| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... 21:57 - Aug 21 with 5380 views | SitfcB |
...and said this season was the start of new beginnings etc.
But now a lot of people are chucking out the ‘Cook has only won 4 in 20’ or whatever stat.
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:35 - Aug 22 with 1562 views | CopfordBlue |
I didn’t but as the season was dead when he came in it didn’t matter that much. I was surprised he couldn’t get any more out of them than Lambert did because that’s what decent managers usually do - get the most out of the resources they have. |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:40 - Aug 22 with 1555 views | pointofblue |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:28 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
I did indeed, and until we win a game, he has no interest to post other than to judge PC and share his thoughts on that and only that, rather than discuss the positives that are clearly there to see.
Each to their own, if you wish to entertain it, go for it. but i've no interest in those who have no interest in discussion the actual football on a football forum. |
And yet you’re trying to control the discussion by saying we’re not allowed to discuss the actual football from last season?
Did I expect Cook to do better last season? Yes - in fairness, I think he expected more out of it himself
Do I think he could have conducted himself better in press conferences last season? Yes - every time I see him saying he’ll never throw his players under a bus I roll my eyes. At least be honest.
Am I disappointed with the start this season? Yes
Do I think he’s made tactical errors this season? Yes, and you agree with me because we’ve even had a discussion about the Fraser situation. However, I do think he made the right move with Carroll yesterday and it might have worked had it not been for Evans’ error. But he is human and no manager gets it right all the time.
Does he deserve time? Of course. But whether we are winning every game or not, the time where we can take stock of where we are is getting closer
I’m hopeful that he’ll be able to turn it around; the signs of promise are there. After yesterday’s game I think my posts focused on the weakness of centre midfield - I know you say that’s because we were playing MK Dons but we do not overhaul the whole squad just to suffer from the same issues as before - and who else we should bring in before August 31st. But two points from four games is hardly the return we desired or probably expected, just like the last season’s run in. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:50 - Aug 22 with 1543 views | timothyeo |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 09:09 - Aug 22 by Churchman |
We shall agree to differ. Once again I read that cliche ‘get a tune out of that squad’. That was more a mob than a squad. 40+ unfit players milling about, some too old, some disinterested, some not very good. In my opinion, nobody would have got anything much out of them. |
Lambert and Gill both did get more out of them | | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:52 - Aug 22 with 1529 views | chrismakin |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:40 - Aug 22 by pointofblue |
And yet you’re trying to control the discussion by saying we’re not allowed to discuss the actual football from last season?
Did I expect Cook to do better last season? Yes - in fairness, I think he expected more out of it himself
Do I think he could have conducted himself better in press conferences last season? Yes - every time I see him saying he’ll never throw his players under a bus I roll my eyes. At least be honest.
Am I disappointed with the start this season? Yes
Do I think he’s made tactical errors this season? Yes, and you agree with me because we’ve even had a discussion about the Fraser situation. However, I do think he made the right move with Carroll yesterday and it might have worked had it not been for Evans’ error. But he is human and no manager gets it right all the time.
Does he deserve time? Of course. But whether we are winning every game or not, the time where we can take stock of where we are is getting closer
I’m hopeful that he’ll be able to turn it around; the signs of promise are there. After yesterday’s game I think my posts focused on the weakness of centre midfield - I know you say that’s because we were playing MK Dons but we do not overhaul the whole squad just to suffer from the same issues as before - and who else we should bring in before August 31st. But two points from four games is hardly the return we desired or probably expected, just like the last season’s run in. |
I see your point, but im referring to discussions about the actual football, there was lots to take from yesturday and lots that could be discussed. A fellow poster has even pointed out the assists have barely been spoken about, depite both being of quality.
This is what's been bugging me, a large majority are just so set on talking about last year, PC, or even now and it's back again to PC and the past rather than being open to discussions about the actuall football being played.
Everyone knows 0 wins isn't a good start, no matter what side of the fence you sit on, but there's been a lot of really positive football that's being ignored and not even discussed and when people create posts to discuss it, the same people jump on it to refer back to the past and turn that thread into a managerial piece again.
How good was Edwards again.. barely discussed
How solid was Burgess - barely discussed
you see what I mean? |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 11:14 - Aug 22 with 1525 views | pointofblue |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:52 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
I see your point, but im referring to discussions about the actual football, there was lots to take from yesturday and lots that could be discussed. A fellow poster has even pointed out the assists have barely been spoken about, depite both being of quality.
This is what's been bugging me, a large majority are just so set on talking about last year, PC, or even now and it's back again to PC and the past rather than being open to discussions about the actuall football being played.
Everyone knows 0 wins isn't a good start, no matter what side of the fence you sit on, but there's been a lot of really positive football that's being ignored and not even discussed and when people create posts to discuss it, the same people jump on it to refer back to the past and turn that thread into a managerial piece again.
How good was Edwards again.. barely discussed
How solid was Burgess - barely discussed
you see what I mean? |
But it’s so much easier to review the negatives than the positives.
Edwards had a great game. Where do you go from there as a discussion, exactly? He did, I doubt anyone would disagree, what more is to be said? Once he’s on the same wavelength at the remainder of our strike force we could become difficult to stop.
Burgess looked solid at the back, I agree. Again, what more can be said? He was, he did a job, he has helped Woolfenden look more settled too. Great, but it’s not a discussion point where most agree.
Do we need to bring in a defensive midfielder or did Harper and particularly Evans just have an off day? Is KVY capable of learning Cook’s requirements at right back or do we need to think about someone else doing that role? Why do we keep making individual mistakes? Everyone has their own opinion which generates discussion. And that is before the dominating one of Cook’s performance at the club so far which I reckon even he will be disappointed with. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 13:07 - Aug 22 with 1475 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:48 - Aug 22 by Churchman |
This is spot on. The problem is that Cook has been disliked by many right from the off for some reason. Some are more than happy to stick to the narrative best squad in the league squandered by Cook, our leader and hero treated disgracefully by Cook, Evans our saviour/thank you Marcus, etc etc. People are even bleating on about McCarthy four years down the line as if that has any relevance.
New owners means a new start for all that are here. If people genuinely think now is the time to judge, perhaps there should be demonstrations to try and force out the new owners too. By the logic of it, it was better under Evans, Gill had taken us on a brilliant run to the play offs, and we’ve done nothing under thew owners. Under them we have a zero win percentage rate this year and a poor one last. Ashton? He’s brought in these players and he should go too. Booooo! Drive them out! Get back saviours Marcus and Chambo!
It’s all nonsense of course. The football club is essentially new, lumbered with tatty old facilities, courtesy of Evans’ neglect. We’ve been garbage from top to bottom for years, despite Gill’s history making run of three games (one against ten men). It needs to be built, not torn apart.
It would be good to leave Cook alone, as Lyall was in 1990/91, for the whole season to build a team. In 2021 that isn’t going to happen. However, at the very least we should see where we are in a few months time. But we live in an age of now now now, so I doubt that will happen.
I was not surprised last seasons heroes downed tools. It wasn’t the first time. I’m very disappointed with how we’ve started this season though. We should be better than this, but we are where we are. It’s no good pointing at other clubs in either direction. They are not us. We will improve. There are one or two decent players here and plenty of experience around - they’ll work it out if people let them. While my short term optimism has been punctured, long term it has not, with or without Cook. |
This is where I am, 100%. Doesn't mean I think Cook is the answer, just that it's too early to tell.
The job, now, it a totally different one to the one he inherited initially. If people are going to cite last season as evidence of Cook's abilities, or lack of them, then they might as well cite other jobs he's done in recent times. It's all relevant. |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 16:35 - Aug 22 with 1394 views | Oldboy |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:52 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
I see your point, but im referring to discussions about the actual football, there was lots to take from yesturday and lots that could be discussed. A fellow poster has even pointed out the assists have barely been spoken about, depite both being of quality.
This is what's been bugging me, a large majority are just so set on talking about last year, PC, or even now and it's back again to PC and the past rather than being open to discussions about the actuall football being played.
Everyone knows 0 wins isn't a good start, no matter what side of the fence you sit on, but there's been a lot of really positive football that's being ignored and not even discussed and when people create posts to discuss it, the same people jump on it to refer back to the past and turn that thread into a managerial piece again.
How good was Edwards again.. barely discussed
How solid was Burgess - barely discussed
you see what I mean? |
May I take a moment to explain how this forum works.
Somebody has something they wish to discuss.They will start a new thread with a title. It is important that you read that title.
People are free to answer and take part if they wish.
They should stay on point during that thread.
If you wish to discuss something other than what the Op has posted, you should start a new one to discuss that.
Hopefully that will help you going forward. |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 16:45 - Aug 22 with 1377 views | Oldboy |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 09:53 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
what's difficult?
Can you discuss football?
No, I only concentrate on the result
right ok,
No need to read or entertain posts from someone who's only interest is a result. Can just read twitter for that. |
If you put a 5 year old in a square room with only one door and asked them to paint the floor, chances are that they would paint themselves into a corner and be unable to get out of the room until the floor had dried.
If you opened the door and pointed out that they started in the wrong place and should start again, most 5 year olds would be able to work it out within 4 attempts.
You would still be in the room when you are eligible for your pension. | | | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 16:53 - Aug 22 with 1361 views | pistonbroke |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:35 - Aug 22 by CopfordBlue |
I didn’t but as the season was dead when he came in it didn’t matter that much. I was surprised he couldn’t get any more out of them than Lambert did because that’s what decent managers usually do - get the most out of the resources they have. |
But the season was not dead , when he came in we were 1 point off the play offs 16-17 games to go and 90% of those games were against teams below us maybe more , now if cook had got us into them play offs like he should of done , the takeover would still of happened and we would still of needed a new squad , if he had got us in the play offs once again like he should of then the same people who are saying you should forget last season would be saying yeah but he got us in the play offs , the fact is he failed and this season has started no better , the fact is he has won 4 out of 21 , that is poor , hopefully things will improve but I can’t see the Americans giving a manager the time evens did | | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 17:15 - Aug 22 with 1325 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 09:32 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
Got you, plastic fan
'ignored' |
Bizarre and ridiculous |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 17:24 - Aug 22 with 1311 views | Oldboy |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 09:49 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
Interesting you're bringing in %, ive not, and I didn't say anything about the number of people, I said he started being disliked when......... which you've just confirmed.
I don't need to save face. If it goes tits up, it goes tits up. We move on and then hope again the next one gets it right.
Do i still believe he'll do well, yes. Do I feel to many people are overly negative about things, yes. |
You wanted to discuss football tactics in another thread.
You suggested that anybody who didn't understand was stupid.
When someone asked you to explain your answer, you couldn't.
I will happily discuss football with anyone who wishes to, except you.
You seem incapable of backing up your claims. When challenged you claim to have already explained in another thread and that we are stupid.
If you can find somebody on here with the same mentality as you, then discuss football tactics with them.
Just to save you time, you won't find anyone. | | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 20:40 - Aug 22 with 1243 views | LeoMuff |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 10:50 - Aug 22 by timothyeo |
Lambert and Gill both did get more out of them |
Maybe, but to get a proper robust promotion side out of them you needed to ruffle feathers big time. Cook did this and the reaction was to down tools, same as happened under Hurst, you only have to hear what people around the club post said post takeover to realise things were totally rotten.
The timing was unfortunate in that it marred Cooks honeymoon period, but for me last season doesn’t count as those players had no interest in playing for him, hence almost an entire new squad.
I doubt Cook wanted to have to buy in 15 plus new players but we were going nowhere with that squad.
I would give Cook this season in its entirety unless we seriously flirt with relegation, if things haven’t changed come October 22 then he has had his chance. |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 20:55 - Aug 22 with 1237 views | TheBoyBlue |
Cook came in to a bunch of players that he didn't select for whom the three wins before Lambert went probably not much more than an anomaly from a squad of players that had consistently failed for two seasons and largely coming to the end of their useful football lives. They weren't going to get any better as a collective and I would've been staggered if they had continued on their form to the end of the season on the basis of what they had previously shown, regardless of whether Paul Lambert, Paul Cook, Danny Cowley or Pep Guardiola had been in charge.
This is a team that has no previous history together and so can't be judged on a handful of games. Importantly, they are players that Cook wanted and who came here to play for Cook. Of course they may not get any better, but there is a chance they might, unlike last season's bunch. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 20:58 - Aug 22 with 1236 views | Bluearmy71 |
This is why stats imo are pointless, even more so with a completely bar 3 or 4 squad!!
For me every new season brings every stat down to zero as its what's achieved in the season you are in that matters, reflect on the good or bad points from previous seasons but to use stats from them to try and win a disagreement is a total joke! |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:16 - Aug 22 with 1223 views | istanblue |
I didn't. 'Fans' who give managers free passes are part of the problem with this club. It simply allows standards to drop and for failure and underachievement to become commonplace. EVERY manager, player, staff member etc. should be judged and held accountable from DAY 1. |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:22 - Aug 22 with 1216 views | timothyeo |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 13:07 - Aug 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is where I am, 100%. Doesn't mean I think Cook is the answer, just that it's too early to tell.
The job, now, it a totally different one to the one he inherited initially. If people are going to cite last season as evidence of Cook's abilities, or lack of them, then they might as well cite other jobs he's done in recent times. It's all relevant. |
I mean, everyone has cited Cook's history as part of the reason to still have faith in him. If we're only going off what he's done this season and ignoring everything else he's been an utter failure with little sign of improving.
Interesting you don't necessarily think Cook is the answer all of a sudden. | | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:35 - Aug 22 with 1200 views | chrismakin |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:22 - Aug 22 by timothyeo |
I mean, everyone has cited Cook's history as part of the reason to still have faith in him. If we're only going off what he's done this season and ignoring everything else he's been an utter failure with little sign of improving.
Interesting you don't necessarily think Cook is the answer all of a sudden. |
" if we're only going off what he's done this season and ignoring everything else he's been an utter failure with little sign of improving"
Little sign of improving despite improved performances since the opening game. And a failure after 4 games.
Shown true colours now. Another for the ignore list | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:39 - Aug 22 with 1202 views | Meadowlark |
Nobody erased anything, especially you and your wonderful memories of Mick.
(Apologies if I have misinterpreted your implications.)
(But I don't think I have)
(And you'd have him back in a heartbeat)
(I wouldn't) |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:51 - Aug 22 with 1189 views | timothyeo |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:35 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
" if we're only going off what he's done this season and ignoring everything else he's been an utter failure with little sign of improving"
Little sign of improving despite improved performances since the opening game. And a failure after 4 games.
Shown true colours now. Another for the ignore list |
Ignore anyone who doesn't agree with you. An example of someone who doesn't have a coherent argument to their armoury and the maturity of a 14 year old girl. | | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:27 - Aug 23 with 1122 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:22 - Aug 22 by timothyeo |
I mean, everyone has cited Cook's history as part of the reason to still have faith in him. If we're only going off what he's done this season and ignoring everything else he's been an utter failure with little sign of improving.
Interesting you don't necessarily think Cook is the answer all of a sudden. |
I've been saying time is needed before we judge for ages mate, keep up.
"this season... he's been an utter failure with little sign of improving."
4 games in and you make a comment like this. And you see little sign of the team improving? Do you actually watch games? | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 09:05 - Aug 23 with 1107 views | Seablu |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 16:53 - Aug 22 by pistonbroke |
But the season was not dead , when he came in we were 1 point off the play offs 16-17 games to go and 90% of those games were against teams below us maybe more , now if cook had got us into them play offs like he should of done , the takeover would still of happened and we would still of needed a new squad , if he had got us in the play offs once again like he should of then the same people who are saying you should forget last season would be saying yeah but he got us in the play offs , the fact is he failed and this season has started no better , the fact is he has won 4 out of 21 , that is poor , hopefully things will improve but I can’t see the Americans giving a manager the time evens did |
Should have.
Would still have.
Ffs |  | | |
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