| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment 16:15 - Nov 6 with 5964 views | gtsb1966 |
Make your own mind up. Listen very carefully. |  | | |  |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 19:16 - Nov 6 with 2577 views | Wacko |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 18:49 - Nov 6 by BlueBadger |
That's not. The bloke calling him a 'black c**t' of other clips on the other hand... |
This is the same recording but much much closer and without commentary over the top. The rhythm is exactly the same. He clearly says "sh!t w@nker".
Edit: same incident sorry, not same recording. [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 19:18]
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 19:41 - Nov 6 with 2515 views | Swansea_Blue |
FWIW, I struggled to make out what he said on the original clip. The second one is much clearer and obviously not racist. But then who knows if either of those are genuine and not been doctored.
Anyway, judging by his voice his balls haven’t dropped, so as he’s been a bit sweary he should get extra homework and grounded for a week. Other than that I don’t see any more in this unless reliable witnesses can confirm he was making racist comments.
He seems like a tw*ttish scrote, but there’s no law against that sadly. |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 20:04 - Nov 6 with 2467 views | TractorCam |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 18:49 - Nov 6 by BlueBadger |
That's not. The bloke calling him a 'black c**t' of other clips on the other hand... |
It's clearly the same kid, and i've now watched the original footage back and I can now hear "sh!t w@nker" which I couldn't hear originally. |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 20:39 - Nov 6 with 2426 views | textbackup |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 16:31 - Nov 6 by BlueBadger |
There are a small group(probably around half a dozen) of cocks at AFC who make it their business to do similar behind every opposition goal at home games. Personally, I suspect the club do very little about them because they generally stick a skinful down in the clubhouse pre and post match. |
exactly what happened in the case with Dyer at the golf club (hintlesham)
Guy that made the remark brings in a fortune. so it was never going to end the way it should have |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 20:42 - Nov 6 with 2407 views | textbackup |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 18:49 - Nov 6 by BlueBadger |
That's not. The bloke calling him a 'black c**t' of other clips on the other hand... |
the clip was the exact situation where the suppose racist remark took place. | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 20:46 - Nov 6 with 2387 views | footers |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 20:39 - Nov 6 by textbackup |
exactly what happened in the case with Dyer at the golf club (hintlesham)
Guy that made the remark brings in a fortune. so it was never going to end the way it should have |
He should have just slept it off in the back of his car, really. |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 20:50 - Nov 6 with 2368 views | dominiciawful |
Certainly unpleasant but the second clip posted in this thread pretty much proves it wasn't racist if you then play back the first clip with it in mind. |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:04 - Nov 6 with 2283 views | borge |
When I listened to the first clip I clearly heard the racist comment. Then when listening again having heard the second clip, I still heard the racist comment.
My wife listened to the second clip first and then could only hear 'sh1t w@nker' in the original clip. Now I listen back once more, I can no longer hear the racist comment. Difficult to know what is said now... | | | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:14 - Nov 6 with 2249 views | ZXBlue |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 18:49 - Nov 6 by BlueBadger |
That's not. The bloke calling him a 'black c**t' of other clips on the other hand... |
Its the same clip but clearer. | | | |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:15 - Nov 6 with 2249 views | Melford |
Is this going to be the new thing now? Everybody watching and listening to every tiny little thing so they can be the first to accuse someone of being racist? Referring to the Tweeter, not you.
Reminds me of a journalist in the 1980s who went to a Millwall Brighton game at the Old Den and writing this piece about how awful the Millwall fans were singing "Sieg Hiel, Sieg Heil" until it was pointed out to them it was Brighton fans singing "Seagulls, Seagulls" |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:18 - Nov 6 with 2241 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Seems as if the keeper felt it was racist.
Interestingly the statement from Sudbury says they will ban the individual indefinitely for the language and abuse regardless of it not having a racist element. |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:23 - Nov 6 with 2216 views | Wacko |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:15 - Nov 6 by Melford |
Is this going to be the new thing now? Everybody watching and listening to every tiny little thing so they can be the first to accuse someone of being racist? Referring to the Tweeter, not you.
Reminds me of a journalist in the 1980s who went to a Millwall Brighton game at the Old Den and writing this piece about how awful the Millwall fans were singing "Sieg Hiel, Sieg Heil" until it was pointed out to them it was Brighton fans singing "Seagulls, Seagulls" |
But then the people who initially made a song and dance about it just slip away and pretend it didn't happen. Responsibility should go both ways | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:24 - Nov 6 with 2203 views | Melford |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 19:06 - Nov 6 by Keno |
Sudbury eh!! It’s like Haverhill without class |
Piss off. I played over Haverhill a few times in goal and I've been spat at and threatened with violence more than once, from teenage kids to blokes in their 60s. I've had them rub the ball in dog sh!t before chucking it back to me when it's gone behind for a goal kick. There was one game where all second half I kept getting hit by little buffet cocktail sausages being chucked at me. | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 23:11 - Nov 6 with 2143 views | GlasgowBlue |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:18 - Nov 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Seems as if the keeper felt it was racist.
Interestingly the statement from Sudbury says they will ban the individual indefinitely for the language and abuse regardless of it not having a racist element. |
If clubs are going to start banning people for calling a goalkeeper a “sh1t w@nker” then the North Stand is going to be very empty. |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 08:43 - Nov 7 with 1997 views | Mullet |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:24 - Nov 6 by Melford |
Piss off. I played over Haverhill a few times in goal and I've been spat at and threatened with violence more than once, from teenage kids to blokes in their 60s. I've had them rub the ball in dog sh!t before chucking it back to me when it's gone behind for a goal kick. There was one game where all second half I kept getting hit by little buffet cocktail sausages being chucked at me. |
I guess you were between the sticks …… |  |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 08:53 - Nov 7 with 1983 views | Mullet |
It’s the keeper I feel sorry for. He’s had to apologise for being upset, when that clip came to light. Since this other footage isolating it the focus has shifted to dismissing racism at games and going after people who condemned it, demanding they all apologise.
Seems like a lesson got lost in tit for tat. | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 09:57 - Nov 7 with 1897 views | Wacko |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 08:53 - Nov 7 by Mullet |
It’s the keeper I feel sorry for. He’s had to apologise for being upset, when that clip came to light. Since this other footage isolating it the focus has shifted to dismissing racism at games and going after people who condemned it, demanding they all apologise.
Seems like a lesson got lost in tit for tat. |
It's not tit for tat, it's a prime example of why cancel culture is so dangerous. People make an accusation asserting that someone says something "categorically racist", and then refuse to allow any discussion of context or alternative evidence, using the bigoted argument of "oh if you disagree you're also racist". This is a rare example of when an incident is proved beyond doubt not to be racist and so in order for all of us who fight racism to have true credibility, we implore the bigoted kneejerkers to hold their hands up and admit their mistake, otherwise they're no better than the gammons on the right. | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 12:09 - Nov 7 with 1798 views | GlasgowBlue |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 08:53 - Nov 7 by Mullet |
It’s the keeper I feel sorry for. He’s had to apologise for being upset, when that clip came to light. Since this other footage isolating it the focus has shifted to dismissing racism at games and going after people who condemned it, demanding they all apologise.
Seems like a lesson got lost in tit for tat. |
Yeah. The poor bloke has ended up in a race storm not of his making. Whoever put the clip out originally should have exhausted every Avenue available to clarify what words were actually said. Not what he thought was said.
And you’re right, it gives people who go out of their way to excuse and trivialise racism a reason to jump on the “there’s no racism” bandwagon.
Back to the bloke who shouted abuse. It doesn’t warrant a ban. He may be a classless pr1ck, but you and I have stood together on enough terraces where the keeper is well within hearing shot, and “sh1t w@nker” is pretty mild.
And it’s not just the keepers. A couple of years ago a section of our fans put up a banner in support of Billy Kee after he admitted suffering mental health issues. Just a year previously a large section of our crowd were fat shaming the same player every time he touched the ball. “Fat c**t” this and “fat c**t” that.
In big stadiums personal abuse doesn’t always get heard by players when it’s coming from a small minority but in the tight grounds it does. And I’d like to hear less of it. | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 12:12 - Nov 7 with 1790 views | leitrimblue |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 22:24 - Nov 6 by Melford |
Piss off. I played over Haverhill a few times in goal and I've been spat at and threatened with violence more than once, from teenage kids to blokes in their 60s. I've had them rub the ball in dog sh!t before chucking it back to me when it's gone behind for a goal kick. There was one game where all second half I kept getting hit by little buffet cocktail sausages being chucked at me. |
It's an old Haverhill tradition to treat the away goalie to a few cocktail sausages. It's a sign of affection, you've just failed to understand the complex culture entwined into everyday Haverhill life. Also you can't blame the spectators if a ball accidentally runs through dog sh1te.... |  | | |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 15:19 - Nov 7 with 1719 views | ronnyd |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 19:06 - Nov 6 by Keno |
Sudbury eh!! It’s like Haverhill without class |
That's quite a stretch. | | | |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 15:28 - Nov 7 with 1687 views | bazza |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 12:09 - Nov 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Yeah. The poor bloke has ended up in a race storm not of his making. Whoever put the clip out originally should have exhausted every Avenue available to clarify what words were actually said. Not what he thought was said.
And you’re right, it gives people who go out of their way to excuse and trivialise racism a reason to jump on the “there’s no racism” bandwagon.
Back to the bloke who shouted abuse. It doesn’t warrant a ban. He may be a classless pr1ck, but you and I have stood together on enough terraces where the keeper is well within hearing shot, and “sh1t w@nker” is pretty mild.
And it’s not just the keepers. A couple of years ago a section of our fans put up a banner in support of Billy Kee after he admitted suffering mental health issues. Just a year previously a large section of our crowd were fat shaming the same player every time he touched the ball. “Fat c**t” this and “fat c**t” that.
In big stadiums personal abuse doesn’t always get heard by players when it’s coming from a small minority but in the tight grounds it does. And I’d like to hear less of it. |
I remember Blackpool away about 10 years ago, and Alan Quinn getting called a useless c unit , right in his ear ive never seen someone take a throw in so quick.. the away fans were right on the line.. I’m sure the lino got it in the ear all game as well. [Post edited 7 Nov 2021 15:29]
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 16:26 - Nov 7 with 1627 views | Mullet |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 09:57 - Nov 7 by Wacko |
It's not tit for tat, it's a prime example of why cancel culture is so dangerous. People make an accusation asserting that someone says something "categorically racist", and then refuse to allow any discussion of context or alternative evidence, using the bigoted argument of "oh if you disagree you're also racist". This is a rare example of when an incident is proved beyond doubt not to be racist and so in order for all of us who fight racism to have true credibility, we implore the bigoted kneejerkers to hold their hands up and admit their mistake, otherwise they're no better than the gammons on the right. |
Shamal George has done just that though..... and there's been loads of discussion and alternative evidence too, otherwise we'd not be at this point would we?
Demanding everyone on social media apologise is exactly tit for tat mentality isn't it? Rather than getting the truth out there, focusing on keeping receipts is why there are so many hurdles to rooting out the scum still embedded in the game.
Hence the recent discussion about the Fashanu chant on here going all a bit granular and away from the core issue. | |
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| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 17:04 - Nov 7 with 1574 views | Wacko |
| AFC Sudbury denying there was a racist comment on 16:26 - Nov 7 by Mullet |
Shamal George has done just that though..... and there's been loads of discussion and alternative evidence too, otherwise we'd not be at this point would we?
Demanding everyone on social media apologise is exactly tit for tat mentality isn't it? Rather than getting the truth out there, focusing on keeping receipts is why there are so many hurdles to rooting out the scum still embedded in the game.
Hence the recent discussion about the Fashanu chant on here going all a bit granular and away from the core issue. |
Like I said this is a rare occurrence where real alternative evidence was provided. And I think every poster should be big enough to admit their mistake yes, otherwise it negates their taking the moral high ground. That's what I meant when I said responsibility goes both ways. In an ideal world people wouldn't be in a position to apologise, they would instead gather the evidence first and make a measured decision before pointing the finger. And in this very small community on here, people being very vocal and then suddenly going awol doesn't set a great example to others watching.
The goalkeeper has behaved fine, my gripe is not with him | |
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