| Cards on the table time. 17:52 - Dec 4 with 3831 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I'm disappointed.
Disappointed with the players, who I thought were better.
Disappointed with the manager, who I thought was better.
I'm disappointed for the owners, who I think are better.
But I'm also disappointed with the fan base, many of who have become someone completely different from what I am used to seeing as fellow Town fans.
We give our managers time and all of that stuff, except not any more.
The discontent started after 6 weeks or so this time, "Why is he talking about the players like that" etc. etc. and now, after a disappointing start to the season its now 9 months in and the level of vociferousness that many on this board are using to criticise Cook directly is borderline abusive.
That's not us. That's not what Ipswich do. No doubt, someone will be along imminently to tell me, "If you don't like it, put them on ignore".
No.
So what now. Change the manager? Again? He gets his own players, Celina et al are sent back from their loans, another 10 new players? And then what if that doesn't work? Get rid of him too?
And then what?
And repeat, ad nauseam.
So we give Cook another window, to get it right, if we don't, all we are doing is giving a new manager a window to get it right, and they might not. I doubt we will go up now anyway, so why bother with such mammoth change now? We may as well hope Cook shows that his career at Chesterfield, Portsmouth and Wigan wasn't a fluke and have a good 2nd half to the season ready to go next year.
If on the other hand we get to the end of the season, and we finish in mid table, that is the time for Cook to go, but not now. Let's be Ipswich Town and do it the right way, not 'Chequebook FC'.
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:06 - Dec 4 with 623 views | Churchman |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:53 - Dec 4 by HARRY10 |
2but not now. Let's be Ipswich Town and do it the right way, not 'Chequebook FC'"
What utter nonsense. A mindset that has held us back for decades now. Yes, we were very successful - for ten years. That's all, ten years. We have done feck all since.
I'm not for sacking the manager under normal circumstances. Not because it is not 'the Ipswich way' (whatever that is supposed to mean). But because it can take a fair while to rebuild a squad. Lose failing players and replace them with others. But Cook has had the opportunity to do that. He's been able to replace pretty much the whole squad, and the back room staff. To what end. We are way off what Lambert was achieving (27 points to 36 points). The defeats have not always been against the better teams either. It has been the poor results v Newport County, Oldham and Cheltenham.
Too many times Cook has come up short. Too many times we have had to listen to whinging post match comments. Yet these are the players signed by Cook.
However, it won't be the fans who remove Cook. Because despite your claims to the contrary we are 'chequebook fc'. Or Phoenix Rising, Gamechanger or what ever variation you wish to use. As it will be them who decide whether we string this out, or not. |
The football club wasn’t in the league until just before the war. Not long after the war Ramsey took us to the league championship over 5 or 6 years. Robson gave us about 10 brilliant years. Burley gave us 4 or 5 great seasons, bung in 2 from Royle and 1 from MM and I make that 20+ at a conservative estimate. And before we start on cup games, remind me which lower division teams we took to the cleaners under Mick or Lambert. We didn’t. A healthy dose of humiliation every year, not just this one.
Cook has come up short, but before we lay the failings of the past 14 years on him, perspective says he’s had 3 months of another bloke’s deadbeats and 4 months of his own mess ups |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:08 - Dec 4 with 621 views | Herbivore |
The bleating about the fans from some bawbags is total nonsense. Our fans turn up in numbers every week, the manager and players have turned up a handful of times all year. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:08 - Dec 4 with 619 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:51 - Dec 4 by gtsb1966 |
How long do we keep saying it's a new team. How long before we say this team should be able to beat the likes of Barrow and Arsenal's U21's. We can't keep making excuses anymore. |
The coaching staff are a new team. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:09 - Dec 4 with 607 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:08 - Dec 4 by Herbivore |
The bleating about the fans from some bawbags is total nonsense. Our fans turn up in numbers every week, the manager and players have turned up a handful of times all year. |
That’s silly.
You’ll be talking about a lack of passion and desire next. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:10 - Dec 4 with 595 views | hype313 |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:08 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
The coaching staff are a new team. |
They are, which means we don't know if they're any good as they have no experience.
So far, its not looking great. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:10 - Dec 4 with 592 views | AlanG296 |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:50 - Dec 4 by jasondozzell |
I don't think Bonne is a chancer.
I don't think Wes Burns is. Or Edmundson. Or Celina.
I see talented and committed players trying to build something.
I see Cook in the same way. He's clearly committed and he has a great track record.
We've got to get behind him and the team. |
OK I accept that they are not all chancers, not Bonne Edmundson and Burns for sure, but the rest of them, they may have talent but commitment? As a reporter on national radio identified within 10 minutes of kick off today, Ipswich lack intensity. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:11 - Dec 4 with 584 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:53 - Dec 4 by HARRY10 |
2but not now. Let's be Ipswich Town and do it the right way, not 'Chequebook FC'"
What utter nonsense. A mindset that has held us back for decades now. Yes, we were very successful - for ten years. That's all, ten years. We have done feck all since.
I'm not for sacking the manager under normal circumstances. Not because it is not 'the Ipswich way' (whatever that is supposed to mean). But because it can take a fair while to rebuild a squad. Lose failing players and replace them with others. But Cook has had the opportunity to do that. He's been able to replace pretty much the whole squad, and the back room staff. To what end. We are way off what Lambert was achieving (27 points to 36 points). The defeats have not always been against the better teams either. It has been the poor results v Newport County, Oldham and Cheltenham.
Too many times Cook has come up short. Too many times we have had to listen to whinging post match comments. Yet these are the players signed by Cook.
However, it won't be the fans who remove Cook. Because despite your claims to the contrary we are 'chequebook fc'. Or Phoenix Rising, Gamechanger or what ever variation you wish to use. As it will be them who decide whether we string this out, or not. |
"A mindset that has held us back for decades now"
It was a mindset that won us a Championship, an FA Cup and a UEFA cup.
"Yes, we were very successful - for ten years. That's all, ten years. We have done feck all since. "
Yes and we likely won't. We aren't Man City or Liverpool.
Cook Out. But, lets hang on to Lambert, Yes?
Lamberts five year contract by HARRY10 27 Jan 2021 2:07Maybe some on here should ask themselves what was the intent behind that contract.
Could it be that Lambert put it to Evans bluntly, just how much of a mess the club was in, and that it could not be turned around in a season ?
Could it also be that whatever has been agreed has a longer aim than instant success, that some feel is our birthright ?
Fifteen players are out of contract in June, and a good many of them will not be missed But the idea that with the clock running don on those contracts appointing a new manager is the best idea to decide who to keep is farcical.
Or maybe Ramsey and Robson achieved success over night. Or maybe Hurst was able to transfer his success elsewhere to us, over night.
Our rebuilding is going to take time, and no little foot stamping and bedsheet waving will change that.
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:14 - Dec 4 with 578 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:10 - Dec 4 by hype313 |
They are, which means we don't know if they're any good as they have no experience.
So far, its not looking great. |
So we might as well have a total clear out then? Or do we accept that we can’t really know where the problems are specifically?
I think the same when I look at the team on the pitch but that doesn’t mean we need to start again. It means that we need to give them more time to see who is part of the problem and who is part of the solution. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:18 - Dec 4 with 563 views | Herbivore |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:09 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
That’s silly.
You’ll be talking about a lack of passion and desire next. |
Seems the owners think you're wrong, mate. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:21 - Dec 4 with 561 views | Zapers |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:01 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
Well said. We aren’t where we need to be – no-one is suggesting otherwise – but people are pretty clueless about the solution beyond getting rid of the manager.
That may make people feel better (because it often seems as if it’s their feelings that are most important) but I don’t see that as the obvious solution. Cook has a great track record at this level so we just seem to be inviting further problems unless we know what we’re doing and why.
What I said after the poor start was that if we don’t improve then Cook won’t be around. We did improve even if now we’ve slipped back a little. The patience at the beginning was justified, let’s see if patience is justified now. And in the absence of any real insight into the solution we really have no other sensible and rational choice. Feck feelings. |
Totally agree. Whether it's the Ipswich way or not, firing Cook is not going to help.
I suspect soon, if the crowd start to turn, the owners may become trigger happy.
Pity because I really believe it's going to take time to rebuild, or conversely, it will take a large dose of luck to getting it right so soon. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:21 - Dec 4 with 558 views | N2_Blue |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:21 - Dec 4 by Zapers |
Totally agree. Whether it's the Ipswich way or not, firing Cook is not going to help.
I suspect soon, if the crowd start to turn, the owners may become trigger happy.
Pity because I really believe it's going to take time to rebuild, or conversely, it will take a large dose of luck to getting it right so soon. |
this aged well! |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:22 - Dec 4 with 555 views | hype313 |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:14 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
So we might as well have a total clear out then? Or do we accept that we can’t really know where the problems are specifically?
I think the same when I look at the team on the pitch but that doesn’t mean we need to start again. It means that we need to give them more time to see who is part of the problem and who is part of the solution. |
Think we now know where the problem lay. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:22 - Dec 4 with 555 views | HARRY10 |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:11 - Dec 4 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"A mindset that has held us back for decades now"
It was a mindset that won us a Championship, an FA Cup and a UEFA cup.
"Yes, we were very successful - for ten years. That's all, ten years. We have done feck all since. "
Yes and we likely won't. We aren't Man City or Liverpool.
Cook Out. But, lets hang on to Lambert, Yes?
Lamberts five year contract by HARRY10 27 Jan 2021 2:07Maybe some on here should ask themselves what was the intent behind that contract.
Could it be that Lambert put it to Evans bluntly, just how much of a mess the club was in, and that it could not be turned around in a season ?
Could it also be that whatever has been agreed has a longer aim than instant success, that some feel is our birthright ?
Fifteen players are out of contract in June, and a good many of them will not be missed But the idea that with the clock running don on those contracts appointing a new manager is the best idea to decide who to keep is farcical.
Or maybe Ramsey and Robson achieved success over night. Or maybe Hurst was able to transfer his success elsewhere to us, over night.
Our rebuilding is going to take time, and no little foot stamping and bedsheet waving will change that.
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oh dear, and you still don't get it, do you ?
Lambert, with limited resources was still doing better than Cook. The rebuilding was going to take time. Cook was able to do it in one go.
Now he has gone, thank God | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:25 - Dec 4 with 541 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:22 - Dec 4 by hype313 |
Think we now know where the problem lay. |
Obviously if Cook was the problem then this is a good move. If not, then we’re heading into the next stage of pain. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:29 - Dec 4 with 520 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:18 - Dec 4 by Herbivore |
Seems the owners think you're wrong, mate. |
It was the only thing they could actively do. Not sure it’s the right move though.
Be interested to see how much time people give the next guy and why. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:30 - Dec 4 with 512 views | Zapers |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:21 - Dec 4 by N2_Blue |
this aged well! |
Yep! | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:43 - Dec 4 with 477 views | N2_Blue |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:30 - Dec 4 by Zapers |
Yep! |
ha, i actually meant the OP and thread in general but probably applicable to your post too.
Don't think anyone saw it coming whatever their opinion of Cook. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 21:51 - Dec 5 with 376 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:21 - Dec 4 by N2_Blue |
this aged well! |
How clever of you. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 21:51]
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| Cards on the table time. on 21:58 - Dec 5 with 355 views | N2_Blue |
| Cards on the table time. on 21:51 - Dec 5 by Eireannach_gorm |
How clever of you. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 21:51]
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Pardon? | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 22:41 - Dec 5 with 301 views | pointofblue |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:29 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
It was the only thing they could actively do. Not sure it’s the right move though.
Be interested to see how much time people give the next guy and why. |
40 games?
In all probability there will be pressure to hit the ground running. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 23:13 - Dec 5 with 274 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Cards on the table time. on 21:58 - Dec 5 by N2_Blue |
Pardon? |
You heard me. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 23:14 - Dec 5 with 273 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 22:41 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
40 games?
In all probability there will be pressure to hit the ground running. |
Yeah, but two very different jobs. He didn’t achieve anything with the last squad and was behind where he needed to be with the new team.
But no manager has had 40 games with so much change going on around him since probably Magilton when Evans came in, and at least he had a full season before that. Still struggled to push on though, in fact we stalled. | |
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