| Far more enjoyable football 22:49 - Aug 14 with 4869 views | kizaitfc |
To an extent I don't care about the results as long as we get that entertainment factor back and for me that is what we have.
Of course we need to start winning but the fact the football is enjoyable to watch and we have an attacking side is great, people need to stop thinking we have a divine right to be top of the league. |  |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 08:42 - Aug 15 with 1180 views | bluestandard |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:03 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
yeah, I do get that. and just as those who want to be ultra positive have a right to, those that want to be worried have the right to...… just seems very few middle grounders at this club these days.
its either hms piss the league, or cook out..... guess that's social media for ya.
no idea how Burley would have been viewed in this day and age. |
Here is a theory:-
‘Back in the day’, supporting your club was about more than the players on the pitch. It was supporting your community as a whole. The need to be entertained and to win was secondary to simply getting behind your local team. Unconditional. Nowadays, and with the vast sums of money involved, there is more of a conditionality to club support ie. if my team play s£&te or don’t get results, I’m not going to spend my time and money. Together with a complete scaling back of community engagement (at many clubs not just ours under ME), the result is that fans are more impatient and fickle because they feel less connected to the club. When I see the positivity on here I get the sense that there is a portion of the fan base trying to ‘keep everyone together’ knowing that we’ll only be successful if negativity around the club is kept to a minimum. Recent opponents like Morecambe/Newport/Burton don’t have this issue so much. They are small community based clubs that have already been on a long journey together. That’s why they are punching above their weight.
I can see that the team aren’t playing to their potential, and that we can’t expect to get promoted on current form. I choose however to remain positive, support the club, and believe that the current run won’t last. Does that make me a middle grounder? | | | |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:43 - Aug 15 with 1170 views | Herbivore |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:41 - Aug 15 by pointofblue |
Which was odd as I seem to remember Millwall needed to win in order to avoid relegation. In the end a draw didn’t help out either side and Millwall fans smashed up the visiting enclosure. |
Millwall were outside the bottom 3 and were banking on their rivals, I think it was Pompey from memory, not winning a tough away game that they weren't expected to win. They thought a draw would be enough, but other results went against them. Served them right, the absolute weapons. They stitched us both up and then smashed up the ground. |  |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 08:45 - Aug 15 with 1167 views | TrumptonBlue |
Yes, 94/95 was such a shambles that to be in play-off contention the following season was better than expected. And the team was exciting to watch, so there were plenty of positives. Remember the financial gap between the Premier League and the rest was nowhere near as significant as it is now, so bouncing straight back wasn't necessarily the expectation as it is now.
The calls for Burley to "sort it out" were exactly that - we wanted him to get it right, not someone else. I don't recall any calls for him to go at any time. Of course, he had credit in the bank because of who he is, but there was a belief that we were making progress season on season and people were happy with that. |  | | |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:45 - Aug 15 with 1165 views | Herbivore |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:42 - Aug 15 by bluestandard |
Here is a theory:-
‘Back in the day’, supporting your club was about more than the players on the pitch. It was supporting your community as a whole. The need to be entertained and to win was secondary to simply getting behind your local team. Unconditional. Nowadays, and with the vast sums of money involved, there is more of a conditionality to club support ie. if my team play s£&te or don’t get results, I’m not going to spend my time and money. Together with a complete scaling back of community engagement (at many clubs not just ours under ME), the result is that fans are more impatient and fickle because they feel less connected to the club. When I see the positivity on here I get the sense that there is a portion of the fan base trying to ‘keep everyone together’ knowing that we’ll only be successful if negativity around the club is kept to a minimum. Recent opponents like Morecambe/Newport/Burton don’t have this issue so much. They are small community based clubs that have already been on a long journey together. That’s why they are punching above their weight.
I can see that the team aren’t playing to their potential, and that we can’t expect to get promoted on current form. I choose however to remain positive, support the club, and believe that the current run won’t last. Does that make me a middle grounder? |
Your school of thought doesn't necessarily sit well with how our attendances dropped to 12k or so when we got relegated from the Prem in the 90s. The support didn't look very unconditional back then I have to say. | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 08:51 - Aug 15 with 1141 views | textbackup |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:45 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
Your school of thought doesn't necessarily sit well with how our attendances dropped to 12k or so when we got relegated from the Prem in the 90s. The support didn't look very unconditional back then I have to say. |
well, apart form the 12k still turning up. that was unconditional, same as the 8/9k at the end of MM's days |  |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 08:52 - Aug 15 with 1138 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Far more enjoyable football on 07:26 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
cor yeah, how I long for 5/6 0-0's in a row. great days them. |
Most 0-0 draws in a season under McCarthy - 6
Number of 0-0 draws in 16 games under Paul Cook last season - 6 |  |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 08:58 - Aug 15 with 1105 views | Herbivore |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:51 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
well, apart form the 12k still turning up. that was unconditional, same as the 8/9k at the end of MM's days |
Lolz. Oh dear. | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 09:02 - Aug 15 with 1096 views | TrumptonBlue |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:45 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
Your school of thought doesn't necessarily sit well with how our attendances dropped to 12k or so when we got relegated from the Prem in the 90s. The support didn't look very unconditional back then I have to say. |
Attendances just returned to their pre-promotion levels of the late 80s. We just lost the Premier League boost, really. | | | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 09:09 - Aug 15 with 1072 views | Herbivore |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:02 - Aug 15 by TrumptonBlue |
Attendances just returned to their pre-promotion levels of the late 80s. We just lost the Premier League boost, really. |
Indeed but look at how the late 80s attendances compared to the early 80s when we were successful. And we average more now in the third tier than we did pre and post promotion to the Prem in the 90s, in fact we averaged more in the third tier in 2019/20 than we did in our promotion season under Burley, so the idea that fans back in the day were somehow better and more hardy doesn't really stack up. Football fans have always been fickle. I'd say Town fans are, for the most part, a pretty patient bunch. [Post edited 15 Aug 2021 9:13]
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| Far more enjoyable football on 09:34 - Aug 15 with 1017 views | TrumptonBlue |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:09 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
Indeed but look at how the late 80s attendances compared to the early 80s when we were successful. And we average more now in the third tier than we did pre and post promotion to the Prem in the 90s, in fact we averaged more in the third tier in 2019/20 than we did in our promotion season under Burley, so the idea that fans back in the day were somehow better and more hardy doesn't really stack up. Football fans have always been fickle. I'd say Town fans are, for the most part, a pretty patient bunch. [Post edited 15 Aug 2021 9:13]
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I don't disagree but when looking at attendances in the 80s and 90s, you have to consider the mitigating factors. With hooliganism, ramshackle grounds and a general attitude of contempt towards fans, going to football wasn't particularly pleasant and crowds were low across the board. Average attendances across the four divisions in 1990 were about 9000, in 2020 it was 16000. | | | |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:43 - Aug 15 with 997 views | solomon |
| Far more enjoyable football on 07:34 - Aug 15 by itfcjoe |
Results are the entertainment, especially at this level.
There’s very little entertaining in dropping points, there will of course be the odd game where you walk away thinking how on Earth have we not won that - but that hasn’t been the case in either league game.
There needs to be an end to this celebrating of mediocrity |
Agree totally, although now is not the time to panic I do worry there’s a proportion of the fan base who will accept mediocrity because that’s all they’ve known, I’m pretty hopeful we now have owners who will not. |  | | |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:44 - Aug 15 with 995 views | timothyeo |
| Far more enjoyable football on 07:26 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
cor yeah, how I long for 5/6 0-0's in a row. great days them. |
Micks Cardiff won 2-0 yesterday. Highlights along with the result suggest it was much more entertaining than anything we've seen under Cook so far. | | | |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:46 - Aug 15 with 983 views | textbackup |
| Far more enjoyable football on 08:58 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
Lolz. Oh dear. |
"lolz" indeed.... so its only unconditional if there are 20k?
what are those 8-12k regarded as if its not unconditional support? | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 09:47 - Aug 15 with 979 views | textbackup |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:44 - Aug 15 by timothyeo |
Micks Cardiff won 2-0 yesterday. Highlights along with the result suggest it was much more entertaining than anything we've seen under Cook so far. |
good man, best you drive over and go watch then | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:07 - Aug 15 with 953 views | Keaneish |
| Far more enjoyable football on 07:10 - Aug 15 by HighgateBlue |
I'd kill to be back in the McCarthy era right now. It's been a very marked decline since. |
I had wondered why when reading your posts I disliked them all and agreed with nothing about them. Given we’re in an exciting new era for the club, it beggars belief that anyone can look back at the last 20 years with any fondness. |  |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:12 - Aug 15 with 945 views | timothyeo |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:47 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
good man, best you drive over and go watch then |
Unfortunately I dont support Cardiff. So since our fans forced Mccarthy out I've had to put up with this steaming pile of dump since. So thanks. | | | |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:20 - Aug 15 with 929 views | textbackup |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:12 - Aug 15 by timothyeo |
Unfortunately I dont support Cardiff. So since our fans forced Mccarthy out I've had to put up with this steaming pile of dump since. So thanks. |
forced lol | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:21 - Aug 15 with 927 views | mrshallisfit |
| Far more enjoyable football on 02:47 - Aug 15 by Minneapolis_ITFC |
As with most of the sporting industry, this is a results business. We could play like Milan 1989 week in week out but where will it get you if you can't do the simple thing in that scoring more than your opponent in order to win a game.
i've heard and viewed we've played enterprising "football" since first game but where's the sum total for it. Under previous managers particularly McCarthy we seemed a soft touch, lacking agression and fire in the belly. Far from advocating Cook should tell the players to kick opponents from the field but there's something clearly lacking out there.
People have suggested the problem lies with training routines. I don't get to see what goes on there but whatever staff we got to undertake duties, perhaps they should try a different approach. Maybe the greater problem lies away from match days rather than on them. |
We were a soft touch under MM? Really? | | | |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:23 - Aug 15 with 924 views | Herbivore |
| Far more enjoyable football on 09:46 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
"lolz" indeed.... so its only unconditional if there are 20k?
what are those 8-12k regarded as if its not unconditional support? |
Two posts on this thread about Mick, that's what I was lolling at. He left over 3 years ago, time to get over it I'd say. | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:31 - Aug 15 with 915 views | textbackup |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:23 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
Two posts on this thread about Mick, that's what I was lolling at. He left over 3 years ago, time to get over it I'd say. |
ah you should have replied to one of those, so I knew....
It was just me saying the 0-0s were dull, nothing more nothing less..... then it got pointed out to me PC achieved as many. so took that on board.
nothing to get over is there? I recognise he punched above his weight, and have often said on here that i do think I was too harsh on him given the hand he was dealt at times. you know, like an adult. | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:34 - Aug 15 with 913 views | pointofblue |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:07 - Aug 15 by Keaneish |
I had wondered why when reading your posts I disliked them all and agreed with nothing about them. Given we’re in an exciting new era for the club, it beggars belief that anyone can look back at the last 20 years with any fondness. |
Other than bursts of individual brilliance and some signs of build up play over the past three games there has been nothing on the pitch to suggest this is an exciting new era - it’s more of the same. Off the pitch definitely but on it? At the moment the McCarthy era is miles ahead. | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:36 - Aug 15 with 912 views | Herbivore |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:31 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
ah you should have replied to one of those, so I knew....
It was just me saying the 0-0s were dull, nothing more nothing less..... then it got pointed out to me PC achieved as many. so took that on board.
nothing to get over is there? I recognise he punched above his weight, and have often said on here that i do think I was too harsh on him given the hand he was dealt at times. you know, like an adult. |
I did reply to another of your posts about Mick with my "Lolz" comment, mate. Glad you've reflected on his time here and can see what he achieved. | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:40 - Aug 15 with 909 views | textbackup |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:36 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
I did reply to another of your posts about Mick with my "Lolz" comment, mate. Glad you've reflected on his time here and can see what he achieved. |
ah you see theres the confusion, all I wrote in that particular post was "8k/9k under MM" that wasn't a MM dig, it was purely attendance figures I thought we were discussing. no worries if you took it the wrong way.
yep, reflection took place a rather long time back, so not a new thing | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:43 - Aug 15 with 906 views | Herbivore |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:40 - Aug 15 by textbackup |
ah you see theres the confusion, all I wrote in that particular post was "8k/9k under MM" that wasn't a MM dig, it was purely attendance figures I thought we were discussing. no worries if you took it the wrong way.
yep, reflection took place a rather long time back, so not a new thing |
It seemed like a dig because attendances were never that low under Mick, I'm guessing you're using an estimate rather than official figures which is what I was going with. | |
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| Far more enjoyable football on 10:46 - Aug 15 with 901 views | textbackup |
| Far more enjoyable football on 10:43 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
It seemed like a dig because attendances were never that low under Mick, I'm guessing you're using an estimate rather than official figures which is what I was going with. |
im going based on what I saw around me week on week. you can use official figures, but was discussed in length at the time, that ST holders were counted regardless of being there or not.
however, it matters not really. | |
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