| Ouch! 22:02 - Jun 29 with 2405 views | Scuzzer |
Not much doubt about that red surely. |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:02 - Jun 29 with 2073 views | Guthrum |
Grisly challenge. |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:03 - Jun 29 with 2064 views | Vic |
Amazed his leg didn’t snap in two. |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:03 - Jun 29 with 2059 views | Steve_M |
Nope. Still think this is going to penalties. |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 with 2031 views | Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:07 - Jun 29 with 2011 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |
Yeah, but which ball? |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:09 - Jun 29 with 1987 views | Dubtractor |
| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |
He had eyes on the ball, but it was reckless and out of control. You can't go in for challenges studs first and at knee height. |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:10 - Jun 29 with 1988 views | homer_123 |
| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |
Feet high...not in control....potential leg breaker. No brainer. |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:10 - Jun 29 with 1988 views | Churchman |
| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |
Studs up knee and above height, flying in? Dangerous play, see you later. In the good ole days, that would have been a friendly hello, but much as I mourn their passing, those days have gone.
A leg breaker red for me. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 22:15]
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| Ouch! on 22:12 - Jun 29 with 1964 views | EastTownBlue |
| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |
Playing the ball first disappeared from the laws many years ago. | | | |
| Ouch! on 22:14 - Jun 29 with 1946 views | Wacko |
| Ouch! on 22:10 - Jun 29 by Churchman |
Studs up knee and above height, flying in? Dangerous play, see you later. In the good ole days, that would have been a friendly hello, but much as I mourn their passing, those days have gone.
A leg breaker red for me. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 22:15]
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I get all your points and it looked very bad but it was more of a volley clearance rather than a sliding challenge so I disagree that he was out of control.
Ljungberg makes my exact point as I write | |
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| Ouch! on 22:15 - Jun 29 with 1943 views | bluestandard |
| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |
I was about to say something similar. Of course it looks horrendous, but the guy was going for the ball, and made full contact with the ball. By the time his leg followed through and made contact with the other guys leg, the ball was above his head. Surely a high tackle should be penalised when the ball is on the ground / in the control of the other player, not when the ball has bounced high and is there to be won. Appreciate that this might not be the majority view though. Terrible accident for me. | | | |
| Ouch! on 22:16 - Jun 29 with 1926 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ouch! on 22:10 - Jun 29 by Churchman |
Studs up knee and above height, flying in? Dangerous play, see you later. In the good ole days, that would have been a friendly hello, but much as I mourn their passing, those days have gone.
A leg breaker red for me. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 22:15]
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I kind of agree with both sides, because he didn't actually go in studs up, but he got to the ball very much first, played upwards through the ball to clear it, and then his leg naturally ended up in a studs first position. I honestly don't know what you can do in that situation, but these days I guess you would have to pull out. Bad luck all round. |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:17 - Jun 29 with 1914 views | Rocky |
| Ouch! on 22:10 - Jun 29 by Churchman |
Studs up knee and above height, flying in? Dangerous play, see you later. In the good ole days, that would have been a friendly hello, but much as I mourn their passing, those days have gone.
A leg breaker red for me. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 22:15]
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Not a leg breaker for me. He went for the ball and caught it on the full volley.
Very unlucky to get the red. |  | | |
| Ouch! on 22:18 - Jun 29 with 1900 views | trncbluearmy |
Went for the ball,no intent, not even a yellow |  | | |
| Ouch! on 22:18 - Jun 29 with 1901 views | bluestandard |
| Ouch! on 22:16 - Jun 29 by NthQldITFC |
I kind of agree with both sides, because he didn't actually go in studs up, but he got to the ball very much first, played upwards through the ball to clear it, and then his leg naturally ended up in a studs first position. I honestly don't know what you can do in that situation, but these days I guess you would have to pull out. Bad luck all round. |
I think if you’re going to judge a red card on consequences alone ie. ignore intent and context of the challenge etc, then yes this is a red card all day long. | | | |
| Ouch! on 22:20 - Jun 29 with 1884 views | Churchman |
| Ouch! on 22:14 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
I get all your points and it looked very bad but it was more of a volley clearance rather than a sliding challenge so I disagree that he was out of control.
Ljungberg makes my exact point as I write |
I get what you are saying especially with how things look in slow motion. But even playing rubbish local league football back in the days of mud and black and white, if somebody had come in studs up on anyone in my team like that, his card would have been marked for later. Not as bad as the old over the top or crunch from behind, but in my view, still not a good thing. | | | |
| Ouch! on 22:21 - Jun 29 with 1878 views | JakeITFC |
| Ouch! on 22:09 - Jun 29 by Dubtractor |
He had eyes on the ball, but it was reckless and out of control. You can't go in for challenges studs first and at knee height. |
IMO it’s not a challenge - he’s just kicked a bouncing ball. |  | | |
| Ouch! on 22:24 - Jun 29 with 1863 views | BonchosBicycle |
| Ouch! on 22:17 - Jun 29 by Rocky |
Not a leg breaker for me. He went for the ball and caught it on the full volley.
Very unlucky to get the red. |
Looks like the Ukrainian should have just gone off. Studs hit the guy in the chest. |  | | |
| Ouch! on 22:25 - Jun 29 with 1850 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ouch! on 22:18 - Jun 29 by bluestandard |
I think if you’re going to judge a red card on consequences alone ie. ignore intent and context of the challenge etc, then yes this is a red card all day long. |
As horrific as it looked in real time, I think you'd have to take context into account and call that an unfortunate accident, especially given VAR allows the ref time to consider the context. | |
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| Ouch! on 22:28 - Jun 29 with 1834 views | Wacko |
| Ouch! on 22:21 - Jun 29 by JakeITFC |
IMO it’s not a challenge - he’s just kicked a bouncing ball. |
Yes because the Ukrainian wasn't in control of the ball, he was just chasing it. There could easily have been a Swede in his place instead | |
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| Ouch! on 22:32 - Jun 29 with 1816 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ouch! on 22:28 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
Yes because the Ukrainian wasn't in control of the ball, he was just chasing it. There could easily have been a Swede in his place instead |
Watching online and a bit delayed but at 28:28 in extra time there was a challenge on the edge of the box where a Ukrainian kicked through the ball and a Swedish defender's momentum carried him on to the Ukrainian's studs in exactly the same way. No weight in it so not mentioned in commentary, but exactly the same situation, bar the consequences and severity. | |
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| Ouch! on 22:37 - Jun 29 with 1775 views | ZXBlue |
| Ouch! on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Wacko |
He clearly played the ball, eyes fixed on the ball, don't know how he could've done anything differently to win that challenge. It's not like he could predict where that guy's knee was. Total accident for me |
Agreed. The other player ran into his foot. | | | |
| Ouch! on 22:38 - Jun 29 with 1769 views | Wacko |
| Ouch! on 22:32 - Jun 29 by NthQldITFC |
Watching online and a bit delayed but at 28:28 in extra time there was a challenge on the edge of the box where a Ukrainian kicked through the ball and a Swedish defender's momentum carried him on to the Ukrainian's studs in exactly the same way. No weight in it so not mentioned in commentary, but exactly the same situation, bar the consequences and severity. |
Haha I was about to say the same | |
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| Ouch! on 22:40 - Jun 29 with 1756 views | Darth_Koont |
Really shyte rule. Clearly stretching for the ball and the opposition player ran into him.
Is a clash of heads in an aerial challenge a head butt now? If not, why not? |  |
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| Ouch! on 22:46 - Jun 29 with 1738 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ouch! on 22:40 - Jun 29 by Darth_Koont |
Really shyte rule. Clearly stretching for the ball and the opposition player ran into him.
Is a clash of heads in an aerial challenge a head butt now? If not, why not? |
Indeed, how did it differ from the incident in the England game where Saka got caught by a German player's follow through? Wouldn't even have been a foul a little while ago. |  | | |
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