| Left, right and centre 14:33 - Sep 29 with 5529 views | GlasgowBlue |
Can we all agree that it is poor form to heckle somebody when talking about their deceased mother? |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 14:38 - Sep 29 with 2464 views | Illinoisblue |
It shouldn’t even be a debate; it’s despicable. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 14:41 - Sep 29 with 2446 views | Herbivore |
Yes. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 14:48 - Sep 29 with 2414 views | giant_stow |
I haven't heard it, but have seen some on the left denying it was a heckle about that - anyone got a definitive answer? |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 14:54 - Sep 29 with 2373 views | Herbivore |
| Left, right and centre on 14:48 - Sep 29 by giant_stow |
I haven't heard it, but have seen some on the left denying it was a heckle about that - anyone got a definitive answer? |
Whatever it was about, they could have chosen a better moment to express it. Pretty classless really. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:00 - Sep 29 with 2343 views | Darth_Koont |
Of course, heckle by all means but not during that part. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:01 - Sep 29 with 2338 views | baxterbasics |
| Left, right and centre on 14:48 - Sep 29 by giant_stow |
I haven't heard it, but have seen some on the left denying it was a heckle about that - anyone got a definitive answer? |
I've not been watching or listening to his speech but a Labour 'Tweeter' from inside the conference confirmed there was some heckling towards the end of that section, they will deny - maybe plausibly - that it was anything to do with his mother, but still it's a gift to Starmer in his attempt to isolate the left.
Even as a never-voted-labour type I am disappointed in how the party has utterly failed to kick the governments arse in any substantial way, given it is so well exposed and in need of a few sharp boots. Lab far too distracted, squabbling among itself over issues that most voters would put way down their list of priorities. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:14 - Sep 29 with 2296 views | SomethingBlue |
Shouldn't have been any heckling at all. Kick out the worst and most toxic government in history, that's got to be the priority and absolutely nothing else, and then seek to shape from within after that. It's what the party's left (pretty much all of whose ideas I will happily associate myself with) do not understand. They lack pragmatism. It's what the Tory party do understand and it's how they keep rumbling on despite the schisms and differences within. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:16 - Sep 29 with 2281 views | Steve_M |
| Left, right and centre on 14:48 - Sep 29 by giant_stow |
I haven't heard it, but have seen some on the left denying it was a heckle about that - anyone got a definitive answer? |
It was someone near them. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:18 - Sep 29 with 2253 views | JakeITFC |
| Left, right and centre on 15:14 - Sep 29 by SomethingBlue |
Shouldn't have been any heckling at all. Kick out the worst and most toxic government in history, that's got to be the priority and absolutely nothing else, and then seek to shape from within after that. It's what the party's left (pretty much all of whose ideas I will happily associate myself with) do not understand. They lack pragmatism. It's what the Tory party do understand and it's how they keep rumbling on despite the schisms and differences within. |
A tagental point, but the same courtesy wasn't afforded the left of the party when they had some control.
Ultimately the infighting helps nobody but this version of Labour doesn't appear to stand for much at all in its current guise. |  | | |
| Left, right and centre on 15:24 - Sep 29 with 2210 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 15:18 - Sep 29 by JakeITFC |
A tagental point, but the same courtesy wasn't afforded the left of the party when they had some control.
Ultimately the infighting helps nobody but this version of Labour doesn't appear to stand for much at all in its current guise. |
Well, exactly.
And standing for very little means the current Labour Party are putting up much less of a challenge. That’s the problem. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:39 - Sep 29 with 2133 views | positivity |
| Left, right and centre on 15:18 - Sep 29 by JakeITFC |
A tagental point, but the same courtesy wasn't afforded the left of the party when they had some control.
Ultimately the infighting helps nobody but this version of Labour doesn't appear to stand for much at all in its current guise. |
could be wrong, but don't remember corbyn being heckled at conference.
something hits the nail on the head with "Kick out the worst and most toxic government in history, that's got to be the priority and absolutely nothing else, and then seek to shape from within after that. It's what the party's left (pretty much all of whose ideas I will happily associate myself with) do not understand. ".
i don't know of any centrist labour politician or activist who wasn't working their butt off to get boris out in 2019. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:40 - Sep 29 with 2122 views | Herbivore |
| Left, right and centre on 15:14 - Sep 29 by SomethingBlue |
Shouldn't have been any heckling at all. Kick out the worst and most toxic government in history, that's got to be the priority and absolutely nothing else, and then seek to shape from within after that. It's what the party's left (pretty much all of whose ideas I will happily associate myself with) do not understand. They lack pragmatism. It's what the Tory party do understand and it's how they keep rumbling on despite the schisms and differences within. |
Indeed. The Tories are no less divided than Labour in reality, particularly on social issues rather than economic ones. What they are able to do is put those differences aside (one might argue their lack of fundamental principles makes this easier to do) and present enough of a united front to win elections. Of course it helps massively how the press covers things, disunity in Labour is headline news but it's barely mentioned when there's disunity in the Tory party, but Labour sure don't help themselves either. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:41 - Sep 29 with 2112 views | JakeITFC |
| Left, right and centre on 15:39 - Sep 29 by positivity |
could be wrong, but don't remember corbyn being heckled at conference.
something hits the nail on the head with "Kick out the worst and most toxic government in history, that's got to be the priority and absolutely nothing else, and then seek to shape from within after that. It's what the party's left (pretty much all of whose ideas I will happily associate myself with) do not understand. ".
i don't know of any centrist labour politician or activist who wasn't working their butt off to get boris out in 2019. |
2017, and it was much more destructive than heckling at a conference. | | | |
| Left, right and centre on 15:47 - Sep 29 with 2062 views | hype313 |
Obviously.
Clearly it doesn't even need a post about it, bar trying to go fishing. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:47 - Sep 29 with 2062 views | positivity |
| Left, right and centre on 15:41 - Sep 29 by JakeITFC |
2017, and it was much more destructive than heckling at a conference. |
i think that lot were all purged by corbyn weren't they? 2019 he got full backing, as should starmer now.
the stakes are too high to roll over into petty he-said-she-said and let boris win again | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:51 - Sep 29 with 2036 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 15:00 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
Of course, heckle by all means but not during that part. |
And as a matter of fact, now that I’ve watched it, it was after that part.
Starmer was moving on to celebrating NHS staff and offering the platitude of approval rather than a proper pay rise. A lone woman shouted out about that. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:53 - Sep 29 with 2018 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 15:47 - Sep 29 by positivity |
i think that lot were all purged by corbyn weren't they? 2019 he got full backing, as should starmer now.
the stakes are too high to roll over into petty he-said-she-said and let boris win again |
When was this purge by Corbyn? Who was purged?
This stuff exists in your mind and the minds of Mail journalists. [Post edited 29 Sep 2021 15:54]
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| Left, right and centre on 16:02 - Sep 29 with 1949 views | itfcjoe |
| Left, right and centre on 15:53 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
When was this purge by Corbyn? Who was purged?
This stuff exists in your mind and the minds of Mail journalists. [Post edited 29 Sep 2021 15:54]
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What about the 2019 conference where they tried to oust Watson on the eve of it? |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:09 - Sep 29 with 1908 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 16:02 - Sep 29 by itfcjoe |
What about the 2019 conference where they tried to oust Watson on the eve of it? |
Yes, that happened. Not a purge though, Watson was just an awful deputy leader who’d long been undermining the leadership, publicly and privately. If the Forde report has any teeth that should come out more into the open.
But I’m still interested in the purge that apparently took place. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:13 - Sep 29 with 1876 views | chicoazul |
| Left, right and centre on 15:14 - Sep 29 by SomethingBlue |
Shouldn't have been any heckling at all. Kick out the worst and most toxic government in history, that's got to be the priority and absolutely nothing else, and then seek to shape from within after that. It's what the party's left (pretty much all of whose ideas I will happily associate myself with) do not understand. They lack pragmatism. It's what the Tory party do understand and it's how they keep rumbling on despite the schisms and differences within. |
Pragmatism?? Pffftt. Ideology that’s what counts. *This* time the electorate will see that. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:17 - Sep 29 with 1843 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 16:13 - Sep 29 by chicoazul |
Pragmatism?? Pffftt. Ideology that’s what counts. *This* time the electorate will see that. |
What’s pragmatic about policies that are insufficient? Or indeed a Labour Party that doesn’t inspire the electorate and which can be outflanked by Boris et al whenever they want?
It’s a leadership of platitudes not pragmatism. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:19 - Sep 29 with 1822 views | positivity |
| Left, right and centre on 15:53 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
When was this purge by Corbyn? Who was purged?
This stuff exists in your mind and the minds of Mail journalists. [Post edited 29 Sep 2021 15:54]
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independent and guardian were the first two on my web search.
it wasn't the socialist worker, so probably too fascist for you to take seriously?
who was involved in heckling corbyn at conference or undermining corbyn in 2017, who's still in the party? or was that all in your mind and the minds of morning star/q-anon readers? | |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:20 - Sep 29 with 1812 views | positivity |
| Left, right and centre on 16:17 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
What’s pragmatic about policies that are insufficient? Or indeed a Labour Party that doesn’t inspire the electorate and which can be outflanked by Boris et al whenever they want?
It’s a leadership of platitudes not pragmatism. |
what policies are worse than boris's? stop enabling him by talking down the only credible alternative we have! | |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:23 - Sep 29 with 1785 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 16:19 - Sep 29 by positivity |
independent and guardian were the first two on my web search.
it wasn't the socialist worker, so probably too fascist for you to take seriously?
who was involved in heckling corbyn at conference or undermining corbyn in 2017, who's still in the party? or was that all in your mind and the minds of morning star/q-anon readers? |
I know there were accusations of an impending purge all the time. Even by some Guardian and Independent journos.
But come on now. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:24 - Sep 29 with 1777 views | itfcjoe |
| Left, right and centre on 16:09 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, that happened. Not a purge though, Watson was just an awful deputy leader who’d long been undermining the leadership, publicly and privately. If the Forde report has any teeth that should come out more into the open.
But I’m still interested in the purge that apparently took place. |
What about people like Anna Turley, who McCluskey spend £2m of members money paying for Sqwakbox legal fees out of the Unite pot after they defamed her? | |
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