| Question for anyone who's Cook Out 08:33 - Nov 24 with 2673 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
For all those wanting Cook Out, are you basing that on this season alone or including what happened end of last season too?
Genuinely interested to know. |  | | |  |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:16 - Nov 24 with 586 views | timothyeo |
Since he first joined. That's when the club started paying him, and they didn't start paying him to make us worse. | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:21 - Nov 24 with 581 views | itfc_stow |
Basing it on everything.
1.basically binned last season without really giving it a go, no wonder players gave up when the manager does.
2. Shambles of a coaching set up, franny jeffers coaching the defence says it all.
3. Stubbornly sticking on his formation, we are very easy to set up against.
4. Bad in game management (as above), last night prime example, go 2-0 down and swaps a left back for another left back. Wtf!
Nice guy, but if things don’t improve very quickly he needs to go as that was very poor and we could waste a huge opportunity with our new owners. | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:21 - Nov 24 with 582 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:06 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
Consider this - notably on your last point. How many of the current squad have played under Cook before, with each other and in this system.
I was never a 100 points 100 goals person at the start of this season. But I would have expected us to be at least in the play-offs with this squad and looking like we knew what we were trying to do.
As I say, we haven't managed more than a couple of wins on the bounce under Cook, regardless of who he's had at his disposal.
To your question:
Would people still want him out if we had employed him in the summer after he'd had that same record with another team?
I, like many, want to see him succeed but he's been backed and we have a squad that is mad for L1 and should be doing way, way better. So, the answer I think is what we are seeing here. Many are now questioning him and his coaching team and I think that would be the same, irrespective of last year. When you add last year in - it only makes it worse. |
When only looking at players coming in in the summer:
Played under Cook before: 4
Played together: 3 (although one of those is Walton)
In a 4231: your guess is as good as mine
So not really that many (assuming I haven't missed any....quite possible).
I'm just genuinely intrigued to gauge the thoughts of those who want PC out. | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:22 - Nov 24 with 577 views | wkj |
Since he joined, although this season impacts my Cook out coefficient more than last season. |  |
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| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:22 - Nov 24 with 579 views | LeoMuff |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 08:55 - Nov 24 by DanTheMan |
But Lambert got them winning games is my point.
The ageing lot dropping down a division isn't a big surprise, especially the ones with families who went to Colchester.
Two of our midfielders went to the division above. Edwards stayed in this division, as did Wilson. It's a mixed bag in my mind. |
Lambert didn’t go in saying you need to up your levels and training, they basically downed tools for Cook and only very few were up to standard.
Last season was a completely free hit for me, he had to ask those questions to see who was worth keeping and the answer was not a lot, unfortunate that Cook was put in that position really as it has made his tenure much more tricky. |  |
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| Take your pick.... on 09:29 - Nov 24 with 557 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Take your pick.... on 09:07 - Nov 24 by Bloots |
.....either way it works out the same.
The real question should be what are the "Cook Inners" basing their views on.
it cant be anything other than blind faith and hope. |
This.
It’s like conspiracy theorists asking us to prove their mad theories, but not considering we might be sane.
Time doesn’t cut it. Not half-way through a season with a squad built to blow away L1 (in our owner’s words) |  | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:29 - Nov 24 with 554 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:21 - Nov 24 by itfc_stow |
Basing it on everything.
1.basically binned last season without really giving it a go, no wonder players gave up when the manager does.
2. Shambles of a coaching set up, franny jeffers coaching the defence says it all.
3. Stubbornly sticking on his formation, we are very easy to set up against.
4. Bad in game management (as above), last night prime example, go 2-0 down and swaps a left back for another left back. Wtf!
Nice guy, but if things don’t improve very quickly he needs to go as that was very poor and we could waste a huge opportunity with our new owners. |
In response to your points:
1. Chicken and egg situation a bit for me. Is it the managers fault for not getting the players going, or the players fault for not bothering to try and impress the new manager in an attempt to stay at the club in the long term?
2. Agree, seems very muddled.
3. We knew before he even arrived that this is what he does. Rightly or wrongly, he's wedded to his 4231. It's worked for him everywhere else he's been.
4. Agree to an extent. He needs to react quicker in games, and to how the game is going. In regards to last night, the "LB for a LB" is a very simplistic way of looking at it as he changed entire left side and we did look a little more threatening down that side after the change (if only very marginally). | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:30 - Nov 24 with 554 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
This season.
The only good thing Cook has done was to kick them out of the club last May. They failed to deliver for three managers and that's very telling. No effort, no desire, no hunger the pitch. It can't be the managers fault solely.
Cook has got everything every manager would dream of this season. Backing of the owners, big squad. Obsessed with one formation, the teams easily suss us out, we are very predictable, there is a gulf between us and top 2. Enough is enough. Can't defend him anymore. |  | | |
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| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:32 - Nov 24 with 528 views | textbackup |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:30 - Nov 24 by Mach_foreignBlue |
This season.
The only good thing Cook has done was to kick them out of the club last May. They failed to deliver for three managers and that's very telling. No effort, no desire, no hunger the pitch. It can't be the managers fault solely.
Cook has got everything every manager would dream of this season. Backing of the owners, big squad. Obsessed with one formation, the teams easily suss us out, we are very predictable, there is a gulf between us and top 2. Enough is enough. Can't defend him anymore. |
yeah, thats where im at.
we put on piggott to help out up top and didnt get a single cross in. 8000 step overs and passed back to morsy. |  |
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| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:34 - Nov 24 with 528 views | itfcserbia |
I genuinely only base it on this season (although I'm not forgetting the last one). I have posted his score from this season in the poll thread and it's a condemning stat. But more worryingly is that after 5 months he still has no idea who to play where (except for Burns) and what he wants from a no.10 within the only system he wants to play and has played for years and years. Anyone who played the game knows 5 months is a very reasonable amount of time to start showing the works of a system.
The formation he is forcing works as a pentagon with double sixes (Evans-Morsy) at the base and a forward (Bonne) at the tip of the shape. So a no.10 should be at the center of that pentagon shape working triangles to open space and dictate play but Cook somehow insists his no.10 plays off the main striker. So you keep pulling up your sixes into an overcrowded midfield and consequently reducing space on the wings for your backs and outside players who don't cut inside. It's baffling to me... It's a mess. And this is not about just last night's game this happens over and over again... |  |
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| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:34 - Nov 24 with 526 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:32 - Nov 24 by textbackup |
yeah, thats where im at.
we put on piggott to help out up top and didnt get a single cross in. 8000 step overs and passed back to morsy. |
Yep, 20+ goals striker who gets 5-10 mins every now and then and that's when we are losing. | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:37 - Nov 24 with 516 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:34 - Nov 24 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yep, 20+ goals striker who gets 5-10 mins every now and then and that's when we are losing. |
So do you want him to just change to 2 up top, or to replace Bonne? | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:38 - Nov 24 with 508 views | textbackup |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:34 - Nov 24 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yep, 20+ goals striker who gets 5-10 mins every now and then and that's when we are losing. |
been really unfair on him hasnt he, i get it, when bonne was flying you cant drop him obviously, but that situation should have been managed so much better | |
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| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:40 - Nov 24 with 504 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:37 - Nov 24 by only_one_sir_bobby |
So do you want him to just change to 2 up top, or to replace Bonne? |
To be flexible in terms of tactic/formation. Not obsessed with the one. | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:42 - Nov 24 with 501 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:38 - Nov 24 by textbackup |
been really unfair on him hasnt he, i get it, when bonne was flying you cant drop him obviously, but that situation should have been managed so much better |
But he can't keep playing one striker every single game. Sometimes he needs to tweak the things. | | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 09:44 - Nov 24 with 488 views | TheGentlemanViking |
I'm not "Cook Out" as such, but I am basing my feelings on him entirely on this season. I'm not excusing his poor form last season, that was an utter shambles, but this is his team with his identity and his coaching staff.
He seems to have an arrogance and a lack of respect for our opposition, he never really tailors our team to suit who we're playing, insisting that his players and playing style will win over anybody, which simply isn't the case. His style of play requires flying full backs, wingers hugging the touchline and the number 10 to really sit in just behind the striker, it was clear from the starting 11 yesterday that we didn't have the players for this, yet we still tried to play the same way, with obvious results. No width, no movement, no drive and aside from Morsy and Edmundson we are incredibly lightweight.
We lump it up to Bonne to flick on at every opportunity but last night he was well and truly shackled, never managed to get in front of his man and even if he could there was nobody around him, it was just ridiculous. Stuff like this lands squarely on Cook and his (in my opinion, woefully inexperienced and inadequate) coaching staff.
I really hope he can turn it around and get this team at the very least competing consistently. If not I fear he may not last much longer. Over the last 10 years we've kept numerous managers well beyond their time and now with this new level of investment, the fans back on side and season ticket sales through the roof I think the new owners will be ruthless, the last thing they want is the fans turning on them this early. |  | | |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 10:24 - Nov 24 with 462 views | itfcjoe |
Both - his performance was abysmal last season, with maybe some caveats in palce, but it has been equally as abysmal this season with no caveats.
A good manager works with what they have, he refused to do that last year, and even now when he has had the pick of the market in League 1 he can't do it this year.
There isn't a single manager in this division doing a worse job than him currently - the thought of giving him more money to spend in january is just bonkers |  |
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| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 10:32 - Nov 24 with 451 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 10:24 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
Both - his performance was abysmal last season, with maybe some caveats in palce, but it has been equally as abysmal this season with no caveats.
A good manager works with what they have, he refused to do that last year, and even now when he has had the pick of the market in League 1 he can't do it this year.
There isn't a single manager in this division doing a worse job than him currently - the thought of giving him more money to spend in january is just bonkers |
Hard to disagree with your assessment, difficult to see him changing his approach so I guess the sooner he goes the better it will be for everyone. |  |
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| Question for anyone who's Cook Out on 11:22 - Nov 24 with 424 views | CopfordBlue |
The 8 months he’s been here. Man management with the squad he inherited was atrocious. He’s no better with “his” players. | |
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