thoughts. |
You pressed a simple list of total deaths which placed San Marino above the UK. You implied some meaning to the UK being 19th on the list. My mentioning San Marino gives context to whatever point you were trying to make.
I agree that reported numbers on testing/ total cases is difficult to take at face value and debateable (sp?) to use in comparisons - hence my comment about deaths, although even there one doubts each country is reporting the same things.
If my "agenda" is to "paint a bad picture" - my only comment has been to question your reliance on published government testing figures and I haven't disagreed with the responses to that question - all my other comments are about your use and presentation of data, which you seem very sensitive about. | | | |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 15:57 - Jun 17 with 816 views | Cotty |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 13:47 - Jun 17 by Bloots |
....by extrapolating the positivity rate, I'm just saying that if other countries tested as much as we do then their number of cases would undoubtedly be far higher.
It could be argued that the testing regime used by others is only picking up symptomatic cases rather than ours which is picking up asymptomatic cases and therefore far higher numbers.
The whole premise of how this condition spreads is that it is in "waves" we have always got these waves before mainland Europe has, so citing data from this week when we are hitting a wave seems slightly opportunistic to me.
The weekly/daily data would have looked very different a month ago in comparison to other counties and it will look different again in a few weeks.
That's my point really, it's not a case of arguing just a different view. |
Maybe we should leave this to highly trained and experienced statisticians? Just sayin'. |  | | |
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| Boris has taken us back to the top of the table on 17:11 - Jun 17 with 767 views | brazil1982 |
The next time someone posts a graph showing we are well below the European average, or a graph showing we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, they won't be criticised? |  | | |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 17:27 - Jun 17 with 754 views | Kievthegreat |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 14:02 - Jun 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Lateral flow tests aren't included in the stats I believe, only PCB ones. At least that was the case unless it's changed recently. |
From the Gov.uk website, about 355k PCR tests were done yesterday there were 11,000 cases that would be a positivity of 4%. Total tests done was 1.1m which would give a positivity rate of 1%. Obviously I'm doing some back of a cigarette packet maths, but if somewhere is reporting positivity of around 1% they'd surely be including lateral flow tests which make up 2/3rds of all testing.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing |  | | |
| It was indeed a typo..... on 18:35 - Jun 17 with 728 views | m14_blue |
| It was indeed a typo..... on 15:04 - Jun 17 by Bloots |
....death rates and infection rates mixed up. Amended.
I'd be interested to know what you think me saying that you have "an agenda" is a "tell" of?
It's good to know that you have selected which countries that you are happy to compare us with.
Can we include Italy? Or do they eat too much pasta for your purposes? |
No such thing as too much pasta. | | | |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 18:37 - Jun 17 with 728 views | Lord_Lucan |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 15:57 - Jun 17 by Cotty |
Maybe we should leave this to highly trained and experienced statisticians? Just sayin'. |
You could have pretty much replied with the same post to almost anyone on TWTD for the past 18 months. |  |
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| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 19:11 - Jun 17 with 686 views | factual_blue |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 15:57 - Jun 17 by Cotty |
Maybe we should leave this to highly trained and experienced statisticians? Just sayin'. |
Since lockdown we have all become highly experienced statisticians and epidemiologists. |  |
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| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 22:31 - Jun 17 with 610 views | eireblue |
| I'm not suggesting that you work out the number of cases.... on 18:37 - Jun 17 by Lord_Lucan |
You could have pretty much replied with the same post to almost anyone on TWTD for the past 18 months. |
On average that could be true, but no need to be mean. |  | | |
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