| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 08:35 - Nov 3 with 2302 views | XYZ |
The YCCC committee must know they're in trouble when cabinet ministers, who are happy to serve under a racist PM, call them out for racism.
ECB, consistent with their historic approach to racism, remain silent ... |  | |  |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 09:09 - Nov 3 with 2257 views | Radlett_blue |
You would have hoped that at least one member of the Yorkshire board would have done the decent thing by resigning & saying why, but they seem to have decided to stick together like the 3 wise monkeys. |  |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 09:14 - Nov 3 with 2253 views | DanTheMan |
On Monday ESPN claimed to have seen redacted elements of the report, including that a racist term about Rafiq's Pakistani heritage was regularly used towards him by a current player but the Yorkshire report concluded it was "friendly and good-natured banter".
How out of touch are these people? |  |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 09:19 - Nov 3 with 2235 views | Radlett_blue |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 09:14 - Nov 3 by DanTheMan |
On Monday ESPN claimed to have seen redacted elements of the report, including that a racist term about Rafiq's Pakistani heritage was regularly used towards him by a current player but the Yorkshire report concluded it was "friendly and good-natured banter".
How out of touch are these people? |
I bet Rafiq didn't see it as "friendly & good natured banter", although I accept that it was probably ignorance from the perpetrators, rather than ill intent. | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 09:24 - Nov 3 with 2211 views | bournemouthblue |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 08:35 - Nov 3 by XYZ |
The YCCC committee must know they're in trouble when cabinet ministers, who are happy to serve under a racist PM, call them out for racism.
ECB, consistent with their historic approach to racism, remain silent ... |
There's a certain amount of irony attached to this statement given the Tory Party's own issues with Islamophobia
I note the media are conspicuous by their absence on the Tories issues here, something they were keen to jump all over Corbyn on |  |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 10:50 - Nov 3 with 2173 views | IpswichKnight |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 09:19 - Nov 3 by Radlett_blue |
I bet Rafiq didn't see it as "friendly & good natured banter", although I accept that it was probably ignorance from the perpetrators, rather than ill intent. |
They are so out of touch! Apparently Rafiq called someone a Zimbo and the report states if it had been reported he would have been disciplined for it no mention of any disciplinary action for all the racial slurs against him.
Current chairman ( appointed after this all happened ) wanted to release the report and deal with it but was not supported by the board he is now contemplating his position and Yorkshire are ready to appoint Colin Graves ex ECB chairman and in a real you couldn’t make this up the former chairman of Yorkshire who was chairman when this all happened.
Rafiq appearance at the Select committee will be fascinating as it’s covered by parliamentary privilege so he can name names and no one can be sued for libel. | | | |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:14 - Nov 3 with 2154 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 10:50 - Nov 3 by IpswichKnight |
They are so out of touch! Apparently Rafiq called someone a Zimbo and the report states if it had been reported he would have been disciplined for it no mention of any disciplinary action for all the racial slurs against him.
Current chairman ( appointed after this all happened ) wanted to release the report and deal with it but was not supported by the board he is now contemplating his position and Yorkshire are ready to appoint Colin Graves ex ECB chairman and in a real you couldn’t make this up the former chairman of Yorkshire who was chairman when this all happened.
Rafiq appearance at the Select committee will be fascinating as it’s covered by parliamentary privilege so he can name names and no one can be sued for libel. |
I'm genuinely worried about who the names may be, given that the cover up is so deep on this.
Regardless, the truth must out and Rafiq must be supported.
Currently the stench from this clings to EVERY Yorkshire player, including some very prominent England players, as well as the management and board, so it is also only fair to the players who didn't indulge in the racist abuse that the suspicion is lifted from them. | | | |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:22 - Nov 3 with 2135 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 09:14 - Nov 3 by DanTheMan |
On Monday ESPN claimed to have seen redacted elements of the report, including that a racist term about Rafiq's Pakistani heritage was regularly used towards him by a current player but the Yorkshire report concluded it was "friendly and good-natured banter".
How out of touch are these people? |
I think I read a senior player admitted to regularly using the slur but did indeed consider it banter.... quite how one can convince oneself that is the case is beyond me |  |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:38 - Nov 3 with 2112 views | Ryorry |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:14 - Nov 3 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I'm genuinely worried about who the names may be, given that the cover up is so deep on this.
Regardless, the truth must out and Rafiq must be supported.
Currently the stench from this clings to EVERY Yorkshire player, including some very prominent England players, as well as the management and board, so it is also only fair to the players who didn't indulge in the racist abuse that the suspicion is lifted from them. |
Not sure if current members are staging protests of any kind, but if not, they damn well should be. I'd certainly start something if I were still a member. |  |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:44 - Nov 3 with 2103 views | gordon |
Awful situation, awful handling of it - does make wonder about the identity of the senior player involved, given the extent of the cover-up by all parties. Can't really see what the legal reason would be for keeping the identity of this player private. |  | | |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:46 - Nov 3 with 2097 views | gordon |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:22 - Nov 3 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I think I read a senior player admitted to regularly using the slur but did indeed consider it banter.... quite how one can convince oneself that is the case is beyond me |
Appreciate its the Daily Mail, but the response from YCC is extraordinary if this is true:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10151917/One-current-Yorksh | | | |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:56 - Nov 3 with 2084 views | Ryorry |
"ESPN say one person on that (investigating and ruling) panel was also a non-executive member of Yorkshire's board. ..." ​
How on earth can the ECB allow that?! | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 13:03 - Nov 3 with 2038 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:56 - Nov 3 by Ryorry |
"ESPN say one person on that (investigating and ruling) panel was also a non-executive member of Yorkshire's board. ..." ​
How on earth can the ECB allow that?! |
The ECB does need to take strong action here. It sends a message and at the moment the wrong one.
When you consider the no of people in this county who come from a South Asain background, who maybe grew up watching cricket, love the game, the next Moeen, the Next Rashid they are surely thinking is this an organisation I want to represent? Must be off putting to them entering the game.
That goes for Yorkshire especially, there is a big south Asian population for them to draw from, large pool of potential talent right on their doorstep, would you want to play for Yorksn after this? I wouldn't. Axeman Rafiq is I think a Yorkshirman himself and to be subjected to that at his home county is just terrible.
There was also the incident when Essex won the County title of a Muslim player getting soaked in Champagne which I suspect was more about lack or awareness rather than outright racism but still underlines then need for much greater awareness | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 13:07 - Nov 3 with 2028 views | factual_blue |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 13:08 - Nov 3 with 2025 views | Radlett_blue |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 13:03 - Nov 3 by BlueandTruesince82 |
The ECB does need to take strong action here. It sends a message and at the moment the wrong one.
When you consider the no of people in this county who come from a South Asain background, who maybe grew up watching cricket, love the game, the next Moeen, the Next Rashid they are surely thinking is this an organisation I want to represent? Must be off putting to them entering the game.
That goes for Yorkshire especially, there is a big south Asian population for them to draw from, large pool of potential talent right on their doorstep, would you want to play for Yorksn after this? I wouldn't. Axeman Rafiq is I think a Yorkshirman himself and to be subjected to that at his home county is just terrible.
There was also the incident when Essex won the County title of a Muslim player getting soaked in Champagne which I suspect was more about lack or awareness rather than outright racism but still underlines then need for much greater awareness |
As the ECB saw the need to suspend Ollie Robinson for foolish tweets sent when he was a teenager, it's hard to see this episode being ignored, but we are talking out the ECB! | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 13:26 - Nov 3 with 1983 views | Kievthegreat |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 11:14 - Nov 3 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I'm genuinely worried about who the names may be, given that the cover up is so deep on this.
Regardless, the truth must out and Rafiq must be supported.
Currently the stench from this clings to EVERY Yorkshire player, including some very prominent England players, as well as the management and board, so it is also only fair to the players who didn't indulge in the racist abuse that the suspicion is lifted from them. |
Thing is, I worry that if the "senior player" is named, the story becomes about them and them alone, letting YCCC to sweep it's handling of this under the carpet. I think the player should 100% be punished. I mean you have to if stuff like the quote below is even vaguely true:
"The player also admitted to telling other people "don't talk to him [Rafiq], he's a P**i", asking "is that your uncle?" when they saw bearded Asian men and saying "does your dad own those?" in reference to corner shops.
Despite admitting recalling that Rafiq broke down in tears at one point, the player insisted he had no idea he was causing offence and would have stopped if Rafiq had asked."
The issue is far more serious and far bigger now than any one player making comments. There is a coverup with the board and management of YCCC complicit, which shouldn't be allowed to drop out of the lime light because the "Senior Player" has been named. If Rafiq is naming names and telling all, I'd be more interested in the board members and their part in this now. |  | | |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 14:50 - Nov 3 with 1924 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 13:26 - Nov 3 by Kievthegreat |
Thing is, I worry that if the "senior player" is named, the story becomes about them and them alone, letting YCCC to sweep it's handling of this under the carpet. I think the player should 100% be punished. I mean you have to if stuff like the quote below is even vaguely true:
"The player also admitted to telling other people "don't talk to him [Rafiq], he's a P**i", asking "is that your uncle?" when they saw bearded Asian men and saying "does your dad own those?" in reference to corner shops.
Despite admitting recalling that Rafiq broke down in tears at one point, the player insisted he had no idea he was causing offence and would have stopped if Rafiq had asked."
The issue is far more serious and far bigger now than any one player making comments. There is a coverup with the board and management of YCCC complicit, which shouldn't be allowed to drop out of the lime light because the "Senior Player" has been named. If Rafiq is naming names and telling all, I'd be more interested in the board members and their part in this now. |
Many County Cricket Clubs are run in a very old-fashioned and not particularly fit for purpose way. While they appoint Chief Executives (many of whom are very good) to run the commercial side, the Boards can be a throw-back to days gone by and old ways of doing things.
So many institutions revert to "damp it down, let's not make a fuss" as a response to crises, and seek to close down discussion of, or investigation into, genuine problems, whether it be regarding safeguarding and allegations of child abuse, or bullying by management, or, in this case, racism.
It's a misguided reflex action to attempt to lessen reputational damage, which ignores the duty of care towards survivors of abuse, or whistle blowers who seek to support them, sometimes with tragic results, and almost invariably ends up with greater reputational damage in the long run. Chillingly it also creates an environment in which abusers become more brazen, believing that they can act with impunity.
See also Met Police and failings to properly investigate the man who sunsequently murdered Sarah Everard, the BBC and 70s DJs etc etc etc.
Pressure needs to be brought swiftly by the Parliamentary Committee, preferably with an independent inquiry. | | | |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 16:17 - Nov 3 with 1868 views | IpswichKnight |
Certain sympathies with ECB who are still digesting and investing on the basis of it, they did have to threaten legal action to even get a copy, which only arrived last week they are taking advice on whether they can do anything about removing international fixtures from Headingley. | | | |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 17:41 - Nov 3 with 1831 views | Radlett_blue |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 14:50 - Nov 3 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Many County Cricket Clubs are run in a very old-fashioned and not particularly fit for purpose way. While they appoint Chief Executives (many of whom are very good) to run the commercial side, the Boards can be a throw-back to days gone by and old ways of doing things.
So many institutions revert to "damp it down, let's not make a fuss" as a response to crises, and seek to close down discussion of, or investigation into, genuine problems, whether it be regarding safeguarding and allegations of child abuse, or bullying by management, or, in this case, racism.
It's a misguided reflex action to attempt to lessen reputational damage, which ignores the duty of care towards survivors of abuse, or whistle blowers who seek to support them, sometimes with tragic results, and almost invariably ends up with greater reputational damage in the long run. Chillingly it also creates an environment in which abusers become more brazen, believing that they can act with impunity.
See also Met Police and failings to properly investigate the man who sunsequently murdered Sarah Everard, the BBC and 70s DJs etc etc etc.
Pressure needs to be brought swiftly by the Parliamentary Committee, preferably with an independent inquiry. |
Pressure is coming fast with sponsors leaving Yorkshire CCC. Yorkshire Tea & Emerald Group today. | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 18:30 - Nov 3 with 1805 views | RamRob |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 17:41 - Nov 3 by Radlett_blue |
Pressure is coming fast with sponsors leaving Yorkshire CCC. Yorkshire Tea & Emerald Group today. |
Daily Mail have named the alleged player in question, ex England player, born in Zimbabwe. |  |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 18:40 - Nov 3 with 1798 views | Radlett_blue |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 18:30 - Nov 3 by RamRob |
Daily Mail have named the alleged player in question, ex England player, born in Zimbabwe. |
With a Test batting average of 37.45. | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 19:06 - Nov 3 with 1771 views | pointofblue |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 18:30 - Nov 3 by RamRob |
Daily Mail have named the alleged player in question, ex England player, born in Zimbabwe. |
Leaked because too many fingers were starting to point at Root? | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 19:18 - Nov 3 with 1761 views | Ryorry |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 13:26 - Nov 3 by Kievthegreat |
Thing is, I worry that if the "senior player" is named, the story becomes about them and them alone, letting YCCC to sweep it's handling of this under the carpet. I think the player should 100% be punished. I mean you have to if stuff like the quote below is even vaguely true:
"The player also admitted to telling other people "don't talk to him [Rafiq], he's a P**i", asking "is that your uncle?" when they saw bearded Asian men and saying "does your dad own those?" in reference to corner shops.
Despite admitting recalling that Rafiq broke down in tears at one point, the player insisted he had no idea he was causing offence and would have stopped if Rafiq had asked."
The issue is far more serious and far bigger now than any one player making comments. There is a coverup with the board and management of YCCC complicit, which shouldn't be allowed to drop out of the lime light because the "Senior Player" has been named. If Rafiq is naming names and telling all, I'd be more interested in the board members and their part in this now. |
It gets even worse - according to the Torygraph - "Rafiq’s spokesperson has since pointed out that the law firm which oversaw the investigation - Squire Patton Boggs - was a former employer of Yorkshire chairman Roger Hutton. Rafiq had expected the investigation and panel’s report to be completed last Christmas."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2021/11/03/former-england-star-gary-ballance
Whilst the absence of Tests at Headingley would certainly hit YCCC very badly, ie in the pocket, that penalty would also unfortunately hit hundreds of thousands of cricket-loving Yorkshire people very badly :( | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 19:21 - Nov 3 with 1754 views | pointofblue |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 19:18 - Nov 3 by Ryorry |
It gets even worse - according to the Torygraph - "Rafiq’s spokesperson has since pointed out that the law firm which oversaw the investigation - Squire Patton Boggs - was a former employer of Yorkshire chairman Roger Hutton. Rafiq had expected the investigation and panel’s report to be completed last Christmas."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2021/11/03/former-england-star-gary-ballance
Whilst the absence of Tests at Headingley would certainly hit YCCC very badly, ie in the pocket, that penalty would also unfortunately hit hundreds of thousands of cricket-loving Yorkshire people very badly :( |
Play at Headingley but all profits have to go to charity? | |
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| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 19:35 - Nov 3 with 1737 views | RamRob |
| Glad to see this still getting coverage, as Yorkshire Cricket Club on 19:06 - Nov 3 by pointofblue |
Leaked because too many fingers were starting to point at Root? |
Probably, He's also his best mate, so likely Root could be seen as guilty by association or that he laughed along with it | |
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