| Celina - minority view 18:10 - Jul 3 with 4979 views | itfc_bucks |
I appear to be in the minority, potentially a minority of one, but I'm not too excited by the potential return of Celina.
Good but not "set the world alight" good.
Presumably, he won't be cheap either... |  | | |  |
| Celina - minority view on 09:59 - Jul 4 with 1772 views | ElderGrizzly |
I think we could spend the budget that would be taken up by Celina much more wisely in L1 |  | | |
| Celina - minority view on 10:07 - Jul 4 with 1757 views | StokieBlue |
| Celina - minority view on 09:52 - Jul 4 by TomTheWriter |
Guess I have to drop the evidence down now then.
Celina cost Dijon £2.7million from Swansea City. He is on £20,000 a week, currently their second or third highest earner. You can check that at salarysport.com. He has three years left on his deal with Dijon, ball is in their park. He got the same amount of assists last season (6) as Neymar. Bersant Celina will be one of the best players in Ligue 2 next season, and you think Dijon are willingly going to lose a lot of money on a player good enough for Ligue 1? To a League One side?
Do you also think Celina is going to drop his wages to a League One level, which might I add is around the 5-6k mark? This will either be the greatest deal Mark Ashton ever performs, convincing Celina to go from being a good Ligue 1 player, to coming down to League One, dropping his wages by £10k, or it will be the sensible option of trying to loan him in for a season, like Keanan Bennetts. |
None of that is evidence, it's all supposition at best. No website is going to know that his salary is with that accuracy, why would the player or club make that information available. I'm sure everyone is aware of his quality that you've highlighted but given this quality is strange you're so down on the transfer.
I'm aware of the fee they paid and the contract, however as others have pointed out, French football and Dijon specifically aren't really in the best position to demand any equivalence to what they paid.
Context is everything.
The context we have here is that the club feel we can get him on a perm and thus they will know the finances far better than you or I and perhaps forensic analysis of second hand resources like you've done in your post should take a secondary role to the actions of the club?
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| Celina - minority view on 10:12 - Jul 4 with 1742 views | Leaky |
| Celina - minority view on 19:03 - Jul 3 by SomethingBlue |
He would be the best player in the league by a street. |
I think people were saying the same about Judge when we got relegated |  | | |
| Celina - minority view on 10:16 - Jul 4 with 1728 views | bluejacko |
| Celina - minority view on 09:59 - Jul 4 by ElderGrizzly |
I think we could spend the budget that would be taken up by Celina much more wisely in L1 |
Perhaps we should rely on the people who ‘know’ what the budget etc is! | | | |
| Celina - minority view on 11:20 - Jul 4 with 1660 views | SomethingBlue |
| Celina - minority view on 10:12 - Jul 4 by Leaky |
I think people were saying the same about Judge when we got relegated |
They were, yes, but I don't understand how that's relevant. | |
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| Celina - minority view on 11:34 - Jul 4 with 1632 views | Leaky |
| Celina - minority view on 11:20 - Jul 4 by SomethingBlue |
They were, yes, but I don't understand how that's relevant. |
The point I was making we don't know how he would perform at league 1 level would he be kicked all over the park, would he play at the intensity expected from a Paul Cook team. However agree he could be a top signing at this level. | | | |
| Celina - minority view on 11:49 - Jul 4 with 1606 views | NorfolkBlue1 |
| Celina - minority view on 09:52 - Jul 4 by TomTheWriter |
Guess I have to drop the evidence down now then.
Celina cost Dijon £2.7million from Swansea City. He is on £20,000 a week, currently their second or third highest earner. You can check that at salarysport.com. He has three years left on his deal with Dijon, ball is in their park. He got the same amount of assists last season (6) as Neymar. Bersant Celina will be one of the best players in Ligue 2 next season, and you think Dijon are willingly going to lose a lot of money on a player good enough for Ligue 1? To a League One side?
Do you also think Celina is going to drop his wages to a League One level, which might I add is around the 5-6k mark? This will either be the greatest deal Mark Ashton ever performs, convincing Celina to go from being a good Ligue 1 player, to coming down to League One, dropping his wages by £10k, or it will be the sensible option of trying to loan him in for a season, like Keanan Bennetts. |
We offered sonny bradley 13k per week | | | |
| Celina - minority view on 13:05 - Jul 4 with 1553 views | marcus1642 |
Would be excellent acquisition at our level. Simply pie in the sky, no chance of this happening. |  | | |
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| Celina - minority view on 13:13 - Jul 4 with 1532 views | SomethingBlue |
| Celina - minority view on 13:05 - Jul 4 by marcus1642 |
Would be excellent acquisition at our level. Simply pie in the sky, no chance of this happening. |
There is a fairly good chance. | |
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| Celina - minority view on 13:32 - Jul 4 with 1498 views | Tampa_Florida_Blue |
| Celina - minority view on 19:03 - Jul 3 by SomethingBlue |
He would be the best player in the league by a street. |
I think you may of hit my concern here. Yes he is a good player, but I remember him as the person who wanted to win everything, by himself. Not a team player, but someone who plays for himself. |  | | |
| Celina - minority view on 13:45 - Jul 4 with 1472 views | jayessess |
| Celina - minority view on 13:32 - Jul 4 by Tampa_Florida_Blue |
I think you may of hit my concern here. Yes he is a good player, but I remember him as the person who wanted to win everything, by himself. Not a team player, but someone who plays for himself. |
He was 21 and had 28 senior appearances when we signed him in 2017. He's had 3 years and nearly 150 games to develop since then. |  |
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| Celina - minority view on 13:57 - Jul 4 with 1459 views | chrismakin |
| Celina - minority view on 13:13 - Jul 4 by SomethingBlue |
There is a fairly good chance. |
I think the fact talks are still ongoing shows it hasnt been a simple no thanks from Celina. |  |
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| Celina - minority view on 13:59 - Jul 4 with 1456 views | SomethingBlue |
| Celina - minority view on 13:57 - Jul 4 by chrismakin |
I think the fact talks are still ongoing shows it hasnt been a simple no thanks from Celina. |
Correct. | |
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| Celina - minority view on 10:05 - Jul 5 with 1287 views | tractorboy1978 |
If Ashton, Cook and the owners aren't bothered by how much he would cost, I am not sure why you as a fan would be. Surely you pay your money and want to see the best possible players, best possible football and best possible performance? | | | |
| Celina - minority view on 10:16 - Jul 5 with 1262 views | bluejacko |
| Celina - minority view on 13:32 - Jul 4 by Tampa_Florida_Blue |
I think you may of hit my concern here. Yes he is a good player, but I remember him as the person who wanted to win everything, by himself. Not a team player, but someone who plays for himself. |
I would be fairly sure any player coming in will be told exactly what Cook will expect and want from them! | | | |
| Celina - minority view on 10:33 - Jul 5 with 1233 views | itfcjoe |
He'd be an incredible signing in this division - far too good for it and even without him previously being here his record speaks for itself.
It will be a very tough deal to do, but we can't worry too much about the financials of it all - if it can be made to work then absolutely fantastic.
There was this talk about building a squad for the Championship and not League 1, that is incredibly difficult to do but we seem to be giving it a good go! |  |
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| Celina - minority view on 10:42 - Jul 5 with 1189 views | BiGDonnie |
| Celina - minority view on 09:31 - Jul 4 by TomTheWriter |
As much as we might all like what Celina has, you’re asking Brett&Co to spend at least £2million + £15,000 a week on wages for someone who has never played in League One. That would be a huge, criminal mistake from the three lions. If they want a winger permanently, go get Sullay Kaikai after his release from Blackpool. 6 goals and 7 assists last season, 25 y/o, and would probably be on about 3k-4K in wage. Celina, only interest for me is a loan deal. |
Mwad!
Glad you ain't the gaffer, son! |  |
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| Celina - minority view on 10:53 - Jul 5 with 1156 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Celina - minority view on 09:31 - Jul 4 by TomTheWriter |
As much as we might all like what Celina has, you’re asking Brett&Co to spend at least £2million + £15,000 a week on wages for someone who has never played in League One. That would be a huge, criminal mistake from the three lions. If they want a winger permanently, go get Sullay Kaikai after his release from Blackpool. 6 goals and 7 assists last season, 25 y/o, and would probably be on about 3k-4K in wage. Celina, only interest for me is a loan deal. |
Absolute guesswork. And never played in L1? Probably because he is far too good for it.
Again, as above, not quite sure why you are bothered about the cost if the owners, CEO and manager are not! [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 10:55]
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