| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. 20:20 - Nov 16 with 4570 views | Ely_Blue |
I mean he can’t defend against anyone physical but he can bring the ball out…………….
Proof if it were needed that he shouldn’t be first choice |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:24 - Nov 16 with 1100 views | pointofblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:21 - Nov 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or more likely Edmondson is first choice and the organiser that the defence needs. Nsiala is the top of the choices to play alongside him and has cemented his place in the side. Woolfenden and Burgess given a half each to keep fit and give Nsiala a rest. Maybe even Burgess only came on because Woolfenden was playing poorly or might have picked up a knock. |
If we're getting to the point where Edmundson is a necessity then surely Morsy is too? Strikes me as odd we didn't give him a break and start with Woolfenden and Burgess.
As I said elsewhere, perhaps January will be the moment to let Woolfenden go (loan or sale) and we bring in another centre back. |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:35 - Nov 16 with 1079 views | Keaneish |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:20 - Nov 16 by Yallop |
By that reasoning Morsy, Bonne and Evans places aren't secure either |
By your logic, you’re putting Toto in the same bracket of squad dependency and quality as Morsy, Bonne and Evans! |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:37 - Nov 16 with 1069 views | Keaneish |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:21 - Nov 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or more likely Edmondson is first choice and the organiser that the defence needs. Nsiala is the top of the choices to play alongside him and has cemented his place in the side. Woolfenden and Burgess given a half each to keep fit and give Nsiala a rest. Maybe even Burgess only came on because Woolfenden was playing poorly or might have picked up a knock. |
Toto is clearly first pick at the moment but he’s only a weak hamstring pull away from missing out so yeah, I make the rotation point you made about right. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:40 - Nov 16 with 1045 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:24 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
If we're getting to the point where Edmundson is a necessity then surely Morsy is too? Strikes me as odd we didn't give him a break and start with Woolfenden and Burgess.
As I said elsewhere, perhaps January will be the moment to let Woolfenden go (loan or sale) and we bring in another centre back. |
El Mizouni had shown he can do the job without Morsy alongside him.
If we had played a defence without Edmondson tonight we would have lost. |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:42 - Nov 16 with 1037 views | pointofblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:40 - Nov 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
El Mizouni had shown he can do the job without Morsy alongside him.
If we had played a defence without Edmondson tonight we would have lost. |
Second half sounds slightly more controlled than the first half. Simply having Burgess there or a few more tweaks on top of that? | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:43 - Nov 16 with 1029 views | Vic |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 20:29 - Nov 16 by Herbivore |
Literally nobody has said he should be first name on the teamsheet. |
Ooo touchy! |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:44 - Nov 16 with 1023 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:42 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
Second half sounds slightly more controlled than the first half. Simply having Burgess there or a few more tweaks on top of that? |
Not sure how much that was the case. Would have to have watched. Woolfenden made a mistake for the goal first half. Burgess made a mistake second half that Edmondson covered for. Sounded a fairly even match throughout on the radio won by a good goal. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:45 - Nov 16 with 1004 views | pointofblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:44 - Nov 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Not sure how much that was the case. Would have to have watched. Woolfenden made a mistake for the goal first half. Burgess made a mistake second half that Edmondson covered for. Sounded a fairly even match throughout on the radio won by a good goal. |
Burgess, Nsiala and Woolfenden all have errors in them... on the flip side we are in League One. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:46 - Nov 16 with 1004 views | Vic |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 20:56 - Nov 16 by Herbivore |
Can you name me one poster who has said Woolfenden should be the first name on the teamsheet? If you can't then pipe the fook down. |
I think you well know what he means! | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:50 - Nov 16 with 986 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:45 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
Burgess, Nsiala and Woolfenden all have errors in them... on the flip side we are in League One. |
They do but I think Nsiala much less so than the other two. People put too much weight on the clangers he made in his first season. He has been much better since. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:53 - Nov 16 with 975 views | pointofblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:50 - Nov 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
They do but I think Nsiala much less so than the other two. People put too much weight on the clangers he made in his first season. He has been much better since. |
To an extent - what we really need to find is Edmundson mark II but easier said than done. I think the only Hurst/Lambert signing to get back 'on side' with the fans is Donacien. Maybe KVY if he can get match fit and firing. Those clangers in the first season will live in minds for a while.
What doesn't help is Woolfenden has gone backwards. Two seasons ago he was probably second choice; now he's lucky to be fourth. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:01 - Nov 16 with 947 views | Vic |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:53 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
To an extent - what we really need to find is Edmundson mark II but easier said than done. I think the only Hurst/Lambert signing to get back 'on side' with the fans is Donacien. Maybe KVY if he can get match fit and firing. Those clangers in the first season will live in minds for a while.
What doesn't help is Woolfenden has gone backwards. Two seasons ago he was probably second choice; now he's lucky to be fourth. |
Woolf looked total class when he first came into the team. But like so many of the other youth players over the last few years he sadly hasn’t kicked on, but rather to has gone backwards. Now seems bereft of confidence. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:12 - Nov 16 with 905 views | pointofblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:01 - Nov 16 by Vic |
Woolf looked total class when he first came into the team. But like so many of the other youth players over the last few years he sadly hasn’t kicked on, but rather to has gone backwards. Now seems bereft of confidence. |
I think last season did him a lot of damage - another year of learning under an experienced leader at centre back would have done him a world of good, as shown by his development in 19/20. Instead, for the most part, he got partnered with someone who had never played a league game before joining us, and he struggled.
First team football for us seems too much for him at the moment but I have no idea how he'll get that confidence back, or if he ever will. At least with us. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:14 - Nov 16 with 902 views | Vic |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:12 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
I think last season did him a lot of damage - another year of learning under an experienced leader at centre back would have done him a world of good, as shown by his development in 19/20. Instead, for the most part, he got partnered with someone who had never played a league game before joining us, and he struggled.
First team football for us seems too much for him at the moment but I have no idea how he'll get that confidence back, or if he ever will. At least with us. |
100% agree with all of that. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:20 - Nov 16 with 880 views | itfcjoe |
Funny how people can make such strong opinions on a game they done even watch.
When I say funny I actually mean laughable |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:27 - Nov 16 with 846 views | itfcsuth |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:12 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
I think last season did him a lot of damage - another year of learning under an experienced leader at centre back would have done him a world of good, as shown by his development in 19/20. Instead, for the most part, he got partnered with someone who had never played a league game before joining us, and he struggled.
First team football for us seems too much for him at the moment but I have no idea how he'll get that confidence back, or if he ever will. At least with us. |
A loan at Swindon really helped him in his development. But has fallen away significantly in the past 18-24 months.
A loan could work again, although would prefer a sale and find a better option in the market. [Post edited 16 Nov 2021 22:28]
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:31 - Nov 16 with 828 views | pointofblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:27 - Nov 16 by itfcsuth |
A loan at Swindon really helped him in his development. But has fallen away significantly in the past 18-24 months.
A loan could work again, although would prefer a sale and find a better option in the market. [Post edited 16 Nov 2021 22:28]
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Agree, the Swindon loan coupled with the experience alongside Wilson in 19/20 propelled him forwards. He does need to play consistentlyl to basically either sink or swim but he's not getting it here.
The big issue is he's our one academy player in the squad; if we sell or loan him out we'll have to put an 'underage' academy player on the bench instead, meaning (another) one of the summer signings would miss out on the 18. | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:39 - Nov 16 with 797 views | positivity |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:31 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
Agree, the Swindon loan coupled with the experience alongside Wilson in 19/20 propelled him forwards. He does need to play consistentlyl to basically either sink or swim but he's not getting it here.
The big issue is he's our one academy player in the squad; if we sell or loan him out we'll have to put an 'underage' academy player on the bench instead, meaning (another) one of the summer signings would miss out on the 18. |
el miz isn't doing badly, or clements, or we could promote kenlock... | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:45 - Nov 16 with 787 views | pointofblue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:39 - Nov 16 by positivity |
el miz isn't doing badly, or clements, or we could promote kenlock... |
Can't see why we would promote Kenlock with Coulson, Penney and Clements ahead of him in the pecking order. No issue with El Miz, but long term whose place does he take in the squad? | |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 23:03 - Nov 16 with 764 views | positivity |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 22:45 - Nov 16 by pointofblue |
Can't see why we would promote Kenlock with Coulson, Penney and Clements ahead of him in the pecking order. No issue with El Miz, but long term whose place does he take in the squad? |
just saying we don't have to rely on wolf as clements and/or el miz will be in most matchday squads on merit.
kenlock's not going to happen, but *if* coulson goes back *and* wolf gets loaned out, i could see him being promoted just to cover the efl rule. (from tonight's squad, i wonder if kenlock's overtaken penney though!)
as for whose place el miz takes in the long term? i'd say carroll [Post edited 16 Nov 2021 23:04]
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 23:12 - Nov 16 with 755 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 20:36 - Nov 16 by BlueBadger |
Give it a rest, Mach. |
You Do Have Real Concerns, don't you?
Leave the football debate for the people who watch ITFC games. Better stick to repeating the same 'jokes' 2500 times. |  | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 23:36 - Nov 16 with 726 views | Battersea_Blue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:21 - Nov 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or more likely Edmondson is first choice and the organiser that the defence needs. Nsiala is the top of the choices to play alongside him and has cemented his place in the side. Woolfenden and Burgess given a half each to keep fit and give Nsiala a rest. Maybe even Burgess only came on because Woolfenden was playing poorly or might have picked up a knock. |
Wolf was also booked in the first half. That may also have had a bearing on him coming off. | | | |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 09:12 - Nov 17 with 614 views | ArnieM |
We NEED another quality CB in January . Up until Clements full debut Id have also said another left back, but not anymore.
On other matters …..
For Saturday’s game I would like to see an attacking midfield three of Fraser…Chaplin…Burns ( although Burns seems to have gone off the boil slightly in the last two games now).
In an ideal world on some occasions it’d also be nice to see a tweak of formation so that we can have Pigott and Bonne up front together. There’s a really good player in there as regards Pigott and I think playing him in a striker partnership would get him firing up again. |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 09:34 - Nov 17 with 582 views | hype313 |
He just needs a run of games, but probably elsewhere like Swindon, and alongside an experienced head next to him.
He's clearly a good player but in the pressure cooker of Town right now we can't really afford to carry people in thier development, best to let him have a good loan somewhere and for him to comeback more polished.
Plenty of other very good players had numerous loans early in thier careers.
Don't think we should just toss him aside due to a few bad games and mistakes. |  |
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| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 09:52 - Nov 17 with 565 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| That Woolfenden should be first choice centre back…….. on 21:05 - Nov 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That is not a thread calling for Woolfenden let alone saying he should be the first name on the team sheet. It is one criticising Nsiala. In it most comments defend Nsiala and point out that some pick up on every minor mistake from him while ignoring those from our other defenders.
This thread is one criticising Woolfenden for his mistakes. No one seems to have jumped in saying that he doesn't make them. However, several of us are pointing out that your premise that people are calling for him to be the first name on the team sheet is clearly wrong.
All defenders make mistakes. Nsiala seems to get more criticism than he deserves (I think possibly because he made far too many major ones in his first season here). You should have simply left it there and not made up stuff about people saying Woolfenden should be the first name on the team sheet. |
As you say it is about how particular players are treated. Nsiala is under the microscope and gets crucified for every minor mistake by some people whereas others (mainly Woolfenden) get away with their poor performances.
Look at the Oldham goal from last night and how easily Woolfenden lost the battle for the ball from the corner with their player. Had it been Nsiala he would have been bashed by some. Moreover, Nsiala might have drag their player down. Imagine the whine on here about Toto giving away a penalty.
Woolfenden is like a boy among men. He has no courage for the physical battles (total contrary to Toto) and no wonder his progress has stalled. It's a shame as he was such a promising player in his early days and his loan spell at Swindon was profitable. That's why best and saving option for him would be to go out on loan come January (some top half League Two club) and learn the game again. That would/should benefit him and ITFC alike. [Post edited 17 Nov 2021 9:53]
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