| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons 09:02 - Sep 1 with 2792 views | ElderGrizzly |
due to Brexit...
Now if only Tim Martin could find a cheerleader who supported the silly idea :)
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 09:08 - Sep 1 with 2212 views | Pinewoodblue |
Just been reading about a shortage of Coca Cola in some parts of USA. Seems there is a shortage of lorry drivers and production employees. Brexit has not yet been blamed. |  |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 09:13 - Sep 1 with 2185 views | Cotty |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 09:08 - Sep 1 by Pinewoodblue |
Just been reading about a shortage of Coca Cola in some parts of USA. Seems there is a shortage of lorry drivers and production employees. Brexit has not yet been blamed. |
But they’ve had very similar anti immigration policy impact from the Trump era. |  | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 09:28 - Sep 1 with 2142 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 09:08 - Sep 1 by Pinewoodblue |
Just been reading about a shortage of Coca Cola in some parts of USA. Seems there is a shortage of lorry drivers and production employees. Brexit has not yet been blamed. |
That's hell of a whataboutism for this time of the morning :) | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 09:55 - Sep 1 with 2049 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 09:28 - Sep 1 by ElderGrizzly |
That's hell of a whataboutism for this time of the morning :) |
I was simply responding to a whataboutery post, in similar style. | |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 11:01 - Sep 1 with 1939 views | stonojnr |
its not due to Brexit |  | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 11:39 - Sep 1 with 1870 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 11:01 - Sep 1 by stonojnr |
its not due to Brexit |
It's part of the problem, assuming you believe the haulage industry who are the ones managing the problem. Covid we can't do anything about, but voluntarily restricting the pool of available drivers (by our choices around Brexit and then refusing to issue exceptional visas) is purely self-inflicted. |  |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:08 - Sep 1 with 1821 views | Texaco73 |
The Kool aid is strong in this island.
I always thought the only way for people to actually see the error of the type of brexit that has been forced upon the country was for it to be physically demonstrated.
Perhaps it'll just take a little longer and a very difficult Christmas to persuade people that a hard brexit is an idealogical wet dream for the benefit of extreme capitalists only.
When faced with realities the idealogy comes up short.
There will be squirming and wriggling but ultimately there are years of mess ahead of us to stabilse and move forward and eventually we will rejoin various joint EU projects and sign up to standards paying for the privilage without any recourse to influence.
Ms Patel has already splashed 50million to the French to help control channel crossing migrants.
On it will go.. |  | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:09 - Sep 1 with 1821 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 11:39 - Sep 1 by Swansea_Blue |
It's part of the problem, assuming you believe the haulage industry who are the ones managing the problem. Covid we can't do anything about, but voluntarily restricting the pool of available drivers (by our choices around Brexit and then refusing to issue exceptional visas) is purely self-inflicted. |
25,000 HGV drivers didn't return from their EU 'homes' after Jan 1st according to the spokesperson for that industry. | | | |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:20 - Sep 1 with 1781 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:09 - Sep 1 by ElderGrizzly |
25,000 HGV drivers didn't return from their EU 'homes' after Jan 1st according to the spokesperson for that industry. |
RHA say there is a shortage of 100,000 HGV drivers.
You quote a source saying 25,000 EU drivers didn’t return to UK after 1st January.
Brexit has clearly contributed for a quarter of the shortage. Covid has had a big impact on HGV training 30,000 HGV tests were lost last year.
The impact of Covid is higher than that of Brexit. [Post edited 1 Sep 2021 13:23]
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:29 - Sep 1 with 1750 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:20 - Sep 1 by Pinewoodblue |
RHA say there is a shortage of 100,000 HGV drivers.
You quote a source saying 25,000 EU drivers didn’t return to UK after 1st January.
Brexit has clearly contributed for a quarter of the shortage. Covid has had a big impact on HGV training 30,000 HGV tests were lost last year.
The impact of Covid is higher than that of Brexit. [Post edited 1 Sep 2021 13:23]
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But one of those was definitely self-inflicted: Brexit.
And the other was exacerbated by the way that the Government mishandled various stages of the Covid crisis, in comparison with another country that has control of its own borders, New Zealand. | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:39 - Sep 1 with 1726 views | Darth_Koont |
Project Fear, mate. Never going to happen. |  |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:41 - Sep 1 with 1710 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:29 - Sep 1 by ArnoldMoorhen |
But one of those was definitely self-inflicted: Brexit.
And the other was exacerbated by the way that the Government mishandled various stages of the Covid crisis, in comparison with another country that has control of its own borders, New Zealand. |
New Zealand are also short of HGV drivers - your political bias is clouding your judgement methinks. | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:41 - Sep 1 with 1710 views | Vaughan8 |
Its Carling and Coors........There are plenty of better options on offer! | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:41 - Sep 1 with 1628 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:41 - Sep 1 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
New Zealand are also short of HGV drivers - your political bias is clouding your judgement methinks. |
New Zealand also made it clear no-one was coming in for the last 15 months. Might be the issue there.
Theirs was due to Covid, ours is a perfect storm of Covid and Brexit, the latter making it so unwelcoming or difficult for HGV drivers to work here. | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:43 - Sep 1 with 1613 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:29 - Sep 1 by ArnoldMoorhen |
But one of those was definitely self-inflicted: Brexit.
And the other was exacerbated by the way that the Government mishandled various stages of the Covid crisis, in comparison with another country that has control of its own borders, New Zealand. |
And you also have a shortage of bar staff. An issue where Tim Martin asked the Govt last month to relax the new rules to allow EU staff to come here, which he fought to get put in place through Brexit. | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:44 - Sep 1 with 1606 views | chicoazul |
“Pints of Carling and Coors are reportedly unavailable in some branches”
Wow truly sensational copywriting there. Reportedly in some eh? Earth shattering accuracy. |  |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:50 - Sep 1 with 1589 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 12:41 - Sep 1 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
New Zealand are also short of HGV drivers - your political bias is clouding your judgement methinks. |
I'd rather have their problems than ours right now.
But a Google search reveals that this is an issue which successive NZ Governments have sought to address through their Visa programme since at least 2015- so that is about the demographics of NZ.
A little bit of research would have saved you pulling the trigger so quickly.
But keep on defending the indefensible! | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:55 - Sep 1 with 1575 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:41 - Sep 1 by ElderGrizzly |
New Zealand also made it clear no-one was coming in for the last 15 months. Might be the issue there.
Theirs was due to Covid, ours is a perfect storm of Covid and Brexit, the latter making it so unwelcoming or difficult for HGV drivers to work here. |
The RHA have to shoulder some of the blame. The average age of lorry drivers has been over 50 for a number of years. They need to make it a career more suitable to the younger generation.
There are loads of countries with the same problem and if it is made into a political battle it will never be solved. Brexit and Covid certainly have not helped but are far from being the only issues, in spite of several on here trying to convince us otherwise. | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 14:04 - Sep 1 with 1533 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:44 - Sep 1 by chicoazul |
“Pints of Carling and Coors are reportedly unavailable in some branches”
Wow truly sensational copywriting there. Reportedly in some eh? Earth shattering accuracy. |
Can't believe Carling ever runs out...
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 15:29 - Sep 1 with 1422 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:55 - Sep 1 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
The RHA have to shoulder some of the blame. The average age of lorry drivers has been over 50 for a number of years. They need to make it a career more suitable to the younger generation.
There are loads of countries with the same problem and if it is made into a political battle it will never be solved. Brexit and Covid certainly have not helped but are far from being the only issues, in spite of several on here trying to convince us otherwise. |
When you have a known issue (eg NHS staff shortages leading to reliance on recruiting nurses from EU countries) then you don't make it worse by sabotaging your solution.
Most problems are complex and multi-faceted. That doesn't mean that a huge self-inflicted wound making something worse can't be pointed out as being a big part of the problem.
It's funny that it's having an impact on Tim Wetherspoon, though. | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 17:11 - Sep 1 with 1321 views | noggin |
Yeah but at least them foreigners aren't taking our jobs. |  |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 17:59 - Sep 1 with 1262 views | Cotty |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 13:44 - Sep 1 by chicoazul |
“Pints of Carling and Coors are reportedly unavailable in some branches”
Wow truly sensational copywriting there. Reportedly in some eh? Earth shattering accuracy. |
You’re confusing accuracy and precision. | | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 18:06 - Sep 1 with 1238 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 17:11 - Sep 1 by noggin |
Yeah but at least them foreigners aren't taking our jobs. |
On the plus side drivers are getting a decent wage now. |  |
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| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 18:24 - Sep 1 with 1189 views | gtsb1966 |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 18:06 - Sep 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
On the plus side drivers are getting a decent wage now. |
The government need to scrap the ridiculous CPC training. Basically you have to do 40 hours , spread over five days, of sitting there listening to someone telling you how to do your job. The bits you didn't know you forget within a week. The courses are online and our instructor said he didn't care what we did as long as he could see us. You could tell most people were watching TV. Waste of time and money. |  | | |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 20:10 - Sep 1 with 1087 views | chicoazul |
| Beer shortages at Wetherspoons on 17:59 - Sep 1 by Cotty |
You’re confusing accuracy and precision. |
No I thought it was clear I’m critiquing the copy writing, something I know a little of. | |
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