| Hey Bluefish........... 14:45 - Oct 12 with 7582 views | BlueNomad |
Is your avatar for real?
At least you came first in this race I suppose. |  | | |  |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:07 - Oct 13 with 733 views | Ely_Blue |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:04 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Can we just clarify this is not acceptable for our football club. Cook should have a plan A, B and C to carefully plot out for each opposition. Teams that do well fond a way to beat all types of opponent |
Ah you mean like that FIFA 4th ranked team that couldn’t beat Hungary last night?
Do me a favour and stop your trolling/blubbing *
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:08 - Oct 13 with 733 views | hype313 |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:04 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Can we just clarify this is not acceptable for our football club. Cook should have a plan A, B and C to carefully plot out for each opposition. Teams that do well fond a way to beat all types of opponent |
Agreed, and one of my bugbears is his substitution policy, it's Wenger esq in the fact that it just seems to be the standard 70 minutes regardless of how things are going.
However, still think we need to see how these upcoming tough away games go before decisions are made. |  |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:14 - Oct 13 with 711 views | Bluefish |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:07 - Oct 13 by Ely_Blue |
Ah you mean like that FIFA 4th ranked team that couldn’t beat Hungary last night?
Do me a favour and stop your trolling/blubbing *
*delete as appropriate depending on if it’s that time of the month or not |
England are top of their group. How does that come close to working in your head? England have clearly found a way to beat different teams albeit Southgate still has huge question marks on exactly that.
Ipswich are not top of the league or even close to it |  |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:19 - Oct 13 with 690 views | Ely_Blue |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:14 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
England are top of their group. How does that come close to working in your head? England have clearly found a way to beat different teams albeit Southgate still has huge question marks on exactly that.
Ipswich are not top of the league or even close to it |
“ Teams that do well fond a way to beat all types of opponent”
I’ll just leave it there | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:20 - Oct 13 with 681 views | itfcjoe |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 13:54 - Oct 13 by TooManyCooks |
You make some interesting observations and I feel you are correct with regards to the number of chances and subsequently, the number of shots we have at goal, but we have indeed been clinical up top.
I don't agree that standards are dropping, I feel that on the whole we are showing much improvement in many areas and that's despite injuries/absence of some of our perceived better players which means we still aren't a settled 11 (or 18) yet.
I do feel it was unnecessary to revile other peoples opinions as "rubbish" in your opening statement, even Bluefish is entitled to his opinion, as much as I may often disagree with it. |
TO clarify, with regards to rubbish, I was talking about the petty back and forth comments rather than those who have engaged in the discussion which I think has generally been interesting to read with a nice balance. |  |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:21 - Oct 13 with 671 views | Bluefish |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:19 - Oct 13 by Ely_Blue |
“ Teams that do well fond a way to beat all types of opponent”
I’ll just leave it there |
Great news
None the wiser but great news | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:41 - Oct 13 with 633 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:14 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
England are top of their group. How does that come close to working in your head? England have clearly found a way to beat different teams albeit Southgate still has huge question marks on exactly that.
Ipswich are not top of the league or even close to it |
England, however, aren't a brand new team. |  |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:44 - Oct 13 with 617 views | Oldboy |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:21 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Great news
None the wiser but great news |
Who would have thought that this could be a 10 pager. Great work.  |  | | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:46 - Oct 13 with 608 views | TooManyCooks |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:08 - Oct 13 by hype313 |
Agreed, and one of my bugbears is his substitution policy, it's Wenger esq in the fact that it just seems to be the standard 70 minutes regardless of how things are going.
However, still think we need to see how these upcoming tough away games go before decisions are made. |
Would that be the same Arsene Wenger that won 17 Trophies with Arsenal and numerous other trophies with teams across the globe?
I imagine Paul Cook would be ecstatic with the comparison. |  |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:49 - Oct 13 with 596 views | TooManyCooks |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:20 - Oct 13 by itfcjoe |
TO clarify, with regards to rubbish, I was talking about the petty back and forth comments rather than those who have engaged in the discussion which I think has generally been interesting to read with a nice balance. |
I thought so, hence my reference to Bluefish being entitled to his opinion  | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:50 - Oct 13 with 588 views | Bluefish |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:41 - Oct 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
England, however, aren't a brand new team. |
Arguably they aren't a team at all so makes a mockery of the gelling
If however it isn't possible to be competitive with wholesale changes then he was an idiot for making wholesale changes. The target was promotion not a clear out, he decided a clear out would get promotion. You are saying promotion isn't achievable with a clear out
No idea why i have bothered to reply to you | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:52 - Oct 13 with 578 views | hype313 |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:46 - Oct 13 by TooManyCooks |
Would that be the same Arsene Wenger that won 17 Trophies with Arsenal and numerous other trophies with teams across the globe?
I imagine Paul Cook would be ecstatic with the comparison. |
Hmm 10 trophies, but you are including 7 Charity Shield wins which is essentially a friendly.
Teams across the globe? He had one season in Japan where he came second and won the French league once in 8 years, hardly numerous titles with teams across the globe. | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:54 - Oct 13 with 571 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:50 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Arguably they aren't a team at all so makes a mockery of the gelling
If however it isn't possible to be competitive with wholesale changes then he was an idiot for making wholesale changes. The target was promotion not a clear out, he decided a clear out would get promotion. You are saying promotion isn't achievable with a clear out
No idea why i have bothered to reply to you |
You didn’t have to make the challenge!! But he’s drawn you in and made you look silly.
Keep your f#&king head in the game!!! |  |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:05 - Oct 13 with 527 views | BlueNomad |
I didn't expect such a long thread when I started it. I just found it incredible that Bluefish thought now is the time to sack Cook. We are showing promising signs of what we hope will come, the quality of football we see in parts of games is far superior to anything we have seen for years. It is possible to look back over our dropped points and, apart from Bolton and Accrington, we can attribute them to individual errors, a missed penalty and a golden chance. I know IF is a big word but we could easily be near the top of the league and Bluey's demands for Cook to be sacked would be hilarious because he had no control over any of those things.
The clocks haven't even gone back yet Bluey. When squads start feeling the injuries, suspensions and loss of form that they can't cover due to a lack of depth you might well see us pulling through.
Is that a reasoned enough argument Bluey? | | | |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:13 - Oct 13 with 506 views | Herbivore |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:05 - Oct 13 by BlueNomad |
I didn't expect such a long thread when I started it. I just found it incredible that Bluefish thought now is the time to sack Cook. We are showing promising signs of what we hope will come, the quality of football we see in parts of games is far superior to anything we have seen for years. It is possible to look back over our dropped points and, apart from Bolton and Accrington, we can attribute them to individual errors, a missed penalty and a golden chance. I know IF is a big word but we could easily be near the top of the league and Bluey's demands for Cook to be sacked would be hilarious because he had no control over any of those things.
The clocks haven't even gone back yet Bluey. When squads start feeling the injuries, suspensions and loss of form that they can't cover due to a lack of depth you might well see us pulling through.
Is that a reasoned enough argument Bluey? |
I think he's basing his view on what has happened rather than on what could have happened had we not dropped a shed load of points already this season. I don't agree with him at this stage but I also don't think it's a ridiculous shout, certainly it's no more ridiculous than those who are effusive in their praise of our poor start to the season. I'm seeing a lot more delusion in some other corners than I'm seeing from dear old Blubbers. |  |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:34 - Oct 13 with 467 views | BlueStreak |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:50 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Arguably they aren't a team at all so makes a mockery of the gelling
If however it isn't possible to be competitive with wholesale changes then he was an idiot for making wholesale changes. The target was promotion not a clear out, he decided a clear out would get promotion. You are saying promotion isn't achievable with a clear out
No idea why i have bothered to reply to you |
who is your choice of replacement? |  | | |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:36 - Oct 13 with 462 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:13 - Oct 13 by Herbivore |
I think he's basing his view on what has happened rather than on what could have happened had we not dropped a shed load of points already this season. I don't agree with him at this stage but I also don't think it's a ridiculous shout, certainly it's no more ridiculous than those who are effusive in their praise of our poor start to the season. I'm seeing a lot more delusion in some other corners than I'm seeing from dear old Blubbers. |
But yet what has happened since the start has gotten better. Both in points and at least defensive performances.
Yet we’re still having discussions involving last season’s record. Which as another poster pointed out means we might as well include Cook’s previous record before ITFC.
I can’t get past the view that some people have been desperate to call it from the start and are still trying to justify that view no matter what happens or will happen. | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:37 - Oct 13 with 459 views | Bluefish |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:34 - Oct 13 by BlueStreak |
who is your choice of replacement? |
I haven't picked one. I focus on Ipswich and whether we are performing or failing | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:39 - Oct 13 with 451 views | Ely_Blue |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:21 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Great news
None the wiser but great news |
Your words not mine….. then you contradict yourself….. as always | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:43 - Oct 13 with 432 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 14:50 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Arguably they aren't a team at all so makes a mockery of the gelling
If however it isn't possible to be competitive with wholesale changes then he was an idiot for making wholesale changes. The target was promotion not a clear out, he decided a clear out would get promotion. You are saying promotion isn't achievable with a clear out
No idea why i have bothered to reply to you |
No need for the nastiness at the end, I'm sure we can converse civilly. You've probably replied to me because of my credibility 
Firstly, yes England are a team. Many of them have played together for years. They won't be as well-drilled as a team that plays week in week out, but yes they are a team IMO. And they've certainly had more time together than Cook's team this season.
You have a point on the wholesale changes. Cook may have well gone too far there. It depends how long the gelling takes, which is in 'how long's a piece of string' territory, but if it is indeed too long to gain promotion then I agree that will have been a massive error on Cook's part.
You gotta think though, throwing 11 strangers together they're probably going to take a bit if time to get to know each other's game, what runs they'll make, who they need to cover for etc? And Cook's ideas will need to be repeated over and over until they sink in and become second nature, which will also take a bit of time surely? | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:43 - Oct 13 with 431 views | Bluefish |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:39 - Oct 13 by Ely_Blue |
Your words not mine….. then you contradict yourself….. as always |
The only contradicting is you saying you were leaving it there and then responding | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:46 - Oct 13 with 417 views | Herbivore |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:36 - Oct 13 by Darth_Koont |
But yet what has happened since the start has gotten better. Both in points and at least defensive performances.
Yet we’re still having discussions involving last season’s record. Which as another poster pointed out means we might as well include Cook’s previous record before ITFC.
I can’t get past the view that some people have been desperate to call it from the start and are still trying to justify that view no matter what happens or will happen. |
I was very happy when Cook was appointed, he was my preferred choice. His record at this level is very good. However, I was really unimpressed with the job he did here last season and I don't think that's unreasonable. When he was appointed we were just outside the play offs, with an easy run in, coming off a good sequence of results. Cook himself was talking about gunning for automatic promotion. That he couldn't get anything from the squad and we limped to a midtable finish wasn't good. I don't think it's being harsh to judge Cook based on what he's actually done here.
This season has also not been anywhere near good enough. The last 5 games has been better but let's not lose sight of 2 of those games being at home against the worst two teams in the league. That run has also included a game at Accrington that was every bit as bad as most of our away performances under Cook have been. That's a worry and doesn't fit with a narrative that things are improving. I'm happy to give it this next 5 games and we'll know more then.
I still desperately want it to come good for Cook here, but having doubts is sensible given his terrible record to date. | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:48 - Oct 13 with 407 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:13 - Oct 13 by Herbivore |
I think he's basing his view on what has happened rather than on what could have happened had we not dropped a shed load of points already this season. I don't agree with him at this stage but I also don't think it's a ridiculous shout, certainly it's no more ridiculous than those who are effusive in their praise of our poor start to the season. I'm seeing a lot more delusion in some other corners than I'm seeing from dear old Blubbers. |
Just like us being top scorers is based on what happened, but you added the IF of "IF we hadn't scored 6 against Doncaster."
They were perfectly legitimate goals, I'm not sure why anyone would take them out of the equation. | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:49 - Oct 13 with 400 views | Ely_Blue |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:43 - Oct 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No need for the nastiness at the end, I'm sure we can converse civilly. You've probably replied to me because of my credibility
Firstly, yes England are a team. Many of them have played together for years. They won't be as well-drilled as a team that plays week in week out, but yes they are a team IMO. And they've certainly had more time together than Cook's team this season.
You have a point on the wholesale changes. Cook may have well gone too far there. It depends how long the gelling takes, which is in 'how long's a piece of string' territory, but if it is indeed too long to gain promotion then I agree that will have been a massive error on Cook's part.
You gotta think though, throwing 11 strangers together they're probably going to take a bit if time to get to know each other's game, what runs they'll make, who they need to cover for etc? And Cook's ideas will need to be repeated over and over until they sink in and become second nature, which will also take a bit of time surely? |
I agree with your last paragraph and what I was referring to which blubfish can’t grasp is that despite almost all of England’s starting 11 last night being in a top team from the Euros, they are 11 guys who don’t play together that often and last night with the 1 change to style/system they were unable to beat a well organised but much lower ranked team (Hungary are currently 37th in the fifa rankings).
She is quite happy to slag off cook and Ipswich for struggling against a team who at worst are ranked 23 places below us (assuming we are the top ranked team in L1) but can’t see that even the best teams can struggle | |
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| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:51 - Oct 13 with 392 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hey Bluefish........... on 15:36 - Oct 13 by Darth_Koont |
But yet what has happened since the start has gotten better. Both in points and at least defensive performances.
Yet we’re still having discussions involving last season’s record. Which as another poster pointed out means we might as well include Cook’s previous record before ITFC.
I can’t get past the view that some people have been desperate to call it from the start and are still trying to justify that view no matter what happens or will happen. |
Yes, that's exactly how I see it. I just can't square how people can say "He's failed to get a tune out of this team" and then included last season's stats. That's another team! In fact it's almost an entirely different club other than the name above the door and us long-suffering supporters! | |
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