| Cellina (part 2).... 07:51 - Sep 26 with 7005 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
....didn't 'take the knee.'
Surely if you do it then you do it as a team? Didn't look good in terms of team dynamics I thought. |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 07:54 - Sep 26 with 3949 views | Oldboy |
Personal choice. |  | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 08:44 - Sep 26 with 3788 views | sotd78 |
Individual choice, team game. Hard to reconcile. What's more important?
Has taken e knee had its day,. Is it as irrelevant as the forced hand shake etc.
I applaud but I'd not notice if we stopped doing it.
Did Wednesday? Can't say I remember. |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 08:54 - Sep 26 with 3731 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 08:44 - Sep 26 by sotd78 |
Individual choice, team game. Hard to reconcile. What's more important?
Has taken e knee had its day,. Is it as irrelevant as the forced hand shake etc.
I applaud but I'd not notice if we stopped doing it.
Did Wednesday? Can't say I remember. |
But to me the choice is an interesting one on your home debut and to me it says, 'I am bigger than/separate from the team.' Sheffield Wednesday, as a team, all stood. | |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:00 - Sep 26 with 3693 views | gtsb1966 |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 08:54 - Sep 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
But to me the choice is an interesting one on your home debut and to me it says, 'I am bigger than/separate from the team.' Sheffield Wednesday, as a team, all stood. |
Just my opinion but I think you're looking for something that isn't there. |  | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:02 - Sep 26 with 3670 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:00 - Sep 26 by gtsb1966 |
Just my opinion but I think you're looking for something that isn't there. |
Fair enough. | |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:03 - Sep 26 with 3660 views | homer_123 |
Sheffield Wed didn't either did they? |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:07 - Sep 26 with 3645 views | Ely_Blue |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:03 - Sep 26 by homer_123 |
Sheffield Wed didn't either did they? |
Which I thought was ironic given they had 5-6 black players in their starting lineup, I did wonder at the time how they felt about it and whether it was team pressure that made that decision rather than individuals as I would imagine at least 1 of them would have strong feelings about it |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:07 - Sep 26 with 3641 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:03 - Sep 26 by homer_123 |
Sheffield Wed didn't either did they? |
No but they acted as one...either choice is fine but it should be a team one and to be honest if one of the team wants to kneel then why wouldn't you? | |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:24 - Sep 26 with 3581 views | Oldboy |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 08:54 - Sep 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
But to me the choice is an interesting one on your home debut and to me it says, 'I am bigger than/separate from the team.' Sheffield Wednesday, as a team, all stood. |
Nothing to do with him thinking he is bigger or better than anyone. It is a personal choice. No pressure on anyone to/not take the knee. Think you are either over thinking things, or looking for a stick to beat him with. It has and always will be personal choice. | | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:28 - Sep 26 with 3558 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:24 - Sep 26 by Oldboy |
Nothing to do with him thinking he is bigger or better than anyone. It is a personal choice. No pressure on anyone to/not take the knee. Think you are either over thinking things, or looking for a stick to beat him with. It has and always will be personal choice. |
...and yet until yesterday we had managed to make a united team decision, my opinion is that he has made a poor choice, that is all. | |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:31 - Sep 26 with 3518 views | Blue_Order |
Second thread and you’ve still spelt his name wrong. |  | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:34 - Sep 26 with 3496 views | Oldboy |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:28 - Sep 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
...and yet until yesterday we had managed to make a united team decision, my opinion is that he has made a poor choice, that is all. |
It may be a good/poor decision, but it is his to make. Zaha stopped taking the knee, but his teammates still did. Think he is a team player? It is a personal choice thing, nothing to do with team spirit and alike. | | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:38 - Sep 26 with 3471 views | Keaneish |
I think individuality is something to be celebrated, personally. I see strength in feeling comfortable to do this in a team when other individuals elect to do the opposite. Let’s also not forget which part of the world Celina is from too. It’s all well and good making stances but the practical realities of that in other regions can have very different ramifications. |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:42 - Sep 26 with 3451 views | ZXBlue |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:38 - Sep 26 by Keaneish |
I think individuality is something to be celebrated, personally. I see strength in feeling comfortable to do this in a team when other individuals elect to do the opposite. Let’s also not forget which part of the world Celina is from too. It’s all well and good making stances but the practical realities of that in other regions can have very different ramifications. |
It seems to me that if you are coming in to a team which is doing it, you are making something of a point by standing apart. |  | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:42 - Sep 26 with 3450 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:34 - Sep 26 by Oldboy |
It may be a good/poor decision, but it is his to make. Zaha stopped taking the knee, but his teammates still did. Think he is a team player? It is a personal choice thing, nothing to do with team spirit and alike. |
Personal choice v team spirit. I can remember when the Arsenal captain decided if they wore long or short sleeved shirts. Individual players had no choice. |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:44 - Sep 26 with 3450 views | Basuco |
I feel it is becoming a meaningless gesture, I fully support it, like to see it and will continue to applaud it, regardless if all or some players continue with it, but feel the impact has now waned. I am not sure it reduces racist behaviour. |  | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:54 - Sep 26 with 3388 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:38 - Sep 26 by Keaneish |
I think individuality is something to be celebrated, personally. I see strength in feeling comfortable to do this in a team when other individuals elect to do the opposite. Let’s also not forget which part of the world Celina is from too. It’s all well and good making stances but the practical realities of that in other regions can have very different ramifications. |
Are you suggesting that he doesn't want to offend racist Kosovans? | |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:57 - Sep 26 with 3365 views | monytowbray |
Everyone’s cool until an Irish player refuses to wear a poppy. Then personal choice goes out the window. |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:57 - Sep 26 with 3365 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:44 - Sep 26 by Basuco |
I feel it is becoming a meaningless gesture, I fully support it, like to see it and will continue to applaud it, regardless if all or some players continue with it, but feel the impact has now waned. I am not sure it reduces racist behaviour. |
I share a lot of those thoughts but still think a unified team stance is important. | |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 10:01 - Sep 26 with 3335 views | Oldboy |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:54 - Sep 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Are you suggesting that he doesn't want to offend racist Kosovans? |
There we go. You got the reaction you were looking for. Why didn't you just start your thread with that headline? | | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 10:16 - Sep 26 with 3282 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 10:01 - Sep 26 by Oldboy |
There we go. You got the reaction you were looking for. Why didn't you just start your thread with that headline? |
Well if that turns out to be the reality don't you think he should be called out?
Edit...my thought at the game was however about team unity not pointless speculation on Celina's (cheers Blue Order) politics. [Post edited 26 Sep 2021 10:20]
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 11:57 - Sep 26 with 3068 views | SitfcB |
Give over ffs. |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 12:12 - Sep 26 with 3025 views | Swansea_Blue |
I wasn’t expecting him to tbh. We know he’s susceptible to conspiracy theories being a flat earther, so he’s going to be vulnerable to misinformation in general. Probably thinks all his team mates are Marxists! |  |
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| Cellina (part 2).... on 12:15 - Sep 26 with 3006 views | ZXBlue |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 09:28 - Sep 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
...and yet until yesterday we had managed to make a united team decision, my opinion is that he has made a poor choice, that is all. |
You are correct. A personal decision, but one which makes a certain statement. | | | |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 12:34 - Sep 26 with 2936 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cellina (part 2).... on 12:12 - Sep 26 by Swansea_Blue |
I wasn’t expecting him to tbh. We know he’s susceptible to conspiracy theories being a flat earther, so he’s going to be vulnerable to misinformation in general. Probably thinks all his team mates are Marxists! |
Do we, I don't follow this stuff too closely!
But, yeah, probably! | |
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