| Assistant manager 12:26 - Oct 4 with 3896 views | Stu_boy |
I think everyone can see we need an assistant to help cook, how about promoting dyer from u23 manager to assistant and employ butcher as u23 manager? |  | | |  |
| Assistant manager on 17:24 - Oct 4 with 898 views | PhilTWTD |
| Assistant manager on 17:21 - Oct 4 by Pinewoodblue |
Maybe he doesn’t like to be challenged?
Seems to me there have been too many occasions recently where it needed someone to challenge his approach, make suggestions etc.
Someone prepared to suggest a tactical change.
Looking forward to seeing how he approaches tomorrow’s game. Hope he doesn’t use it as an opportunity to give fringe players minutes. |
I don't think any manager likes his assistants or staff challenging as such. Think there's usually an ongoing discussion of ideas, including tactical, personnel suggestions, and the manager making the decision.
PC has already said tomorrow will be fringe players getting minutes. |  | | |
| Assistant manager on 17:28 - Oct 4 with 875 views | WilbrahamBlue |
| Assistant manager on 13:34 - Oct 4 by Iwasthere |
When he gets sacked from ITFC his reputation will be devalued. As we have no backroom staff Cook has projected himself from instant dismissal as no obvious caretaker. Ashton will have to have a replacement in place once the announcement is made. The sooner the better. |
Can someone please forward this on to the club? | | | |
| Assistant manager on 17:29 - Oct 4 with 875 views | WilbrahamBlue |
Osman? Mills? Is that you? | | | |
| Assistant manager on 17:33 - Oct 4 with 866 views | Swansea_Blue |
I can’t see it. Why try and paper over the cracks? He’s chosen his coaching team and he should stand and fall by it. Maybe Richardson was key at his former clubs, but he’s not available. So if Cook can’t manage without him I’d argue we’d be better with a new manager rather than searching for an assistant who may lift us. |  |
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| Assistant manager on 17:46 - Oct 4 with 860 views | monty_radio |
| Assistant manager on 17:24 - Oct 4 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think any manager likes his assistants or staff challenging as such. Think there's usually an ongoing discussion of ideas, including tactical, personnel suggestions, and the manager making the decision.
PC has already said tomorrow will be fringe players getting minutes. |
Doesn't it rather depend how much is loaded into the word "challenge"?
If a trusted lieutenant says " maybe it's time to go two up top in a minute, Boss. What do you think? - is that too much of a challenge?
Yet, if such a person were appointed to stand beside a number one, but felt such an intervention might be considered a tad presumptive, then it wouldn't be a role worth creating; it wouldn't be more than Work Experience.
We all cheered when the name of bodies / roles in the club was increased to make us look like a 21st Century enterprise. But it needs an assured person at the top to feel that he/she can utilise an enlarged structure without loss of face. I would hope that Cook felt able to be such a leader. We've had two decades of the big boss man and we need to reflect current best practice. | |
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| Assistant manager on 17:47 - Oct 4 with 856 views | Wickets |
| Assistant manager on 17:22 - Oct 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
Its just a title, why is everyone obsessed with it!
He has 3 or 4 coaches he can talk through tactics with/bounce ideas off of, we really don't need any more on there with him! |
Truth is we are looking for reasons as to why things are not right and i would argue that is pretty normal for a club that has put such large amounts of money to get promoted this season . If we dont start winning soon and consistantly so by the standards set PC will have failed . |  | | |
| Assistant manager on 17:58 - Oct 4 with 845 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Assistant manager on 17:46 - Oct 4 by monty_radio |
Doesn't it rather depend how much is loaded into the word "challenge"?
If a trusted lieutenant says " maybe it's time to go two up top in a minute, Boss. What do you think? - is that too much of a challenge?
Yet, if such a person were appointed to stand beside a number one, but felt such an intervention might be considered a tad presumptive, then it wouldn't be a role worth creating; it wouldn't be more than Work Experience.
We all cheered when the name of bodies / roles in the club was increased to make us look like a 21st Century enterprise. But it needs an assured person at the top to feel that he/she can utilise an enlarged structure without loss of face. I would hope that Cook felt able to be such a leader. We've had two decades of the big boss man and we need to reflect current best practice. |
Think most of us have found ourselves in a position where constructive comment is seen as challenging.. Why, if you have a right hand man they need to be experienced. |  |
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| Assistant manager on 18:02 - Oct 4 with 845 views | PhilTWTD |
| Assistant manager on 17:46 - Oct 4 by monty_radio |
Doesn't it rather depend how much is loaded into the word "challenge"?
If a trusted lieutenant says " maybe it's time to go two up top in a minute, Boss. What do you think? - is that too much of a challenge?
Yet, if such a person were appointed to stand beside a number one, but felt such an intervention might be considered a tad presumptive, then it wouldn't be a role worth creating; it wouldn't be more than Work Experience.
We all cheered when the name of bodies / roles in the club was increased to make us look like a 21st Century enterprise. But it needs an assured person at the top to feel that he/she can utilise an enlarged structure without loss of face. I would hope that Cook felt able to be such a leader. We've had two decades of the big boss man and we need to reflect current best practice. |
I'm sure those sorts of discussions take place. I'm not sure once it was clear LR was going to stay at Wigan, which was fairly soon after he took over here, he considered anyone experienced as a second in charge. I think Kieron, Noel Hunt and Franny Jeffers were all under consideration for that role before he opted to give the jobs which were given.
PC is very much a traditional manager, he wants to run the football side of things, which was why he opted not to go to other clubs where he would have been a head coach with someone above him. I think the ownership would ideally have appointed a head coach and I would guess the next boss will be along those lines. | | | |
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| Assistant manager on 18:23 - Oct 4 with 828 views | HighgateBlue |
| Assistant manager on 17:06 - Oct 4 by PhilTWTD |
That seems to be the way he always operates, young coaches below him learning their trade. |
Does he normally have defensive coaches? Or if not, does he normally succeed by not torching an already successful defence? |  | | |
| Assistant manager on 18:38 - Oct 4 with 814 views | nshearman1 |
| Assistant manager on 18:02 - Oct 4 by PhilTWTD |
I'm sure those sorts of discussions take place. I'm not sure once it was clear LR was going to stay at Wigan, which was fairly soon after he took over here, he considered anyone experienced as a second in charge. I think Kieron, Noel Hunt and Franny Jeffers were all under consideration for that role before he opted to give the jobs which were given.
PC is very much a traditional manager, he wants to run the football side of things, which was why he opted not to go to other clubs where he would have been a head coach with someone above him. I think the ownership would ideally have appointed a head coach and I would guess the next boss will be along those lines. |
That last line is very interesting, Phil. It suggests, as I've thought since the new ownership took over, that Cook is something of an interim choice designed to get us out of League One (if he can without an Assistant), and that once that is achieved a new, more contemporary structure and personnel will take over. Certainly the current coaching staff don't look like the right level of expertise to take us to the heights of the modern game... | | | |
| Assistant manager on 18:41 - Oct 4 with 811 views | Trequartista |
I'm sorry but this assistant manager stuff cuts no ice with me. If we had an assistant manager would we near the top of the league? In what way could that happen - would he be overruling Cook on decisions? If we're looking for answers to the puzzle, an assistant manager is a red herring. |  |
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| Assistant manager on 18:53 - Oct 4 with 797 views | backwaywhen |
| Assistant manager on 18:41 - Oct 4 by Trequartista |
I'm sorry but this assistant manager stuff cuts no ice with me. If we had an assistant manager would we near the top of the league? In what way could that happen - would he be overruling Cook on decisions? If we're looking for answers to the puzzle, an assistant manager is a red herring. |
I wouldn’t say overruling is the correct terminology , it’s more a case of an experienced input especially when things are not working during a game , LR obviously had that ingredient to be so successful as his no2 …… alas we will never know …… Unfortunately. | | | |
| Assistant manager on 19:13 - Oct 4 with 772 views | Radlett_blue |
| Assistant manager on 13:10 - Oct 4 by PhilTWTD |
I was told very early on that he wasn't in the running for a role. JMc wanted to be a manager, PC didn't want to appoint someone who might be off in a couple of months. I did hear talk that Jeffers might be named assistant manager rather than first-team coach when his name was first mentioned. |
Cook has the team he appointed, although he did want Leam Richardson, who declined. I'm not sure what Jeffers's qualifications are for being First Team coach - a few years at Everton's academy & then U23 coach. No point in trying to foist an unwanted #2 on Cook - he's been given everything he wanted so the excuses have to end pretty soon. |  |
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| Assistant manager on 19:19 - Oct 4 with 769 views | PhilTWTD |
| Assistant manager on 19:13 - Oct 4 by Radlett_blue |
Cook has the team he appointed, although he did want Leam Richardson, who declined. I'm not sure what Jeffers's qualifications are for being First Team coach - a few years at Everton's academy & then U23 coach. No point in trying to foist an unwanted #2 on Cook - he's been given everything he wanted so the excuses have to end pretty soon. |
Don't forget U23s coaches from Premier League clubs are getting first-team manager's jobs at this level, and are having to take pay cuts while doing so. | | | |
| Assistant manager on 20:39 - Oct 4 with 714 views | Seablu |
| Assistant manager on 17:24 - Oct 4 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think any manager likes his assistants or staff challenging as such. Think there's usually an ongoing discussion of ideas, including tactical, personnel suggestions, and the manager making the decision.
PC has already said tomorrow will be fringe players getting minutes. |
Gives him another ready made excuse.
Fringe players not stepping up, showing me enough...etc
It’s extraordinary how quickly he’s started to get on my last nerve. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:04 - Oct 4 with 699 views | chrismakin |
| Assistant manager on 19:19 - Oct 4 by PhilTWTD |
Don't forget U23s coaches from Premier League clubs are getting first-team manager's jobs at this level, and are having to take pay cuts while doing so. |
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| Assistant manager on 22:28 - Oct 4 with 664 views | Radlett_blue |
| Assistant manager on 20:39 - Oct 4 by Seablu |
Gives him another ready made excuse.
Fringe players not stepping up, showing me enough...etc
It’s extraordinary how quickly he’s started to get on my last nerve. |
Unsurprising, as Town are currently in their lowest ever football league position, we again aren't taking Cups seriously as if we're too big to do so & the same excuses are being trotted out. Yes, Cook should be given more time, but my patience is wearing a little thin. | |
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| Assistant manager on 23:08 - Oct 4 with 656 views | Trequartista |
| Assistant manager on 18:53 - Oct 4 by backwaywhen |
I wouldn’t say overruling is the correct terminology , it’s more a case of an experienced input especially when things are not working during a game , LR obviously had that ingredient to be so successful as his no2 …… alas we will never know …… Unfortunately. |
I just don't believe they have that much influence. They might agree or disagree with something and the manager makes an alteration to his thinking, but not to the degree of changing several match results.
Same with Lambert and Culverhouse, it's just two different sets of circumstances throwing up a classic correlation but not causation scenario. | |
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| Assistant manager on 09:53 - Oct 5 with 561 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| Assistant manager on 23:08 - Oct 4 by Trequartista |
I just don't believe they have that much influence. They might agree or disagree with something and the manager makes an alteration to his thinking, but not to the degree of changing several match results.
Same with Lambert and Culverhouse, it's just two different sets of circumstances throwing up a classic correlation but not causation scenario. |
Not sure how any of us can evaluate the influence of any coach or AM, other than evaluating the results, which of course can be influenced by many other factors. However, Cook was successful at 3 clubs with Richardson at his side. Cook wanted Richardson as his AM here. Richardson declined and seems to be enjoying success without Cook at Wigan. Is it so unreasonable, without having to understand specifically which roles each of them played previously and what influence that brought to bear on results, to deduce that Cook is probably missing whatever it is that Richardson brought to the managerial partnership? Sure, it could be a massive coincidence, but I cannot think of a more plausible alternative explanation.
BTW, how successful was Clough without Taylor? |  | | |
| Assistant manager on 09:58 - Oct 5 with 553 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Assistant manager on 13:13 - Oct 4 by chrismakin |
I said this a while back
Appt an assistant now. Any upturn will be down to the assistant.
Yes PC could take credit for bringing one in... but the end of the day the assistant would be the one people would say made a difference.
I Still think PC and Leam had a fall out and PC is trying to prove a point. |
Well he is definitely proving a point. |  |
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