| The significance of Lincoln away 09:35 - Aug 23 with 11925 views | Bluefish |
Lincoln away was were many numbskulls thought they'd invented a justification to sack Super Mick. We'd lost to a small team in a cup game on terrestrial TV so that meant the bloke that continued to over perform in the Championship had to go. Obviously it ignored the facts that we had lost to many small sides in cup competitions and that same side also defeated a Premier league team in the same run.
Lincoln away was then the final straw for PRP, he should have gone before but without a doubt he should have gone after that game.
The significance now? I gave Cookie for games to turn around his disastrous performance so far as Ipswich boss. If Wycombe is called off the 4th game is Lincoln away. He needs a minimum of 2 wins and a draw to stay longer and so far we have picked up 1 draw so 2 wins needed from 3 games......we shall see |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:20 - Aug 23 with 1672 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:18 - Aug 23 by WilbrahamBlue |
'......I'm giving him 3 more games to do so, if he fails then the season is virtually over anyway'
This is fab.
SEASON OVER. |
That tends to be how football works yes | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:24 - Aug 23 with 1660 views | WilbrahamBlue |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:17 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
If we aren't climbing by then the season is over. Top 2 on this league doesn't generally lose more than 6 games |
Could of sworn Hull/Peterborough lost 11 a piece last year and still went up. Even Rotherham year before lost 9...... |  | | |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:24 - Aug 23 with 1662 views | BLUEGOLD |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:18 - Aug 23 by WilbrahamBlue |
'......I'm giving him 3 more games to do so, if he fails then the season is virtually over anyway'
This is fab.
SEASON OVER. |
It’s pathetic really.
He should have until Christmas as by then he will have had time to work out his best team and we should be around the play offs by then, or showing good form and catching up if not.
If we are 5th bottom by then with no signs of improvement he will be gone I expect. | | | |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:25 - Aug 23 with 1646 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:24 - Aug 23 by WilbrahamBlue |
Could of sworn Hull/Peterborough lost 11 a piece last year and still went up. Even Rotherham year before lost 9...... |
Covid produced freak seasons. Let's pick it up again in May and count the defeats for the top 2 | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:26 - Aug 23 with 1633 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 10:57 - Aug 23 by Herbivore |
We've managed to surpass it plenty of times since to be fair. |
I'm sure we have - however that game really sticks in my memory. On TV, completely outplayed by a far lesser side, just so embarrassing |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:32 - Aug 23 with 1613 views | Guthrum |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:17 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
If we aren't climbing by then the season is over. Top 2 on this league doesn't generally lose more than 6 games |
In only one season out of the last eight (including even the truncated 2019-20) has the team in second place lost as few as 6 games (2017/18). The average number of losses for 2nd place finishers in that time is closer to 9 (8.875).
Moreover, we can still afford at least another couple of losses at this stage, especially if we can keep the number of draws down, without imperilling our chances of automatic promotion. A short run of wins in October or November will catch up quickly on those who have made faster starts.
All that having been said, we do need to start winning at least some games pretty soon. |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:33 - Aug 23 with 1605 views | Herbivore |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:26 - Aug 23 by JammyDodgerrr |
I'm sure we have - however that game really sticks in my memory. On TV, completely outplayed by a far lesser side, just so embarrassing |
Oh don't get me wrong, it was really poor. I think it speaks to how low we've sunk though that we've had plenty worse performances since and they barely even register. The number of games under Lambert where we barely (if at all) managed a shot on target was shocking, things weren't loads better last season after Cook came in either. Let's hope that's all a thing of the past now. |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:34 - Aug 23 with 1593 views | LankHenners |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:17 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
If we aren't climbing by then the season is over. Top 2 on this league doesn't generally lose more than 6 games |
I doubt that's true. If you went back over, say, 10 seasons of this league I'd be surprised if there were more top 2 teams that lost 6 or fewer games than those that lost more than 6. |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:35 - Aug 23 with 1585 views | WilbrahamBlue |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:32 - Aug 23 by Guthrum |
In only one season out of the last eight (including even the truncated 2019-20) has the team in second place lost as few as 6 games (2017/18). The average number of losses for 2nd place finishers in that time is closer to 9 (8.875).
Moreover, we can still afford at least another couple of losses at this stage, especially if we can keep the number of draws down, without imperilling our chances of automatic promotion. A short run of wins in October or November will catch up quickly on those who have made faster starts.
All that having been said, we do need to start winning at least some games pretty soon. |
Several examples of the second place promoted team losing 10/11 games in that timeframe as well. History shows you can literally lose something approaching a quarter of the games and still fight for 2nd place!
You would expect a new 11 to start turning draws in to wins and the way Cook sets teams up eventually you could argue we will either win or lose, rather than draw many...eventually. | | | |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:36 - Aug 23 with 1570 views | leitrimblue |
Hi there Blubs, if Cook fails to win 2 of the next 3 who would you like to replace him? |  | | |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:41 - Aug 23 with 1539 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 10:05 - Aug 23 by Stu_Magoo |
Are you starting this whole thing in preparation for an "I told you so" moment if PC makes a hash of it?
Tiresome. |
He started that ages ago...he plays the long game... |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:42 - Aug 23 with 1531 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:35 - Aug 23 by WilbrahamBlue |
Several examples of the second place promoted team losing 10/11 games in that timeframe as well. History shows you can literally lose something approaching a quarter of the games and still fight for 2nd place!
You would expect a new 11 to start turning draws in to wins and the way Cook sets teams up eventually you could argue we will either win or lose, rather than draw many...eventually. |
Can you give examples in non covid years? | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:44 - Aug 23 with 1522 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:36 - Aug 23 by leitrimblue |
Hi there Blubs, if Cook fails to win 2 of the next 3 who would you like to replace him? |
Preferably someone not called Paul and Preferably someone capable of producing a performance | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:45 - Aug 23 with 1512 views | Garv |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:17 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
If we aren't climbing by then the season is over. Top 2 on this league doesn't generally lose more than 6 games |
Good job the play offs exist then. |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:46 - Aug 23 with 1504 views | homer_123 |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:42 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
Can you give examples in non covid years? |
2016 - Wigan L7, 1st, Burton L11 2nd
2017 - Sheff Utd L6, 1st, Bolton L10 2nd
2012 - Donny L12 1st, Bournemouth L11 2nd
And that's a 2 min Google check |  |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:46 - Aug 23 with 1499 views | Guthrum |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:42 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
Can you give examples in non covid years? |
2016-17 Bolton came 2nd with 10 losses and 11 draws
2015-16 Burton came 2nd with 11 losses and 10 draws | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:48 - Aug 23 with 1489 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:44 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
Preferably someone not called Paul and Preferably someone capable of producing a performance |
Bill Bailey? | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:48 - Aug 23 with 1492 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:45 - Aug 23 by Garv |
Good job the play offs exist then. |
Play offs would be disappointing with our investment and below the standards expected of Cook by everyone at the club including Cook | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:49 - Aug 23 with 1481 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:48 - Aug 23 by Ewan_Oozami |
Bill Bailey? |
Never seen much of a performance from him but I expect he wouldn't have done much worse with the current squad, or last season's [Post edited 23 Aug 2021 11:50]
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:51 - Aug 23 with 1472 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:46 - Aug 23 by Guthrum |
2016-17 Bolton came 2nd with 10 losses and 11 draws
2015-16 Burton came 2nd with 11 losses and 10 draws |
Good news, we would still have a slim chance if we drastically improved | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:52 - Aug 23 with 1461 views | pstudd |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:16 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
Lol that is a rather large bite.
How has it ever been a schtick? I think my schtick by that reckoning is simply not going OTT on football managers the day they arrive and judging them by what happens on the pitch. Hardly unusual in the world of football.
For the record, I was quick to point out the obvious issues with keane while others made fools of themselves fawning. This wasnt a schtick it was simply judging what I saw on the pitch, much like you used to do
Jewell I was indifferent on a said whilst it was a big improvenent we should not go overboard
Mccarthy earned his respect. I was there in the early games like the Leicester 6-0 but you could see him signing players making a difference and you could see his team fighting. Judgement was reserved but quickly approval gained
Hurst I questioned that the performances were not that different and some of the signings not having an impact. He was a supposed messiah and I stuck with him but the wheels started to come off when he lost belief and ripped it all up for norwich at home. I personally felt he should have got longer but had no real affection for him yet because he hadn't earned it
PRP was a farce, we were clueless from the start, the style was laughable and the signings awful. The free pass was a disgrace, again he had to earn it and never did
Cook also has to earn it, he record last year was poor and this year so far is shocking. The strange position is to go all in in defence of him not to be saying he hasn't earned it here yet.
I am not sure if we are just tinpot or if football has become a joke but judging managers on performances should not be seen as something to get abuse from admins about. Managers have to earn their role and no one in their right mind thinks Cook has yet. I'm giving him 3 more games to do so, if he fails then the season is virtually over anyway |
So, if you are winless after four games, the season is over. It makes you wonder how much you know about football when, only last season, Blackpool were 23rd after the first 7 games having lost all but two. I imagine there were a few Tangerines baying for the manager's head then but they would go on to eat their stupidity later. You ought to know that every season, a team in each division, will start badly and go on to build momentum. It happens in sport. Not saying it will be us this year but your statement that a season will be over after 4 games is nonsense. |  | | |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:53 - Aug 23 with 1442 views | Bluefish |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:52 - Aug 23 by pstudd |
So, if you are winless after four games, the season is over. It makes you wonder how much you know about football when, only last season, Blackpool were 23rd after the first 7 games having lost all but two. I imagine there were a few Tangerines baying for the manager's head then but they would go on to eat their stupidity later. You ought to know that every season, a team in each division, will start badly and go on to build momentum. It happens in sport. Not saying it will be us this year but your statement that a season will be over after 4 games is nonsense. |
Do you struggle with reading or counting? | |
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:55 - Aug 23 with 1435 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:25 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
Covid produced freak seasons. Let's pick it up again in May and count the defeats for the top 2 |
I'll be amazed if any team goes up only losing 6 games - there are too many strong teams. But you could flip it and say it's going to harder than ever to recover from a poor start that goes on too long from now. | | | |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:56 - Aug 23 with 1434 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:16 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
Lol that is a rather large bite.
How has it ever been a schtick? I think my schtick by that reckoning is simply not going OTT on football managers the day they arrive and judging them by what happens on the pitch. Hardly unusual in the world of football.
For the record, I was quick to point out the obvious issues with keane while others made fools of themselves fawning. This wasnt a schtick it was simply judging what I saw on the pitch, much like you used to do
Jewell I was indifferent on a said whilst it was a big improvenent we should not go overboard
Mccarthy earned his respect. I was there in the early games like the Leicester 6-0 but you could see him signing players making a difference and you could see his team fighting. Judgement was reserved but quickly approval gained
Hurst I questioned that the performances were not that different and some of the signings not having an impact. He was a supposed messiah and I stuck with him but the wheels started to come off when he lost belief and ripped it all up for norwich at home. I personally felt he should have got longer but had no real affection for him yet because he hadn't earned it
PRP was a farce, we were clueless from the start, the style was laughable and the signings awful. The free pass was a disgrace, again he had to earn it and never did
Cook also has to earn it, he record last year was poor and this year so far is shocking. The strange position is to go all in in defence of him not to be saying he hasn't earned it here yet.
I am not sure if we are just tinpot or if football has become a joke but judging managers on performances should not be seen as something to get abuse from admins about. Managers have to earn their role and no one in their right mind thinks Cook has yet. I'm giving him 3 more games to do so, if he fails then the season is virtually over anyway |
Not so much a bite, more a jump out of the river straight into the keepnet edit for clarity, your reply, not Phil’s [Post edited 23 Aug 2021 11:58]
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| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:57 - Aug 23 with 1425 views | Guthrum |
| The significance of Lincoln away on 11:51 - Aug 23 by Bluefish |
Good news, we would still have a slim chance if we drastically improved |
If we don't drastically improve at some point, we will have no chance at all! But the situation is not yet desperate.
The way I look at it, we have a budget of up to 10 losses and around that many draws. Achieve that and we stand a very good chance of automatic promotion, which has to be the aim. Currently, we have used up two in each of those columns, but that still leaves us a margin of about eight.
Even then, odd things can happen, top teams suffer collapses in form (often us, in previous seasons) and others climb the table late. | |
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