| Cards on the table time. 17:52 - Dec 4 with 3830 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I'm disappointed.
Disappointed with the players, who I thought were better.
Disappointed with the manager, who I thought was better.
I'm disappointed for the owners, who I think are better.
But I'm also disappointed with the fan base, many of who have become someone completely different from what I am used to seeing as fellow Town fans.
We give our managers time and all of that stuff, except not any more.
The discontent started after 6 weeks or so this time, "Why is he talking about the players like that" etc. etc. and now, after a disappointing start to the season its now 9 months in and the level of vociferousness that many on this board are using to criticise Cook directly is borderline abusive.
That's not us. That's not what Ipswich do. No doubt, someone will be along imminently to tell me, "If you don't like it, put them on ignore".
No.
So what now. Change the manager? Again? He gets his own players, Celina et al are sent back from their loans, another 10 new players? And then what if that doesn't work? Get rid of him too?
And then what?
And repeat, ad nauseam.
So we give Cook another window, to get it right, if we don't, all we are doing is giving a new manager a window to get it right, and they might not. I doubt we will go up now anyway, so why bother with such mammoth change now? We may as well hope Cook shows that his career at Chesterfield, Portsmouth and Wigan wasn't a fluke and have a good 2nd half to the season ready to go next year.
If on the other hand we get to the end of the season, and we finish in mid table, that is the time for Cook to go, but not now. Let's be Ipswich Town and do it the right way, not 'Chequebook FC'.
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:17 - Dec 4 with 743 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 by J2BLUE |
Any half decent manager should be able to get us up with the squad. Cook had a very good squad at his disposal and then we went out and got Morsy, Walton and Celina on top.
I'd be pretty surprised if there's nowhere out there who could come in and get us going. |
Flip side of that would be that Paul Cook would otherwise look ideal. So it’s clearly not a question of any “half-decent manager”. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:17 - Dec 4 with 742 views | timothyeo |
Our fans gave all our managers too much time and gave owners too easy a ride and we've gone from a Premier League side or competing for promotion to, to a midtable League One side with a tiring ground.
I think what you want is for us to continue to fail, which is weird if youre an Ipswich fan. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:19 - Dec 4 with 741 views | jasondozzell |
Fantastic post. Couldn't agree more.
Winning doesn't mean anything if club doesn't keep its soul.
Get behind Cook and team for rest of season. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:19 - Dec 4 with 737 views | shamboy |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 by gtsb1966 |
Cook's appointment had nothing to do with Ashton though. |
No, but they will have been given some form of risk register when renewing the playing squad and I very much doubt that 'sacking manager before Christmas' will have been on there. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:21 - Dec 4 with 730 views | backwaywhen |
Cooks time at all those other clubs was no fluke ……. Just ask Leam Richardson !!!!!!! And there is the answer , nothing or nobody will convince me otherwise, taxi for Cook and his Liverpudlian gang ….. Exept John Mcgreal | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:21 - Dec 4 with 729 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:17 - Dec 4 by timothyeo |
Our fans gave all our managers too much time and gave owners too easy a ride and we've gone from a Premier League side or competing for promotion to, to a midtable League One side with a tiring ground.
I think what you want is for us to continue to fail, which is weird if youre an Ipswich fan. |
Awful post. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:22 - Dec 4 with 710 views | gtsb1966 |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:19 - Dec 4 by shamboy |
No, but they will have been given some form of risk register when renewing the playing squad and I very much doubt that 'sacking manager before Christmas' will have been on there. |
True....but nor would've been our current position. I guess we'll see in the next three weeks. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:25 - Dec 4 with 691 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 by pointofblue |
What has Cook done with us to earn himself some patience? Three thrashings which we failed miserably to build upon and an unlucky defeat at Sunderland?
Yes, he's succeeded elsewhere but Keane succeeded at Sunderland, Jewell hit the top with Bradford and Wigan, Lambert did well with Norwich and Hurst was punching above his weight at Shrewsbury. They all failed miserably with us and were all given more time than they deserved. We're now about to repeat exactly the same trick, even under different leadership. |
What’s the solution? What type of manager do we need then? | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:28 - Dec 4 with 675 views | chicoazul |
If Paul Cook, who is a good experienced manager with a good track record, gets the backing he has received from new wealthy owners and hand picks a squad, while the club makes excellent reinforcements off the pitch, *and still* we are languishing in nowhere land in December failing to beat Barrow and Arsenal Youths at home, then….. what? Every time we change the manager it gets worse. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:29 - Dec 4 with 658 views | J2BLUE |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:28 - Dec 4 by chicoazul |
If Paul Cook, who is a good experienced manager with a good track record, gets the backing he has received from new wealthy owners and hand picks a squad, while the club makes excellent reinforcements off the pitch, *and still* we are languishing in nowhere land in December failing to beat Barrow and Arsenal Youths at home, then….. what? Every time we change the manager it gets worse. |
I told you to call an end to the banter era but you refuse to. This is on you. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:30 - Dec 4 with 658 views | pointofblue |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:25 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
What’s the solution? What type of manager do we need then? |
A manager who is adapatable and, more often than not, can change things round for the better in game if required. Someone who takes responsibility, understanding and appreciating the expectations in place with the squad at their disposal. A manager who has more than a plan A up their sleeve and can coach/train to more than one formation. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:30 - Dec 4 with 654 views | AlanG296 |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:19 - Dec 4 by jasondozzell |
Fantastic post. Couldn't agree more.
Winning doesn't mean anything if club doesn't keep its soul.
Get behind Cook and team for rest of season. |
Our club has been exploited by overpaid chancers for years now. Players, managers, coaches. Whatever they say in interviews praising the gullible cheerers they are just here for the easy life, happy to be here milking the fans. None of them have the club's soul. It's just a job for them. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:31 - Dec 4 with 653 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Good post.
I knew this season on here for negativity was going to be difficult when plenty were swaying cook out and we were still in August. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:37 - Dec 4 with 617 views | Churchman |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:17 - Dec 4 by timothyeo |
Our fans gave all our managers too much time and gave owners too easy a ride and we've gone from a Premier League side or competing for promotion to, to a midtable League One side with a tiring ground.
I think what you want is for us to continue to fail, which is weird if youre an Ipswich fan. |
There you go again. People hold views other than you care just as much as you do. Suggesting the OP wants us to fail is way off. Some people think that getting red and sweaty with excitement over a new manager every five minutes is the way to go, others think differently. There is nothing wrong in different views on how to achieve the same ends.. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 18:56]
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:42 - Dec 4 with 597 views | BlueBadger |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:31 - Dec 4 by The_Romford_Blue |
Good post.
I knew this season on here for negativity was going to be difficult when plenty were swaying cook out and we were still in August. |
Who was saying that in August?
Not even Fishers was. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:46 - Dec 4 with 576 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:30 - Dec 4 by pointofblue |
A manager who is adapatable and, more often than not, can change things round for the better in game if required. Someone who takes responsibility, understanding and appreciating the expectations in place with the squad at their disposal. A manager who has more than a plan A up their sleeve and can coach/train to more than one formation. |
Serious question. That’s not really a Burley or even a Bielsa/Klopp is it? They were/are managers who instilled a philosophy and style and stuck with it.
Mick was more the pragmatist who would tinker and change (and that was perfect when we were punching above our weight in the Championship) but I think we need to raise our ambitions if we’re talking about establishing a team and culture that’s going to build into a Championship squad. And a promotion-challenging one too.
Is Cook good enough to push his ideas through? Is he good enough to get the short-term results necessary to build momentum and confidence? Jury is most definitely out.
But I think the solution of getting in a jack-of-all-matches manager who just wins more games is a little limited and unrealistic. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:46 - Dec 4 with 568 views | gordon |
It isn't just change the manager, it's get a proper high quality coaching staff in to look after all elements of the team - if we do that (I think) it could make a world of difference. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:48 - Dec 4 with 541 views | pointofblue |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:46 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
Serious question. That’s not really a Burley or even a Bielsa/Klopp is it? They were/are managers who instilled a philosophy and style and stuck with it.
Mick was more the pragmatist who would tinker and change (and that was perfect when we were punching above our weight in the Championship) but I think we need to raise our ambitions if we’re talking about establishing a team and culture that’s going to build into a Championship squad. And a promotion-challenging one too.
Is Cook good enough to push his ideas through? Is he good enough to get the short-term results necessary to build momentum and confidence? Jury is most definitely out.
But I think the solution of getting in a jack-of-all-matches manager who just wins more games is a little limited and unrealistic. |
Fair point, but can you see the philosophy of what Cook is trying to impose here at the moment? Because I see very little development or progress on that score - if anything it feels like we had more vision and direction in August than we've seen post Wycombe. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:49 - Dec 4 with 535 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:46 - Dec 4 by gordon |
It isn't just change the manager, it's get a proper high quality coaching staff in to look after all elements of the team - if we do that (I think) it could make a world of difference. |
Which team with a high-quality coaching staff are you comparing us with?
And how do we know that this coaching team isn’t up to it? Again, it’s a new team. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:50 - Dec 4 with 521 views | jasondozzell |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:30 - Dec 4 by AlanG296 |
Our club has been exploited by overpaid chancers for years now. Players, managers, coaches. Whatever they say in interviews praising the gullible cheerers they are just here for the easy life, happy to be here milking the fans. None of them have the club's soul. It's just a job for them. |
I don't think Bonne is a chancer.
I don't think Wes Burns is. Or Edmundson. Or Celina.
I see talented and committed players trying to build something.
I see Cook in the same way. He's clearly committed and he has a great track record.
We've got to get behind him and the team. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:50 - Dec 4 with 521 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:42 - Dec 4 by BlueBadger |
Who was saying that in August?
Not even Fishers was. |
He may never have specifically said those words at that stage but he was heavily implying it. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:51 - Dec 4 with 507 views | gtsb1966 |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:49 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
Which team with a high-quality coaching staff are you comparing us with?
And how do we know that this coaching team isn’t up to it? Again, it’s a new team. |
How long do we keep saying it's a new team. How long before we say this team should be able to beat the likes of Barrow and Arsenal's U21's. We can't keep making excuses anymore. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:53 - Dec 4 with 504 views | HARRY10 |
2but not now. Let's be Ipswich Town and do it the right way, not 'Chequebook FC'"
What utter nonsense. A mindset that has held us back for decades now. Yes, we were very successful - for ten years. That's all, ten years. We have done feck all since.
I'm not for sacking the manager under normal circumstances. Not because it is not 'the Ipswich way' (whatever that is supposed to mean). But because it can take a fair while to rebuild a squad. Lose failing players and replace them with others. But Cook has had the opportunity to do that. He's been able to replace pretty much the whole squad, and the back room staff. To what end. We are way off what Lambert was achieving (27 points to 36 points). The defeats have not always been against the better teams either. It has been the poor results v Newport County, Oldham and Cheltenham.
Too many times Cook has come up short. Too many times we have had to listen to whinging post match comments. Yet these are the players signed by Cook.
However, it won't be the fans who remove Cook. Because despite your claims to the contrary we are 'chequebook fc'. Or Phoenix Rising, Gamechanger or what ever variation you wish to use. As it will be them who decide whether we string this out, or not. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 19:01 - Dec 4 with 478 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:48 - Dec 4 by pointofblue |
Fair point, but can you see the philosophy of what Cook is trying to impose here at the moment? Because I see very little development or progress on that score - if anything it feels like we had more vision and direction in August than we've seen post Wycombe. |
I see him trying to impose front-foot football. We’re not a team of midfield battlers clearly or using physique. It’s all about threatening from different areas of the pitch behind the lone striker.
I’m not going to pretend it’s worked out yet, beyond sporadic games and periods in games. And we’d probably have done better with a more utility-based, physical team.
For me the question is also what’s needed beyond this season. Because even the goal of promotion and relegation a la Rotherham isn’t the ambition. Ultimately we want to go up, stay there and even challenge within the next 3-4 years.
So stepping back for a moment, if this was easy any club could do it. Either by buying the players or just working their way up the pyramid in an obvious fashion. But it doesn’t work like that. You really need to have a process and stick with it.
It’s the inability of clubs to stick with the process that means we’re all scrabbling around looking for relatively short-term and knee-jerk solutions. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 19:05 - Dec 4 with 444 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:51 - Dec 4 by gtsb1966 |
How long do we keep saying it's a new team. How long before we say this team should be able to beat the likes of Barrow and Arsenal's U21's. We can't keep making excuses anymore. |
Of course we’re able to beat those teams. And should have.
No excuses here. But didn’t 4 League One sides lose to lower league opposition today?
It happens. And we need to become the side that can easily win these games instead of ending up drawing them. | |
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