| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. 20:20 - Nov 16 with 4569 views | Ely_Blue |
I mean he can’t defend against anyone physical but he can bring the ball out…………….
Proof if it were needed that he shouldn’t be first choice |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 09:52 - Nov 17 with 571 views | franz_tyson |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 09:34 - Nov 17 by hype313 |
He just needs a run of games, but probably elsewhere like Swindon, and alongside an experienced head next to him.
He's clearly a good player but in the pressure cooker of Town right now we can't really afford to carry people in thier development, best to let him have a good loan somewhere and for him to comeback more polished.
Plenty of other very good players had numerous loans early in thier careers.
Don't think we should just toss him aside due to a few bad games and mistakes. |
I think he needs to get out on loan.
He has gone backwards over the last 18 months.
There’s a lot of talk of him needing an experienced player beside him. For me, that’s says a lot and he’s got to take his chance whoever he plays beside. Note that McGuiness is the rookie beside Woolf last year and who apparently set Woolf backwards but is now playing at a higher level in the Championship.
Don’t think it’s a good sign to say he needs someone experienced next to him to advise him and to hold his hand …. a big, nasty CF would smell that a mile away and just bully him.
Needs a fresh start. |  | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:02 - Nov 17 with 546 views | itfcjoe |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 09:34 - Nov 17 by hype313 |
He just needs a run of games, but probably elsewhere like Swindon, and alongside an experienced head next to him.
He's clearly a good player but in the pressure cooker of Town right now we can't really afford to carry people in thier development, best to let him have a good loan somewhere and for him to comeback more polished.
Plenty of other very good players had numerous loans early in thier careers.
Don't think we should just toss him aside due to a few bad games and mistakes. |
He's good enough to play here, he will probably just have to bide his time and wait for an opportunity as managers don't like to chop and change at the back - especially when goals conceded are low.
I do think people overthink Woolfie's developmet - he's proved to be a capable League 1 defender - even last season when he had a down season it's not like he couldn't cope and made loads of mistakes. Defensively the team was decent whoever played, but it was obvious to anyone that McGuinness was the wrong partner for him as was so raw.
Toto is in the team and deserves to stay there, if he were to get injured or sent off and miss 3-5 games I wouldn't at all be worried about Woolf coming in alongside Edmundson - being protected by Morsy and with Walton behind them.
I think Woolf has the higher ceiling of him, Burgess and Toto - and if we can get him working alongside Edmundson then it would be beneficial, but if Cook doesn't really rate him then he is the most saleable asset and hopefully we can bring someone in who can move us forwards alongside Edmundson into the Championship as don't see that in Burgess or Nsiala |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:05 - Nov 17 with 542 views | DavoIPB |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 20:47 - Nov 16 by blueislander |
The first name on the team sheet should be Walton! |
Second should be Burgess and third Bonne, other than that it's a bit of a free for all. | | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:21 - Nov 17 with 526 views | franz_tyson |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:02 - Nov 17 by itfcjoe |
He's good enough to play here, he will probably just have to bide his time and wait for an opportunity as managers don't like to chop and change at the back - especially when goals conceded are low.
I do think people overthink Woolfie's developmet - he's proved to be a capable League 1 defender - even last season when he had a down season it's not like he couldn't cope and made loads of mistakes. Defensively the team was decent whoever played, but it was obvious to anyone that McGuinness was the wrong partner for him as was so raw.
Toto is in the team and deserves to stay there, if he were to get injured or sent off and miss 3-5 games I wouldn't at all be worried about Woolf coming in alongside Edmundson - being protected by Morsy and with Walton behind them.
I think Woolf has the higher ceiling of him, Burgess and Toto - and if we can get him working alongside Edmundson then it would be beneficial, but if Cook doesn't really rate him then he is the most saleable asset and hopefully we can bring someone in who can move us forwards alongside Edmundson into the Championship as don't see that in Burgess or Nsiala |
How saleable would Woolf be? I can’t see we’d get much for him. It seems a long time since the Sheffield U interest and he’s been more out of the side than in since then.
If Toto gets dropped or injured, I think Burgess is the next cab on the rank. I’d like to see a CB come in January, probably meaning one of the CB’ has to go. Obvious one being Woolf. And if Woolf hangs around here not playing, Ndaba will come back from his loan and leapfrog Woolf.
I do think a fresh start and a new environment would do him good. Needs to be playing regularly. | | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:57 - Nov 17 with 490 views | Herbivore |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:05 - Nov 17 by DavoIPB |
Second should be Burgess and third Bonne, other than that it's a bit of a free for all. |
Burgess? |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:13 - Nov 17 with 473 views | itfcjoe |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:21 - Nov 17 by franz_tyson |
How saleable would Woolf be? I can’t see we’d get much for him. It seems a long time since the Sheffield U interest and he’s been more out of the side than in since then.
If Toto gets dropped or injured, I think Burgess is the next cab on the rank. I’d like to see a CB come in January, probably meaning one of the CB’ has to go. Obvious one being Woolf. And if Woolf hangs around here not playing, Ndaba will come back from his loan and leapfrog Woolf.
I do think a fresh start and a new environment would do him good. Needs to be playing regularly. |
More saleable than Burgess and Toto all things considered would be my view....!
I'd be interested what were to happen if Toto drops out, Edmundson seems so much better on the left, and Burgess has been distinctively unimpressive. I think it probably would be Burgess but it would be a close call.
Cook wanted shot of him in the summer, but due to the rules we kept him as having an academy player helps with the league rules - if we do get shot of him do we promote Kenlock in and send Coulson back and just let Clements, Penney and Kenlock battle it out whilst keeping the homegrown player into the named 25 man squad? Other option is Ben Morris who seems a way off currently | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:26 - Nov 17 with 444 views | franz_tyson |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:13 - Nov 17 by itfcjoe |
More saleable than Burgess and Toto all things considered would be my view....!
I'd be interested what were to happen if Toto drops out, Edmundson seems so much better on the left, and Burgess has been distinctively unimpressive. I think it probably would be Burgess but it would be a close call.
Cook wanted shot of him in the summer, but due to the rules we kept him as having an academy player helps with the league rules - if we do get shot of him do we promote Kenlock in and send Coulson back and just let Clements, Penney and Kenlock battle it out whilst keeping the homegrown player into the named 25 man squad? Other option is Ben Morris who seems a way off currently |
Just skimmed through some line-ups this season.
From line-ups against Bolton, Wycombe and Accrington I can’t see any academy player in the 18 ( ie No Woolf or El Miz).
What exactly are the requirements to have club developed players in the squad ?
Edit: just seen reference to 25 man squad. So we need one club developed player in the initial squad whether they’re picked in the last 18? If that’s the case, should be easy to find an academy player who doesn’t have to be considered for the 18. [Post edited 17 Nov 2021 11:35]
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:34 - Nov 17 with 435 views | itfcjoe |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:26 - Nov 17 by franz_tyson |
Just skimmed through some line-ups this season.
From line-ups against Bolton, Wycombe and Accrington I can’t see any academy player in the 18 ( ie No Woolf or El Miz).
What exactly are the requirements to have club developed players in the squad ?
Edit: just seen reference to 25 man squad. So we need one club developed player in the initial squad whether they’re picked in the last 18? If that’s the case, should be easy to find an academy player who doesn’t have to be considered for the 18. [Post edited 17 Nov 2021 11:35]
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If you have one named in your squad - i.e. an over 21 year old from the academy - then you don't need to name one in the mnatchday 18.
If you don't have one in the named squad, then you do have to.
Someone like El Mizouni and Clements are too young to be named in the squad so only players on the books who could fill the slot are Woolfie, Kenlock and Ben Morris - plus possibly Dobra but I haven't checked him | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:41 - Nov 17 with 421 views | franz_tyson |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:34 - Nov 17 by itfcjoe |
If you have one named in your squad - i.e. an over 21 year old from the academy - then you don't need to name one in the mnatchday 18.
If you don't have one in the named squad, then you do have to.
Someone like El Mizouni and Clements are too young to be named in the squad so only players on the books who could fill the slot are Woolfie, Kenlock and Ben Morris - plus possibly Dobra but I haven't checked him |
Thanks.. makes sense now.
Dobra would be too young… only 20.
Ndaba if he was here would be eligible …. by a week.
I guess if you get rid of Norwood, Jackson, Nolan and maybe Coulsen that frees up squad spaces for senior players and you could bring in Kenlock as a registered player. | | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:26 - Nov 17 with 395 views | jayessess |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 11:34 - Nov 17 by itfcjoe |
If you have one named in your squad - i.e. an over 21 year old from the academy - then you don't need to name one in the mnatchday 18.
If you don't have one in the named squad, then you do have to.
Someone like El Mizouni and Clements are too young to be named in the squad so only players on the books who could fill the slot are Woolfie, Kenlock and Ben Morris - plus possibly Dobra but I haven't checked him |
Not quite sure of the rules here, but could you not just name El Mizouni in the squad (regardless of age), so as to avoid any requirements on the match day 18?
Doing so would reduce our squad depth by 1, but as it stands we've got Norwood, Nolan and Jackson on that list, who haven't played a single minute between them since Bolton in September? |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:35 - Nov 17 with 382 views | DavoIPB |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 10:57 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
Burgess? |
Correction - Edmundson | | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:38 - Nov 17 with 379 views | DavoIPB |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:24 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
If we're getting to the point where Edmundson is a necessity then surely Morsy is too? Strikes me as odd we didn't give him a break and start with Woolfenden and Burgess.
As I said elsewhere, perhaps January will be the moment to let Woolfenden go (loan or sale) and we bring in another centre back. |
We needed Edmundson in there to win the game otherwise we would have lost. | | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:51 - Nov 17 with 368 views | franz_tyson |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:26 - Nov 17 by jayessess |
Not quite sure of the rules here, but could you not just name El Mizouni in the squad (regardless of age), so as to avoid any requirements on the match day 18?
Doing so would reduce our squad depth by 1, but as it stands we've got Norwood, Nolan and Jackson on that list, who haven't played a single minute between them since Bolton in September? |
From what I understand from Joe is we don’t have to have an academy player in the 18 as long as we have a over 21 year oldr club developed player in the senior squad of 22 outfield players + 3 GK’s. The only ones that fit that category at the club are Woolf, Morriss and Kenlock. But Woolf is the only one registered in the 22 squad.
So if we offload some players in Jan we could free up space and include Morriss and/or Kenlock in the 22. And we wouldn’t rely on Woolf or El Mizouni being in the 18. I think….
Corrie Ndaba would fit that category, but hes on loan. | | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:57 - Nov 17 with 359 views | itfcjoe |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:26 - Nov 17 by jayessess |
Not quite sure of the rules here, but could you not just name El Mizouni in the squad (regardless of age), so as to avoid any requirements on the match day 18?
Doing so would reduce our squad depth by 1, but as it stands we've got Norwood, Nolan and Jackson on that list, who haven't played a single minute between them since Bolton in September? |
No, you can't name them which means that you'd have to have one on the bench for each game or name just 6 subs | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:58 - Nov 17 with 356 views | Kieran_Knows |
As I've just said on another thread, I wonder if Chris Wilder will come back in for him now he's at Middlesbrough? If Shef U valued him at £3m a couple of January's back, his stock has certainly fallen since then, I wonder if Wilder feels like he may be able to get him on the cheap? |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 16:02 - Nov 17 with 297 views | Dennyx4 |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 12:58 - Nov 17 by Kieran_Knows |
As I've just said on another thread, I wonder if Chris Wilder will come back in for him now he's at Middlesbrough? If Shef U valued him at £3m a couple of January's back, his stock has certainly fallen since then, I wonder if Wilder feels like he may be able to get him on the cheap? |
With us needing him in the squad to allow flexibility for 7 subs (not using an academy player) - I really can't see us letting him go in January.
I think it is far more likely for Woolf to be off in the summer, as El Mizouni could then take his place in the squad (assuming rules are still the same). |  | | |
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