| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. 10:47 - Dec 7 with 5625 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
Exciting, young, fresh, modern AND with ITFC links annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddd............... a tenuous Burley link.
Would luv it buh |  | | |  |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:07 - Dec 7 with 827 views | Herbivore |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:19 - Dec 7 by textbackup |
Yeah I’m fully onboard of the Manning bus.
My only thing is, honestly, would you leave 6th placed MK dons (after putting in half a seasons work) to come here and potentially miss out on a play off finish because the team you take over aren’t your players and drilled how you want them.
That said if we have ‘the best squad in the division’ then surely they’d take to any style given to them
Guess that would be down to him to decide |
As well as the other points that have been made it's worth noting he didn't take over at MK Dons until the season had started, so what he's achieved there he's achieved without his own players and only being able drill them in his system in training between games. That's pretty impressive. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:15 - Dec 7 with 810 views | bobbyramsey |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:50 - Dec 7 by Dubtractor |
Yeah, I'm with you here, historically a few of our better managers have been at the very start of their careers, and it would feel like an appointment we could all get behind.
I 100% don't want just another manager off the merry go round. |
......and we don't appear to have done too well with experienced managers over recent years. |  | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:16 - Dec 7 with 805 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:06 - Dec 7 by _sanctimoanious_ |
ah yeh forgot Fulham - an awful managerial experience is maybe worse than none. Pep manager BarcaB before making Barcelona the greatest club anyone had ever seen.
Agree it's a risk but going for so called tried and tested managers over the past 20 years hasn't done us much good. |
Yep I appreciate that. I always back losers anyway so maybe I should just be against the new guy from the off and he'll be the new Robson. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:18 - Dec 7 with 791 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:16 - Dec 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yep I appreciate that. I always back losers anyway so maybe I should just be against the new guy from the off and he'll be the new Robson. |
lolz, I feel the same way. Too positive towards managers. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:20 - Dec 7 with 788 views | pennblue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:06 - Dec 7 by timothyeo |
Out of everyone touted so far (well, the realistic one's anyway) he's got to be right up there. |
Would you support that appointment? |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:22 - Dec 7 with 780 views | pennblue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:07 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
As well as the other points that have been made it's worth noting he didn't take over at MK Dons until the season had started, so what he's achieved there he's achieved without his own players and only being able drill them in his system in training between games. That's pretty impressive. |
This is looking positive, we have yourself, TimothyYeo, and in favour..
Itfc joe, Blue Badger and Blueboyd - are you up for this????
If so, we can run it past the board.
Oh we need Monkey Blue / Alan as well! [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 13:22]
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:30 - Dec 7 with 743 views | JDB23 |
Out of the names being touted, he’d be right up there for me. It’s a risk but it could have a huge upside, whereas I don’t think many of the other names have that potential. Unless the ownership group come up with someone out of the blue I think Manning would be my go to currently. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:36 - Dec 7 with 732 views | BonneNIL |
As exciting and fresh as Hurst and Doig then? Imagine all the new grounds we'll get to see in League Two.
The club's in a bit of a state, we need someone with the experience to turn it around quickly as I doubt Gamechanger's financial backers are going to be happy to lose ten million a year in League One. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:38 - Dec 7 with 722 views | Herbivore |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:36 - Dec 7 by BonneNIL |
As exciting and fresh as Hurst and Doig then? Imagine all the new grounds we'll get to see in League Two.
The club's in a bit of a state, we need someone with the experience to turn it around quickly as I doubt Gamechanger's financial backers are going to be happy to lose ten million a year in League One. |
Hurst had about 500 games in management, he wasn't a rookie.
We've just got rid of about the best experienced manager available at this level and he failed. What makes you think bringing in a different experienced head is what we need? | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:39 - Dec 7 with 713 views | JDB23 |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:36 - Dec 7 by BonneNIL |
As exciting and fresh as Hurst and Doig then? Imagine all the new grounds we'll get to see in League Two.
The club's in a bit of a state, we need someone with the experience to turn it around quickly as I doubt Gamechanger's financial backers are going to be happy to lose ten million a year in League One. |
The club is not in a state. We now have very solid foundations but just have an underperforming team. That’s very different to being on the slide with a team of dross and needing a miracle worker. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:40 - Dec 7 with 710 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:36 - Dec 7 by BonneNIL |
As exciting and fresh as Hurst and Doig then? Imagine all the new grounds we'll get to see in League Two.
The club's in a bit of a state, we need someone with the experience to turn it around quickly as I doubt Gamechanger's financial backers are going to be happy to lose ten million a year in League One. |
the new management team is that experience. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:42 - Dec 7 with 702 views | Jimmy86 |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:38 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
Hurst had about 500 games in management, he wasn't a rookie.
We've just got rid of about the best experienced manager available at this level and he failed. What makes you think bringing in a different experienced head is what we need? |
So the burning question is, WHY did Cook fail? He's a decent manager, with a proven record at this level... he hasn't turned into a bad manager overnight, so what happened?
My bet is that not all those players signed in the summer were his players.. up steps Ashton with his dashboard!! | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:42 - Dec 7 with 704 views | hype313 |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:38 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
Hurst had about 500 games in management, he wasn't a rookie.
We've just got rid of about the best experienced manager available at this level and he failed. What makes you think bringing in a different experienced head is what we need? |
Didn't Keane, Jewell, Mick, Lambert and Cook all have promotion on their CV's?
Obviously works wonders doesn't it.
Manning for me, really don't want to see any of the old guard being touted coming in. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:48 - Dec 7 with 682 views | JDB23 |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:42 - Dec 7 by Jimmy86 |
So the burning question is, WHY did Cook fail? He's a decent manager, with a proven record at this level... he hasn't turned into a bad manager overnight, so what happened?
My bet is that not all those players signed in the summer were his players.. up steps Ashton with his dashboard!! |
Even if that is true, so what? Managers come into teams and turn them around with 0 of their own players, let alone being given the pick of the crop of their former stars plus maybe the odd Ashton signing (quality signings at that).
Cook's failure with this squad is on him and his coaching team. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:48 - Dec 7 with 681 views | Herbivore |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:42 - Dec 7 by Jimmy86 |
So the burning question is, WHY did Cook fail? He's a decent manager, with a proven record at this level... he hasn't turned into a bad manager overnight, so what happened?
My bet is that not all those players signed in the summer were his players.. up steps Ashton with his dashboard!! |
Who knows? I think suggesting the players weren't his signings when several of them played under him previously is a little disingenuous. Looking at how well Leam Richardson is doing it's hard not to consider the possibility that he was influential in Cook's past successes. Cook has looked fairly clueless here at times, far too frequently out thought by other managers and largely incapable of changing the momentum in games. Seemed to think that having good players and working hard was all that was required for us to be successful. | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:55 - Dec 7 with 654 views | Jimmy86 |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:48 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
Who knows? I think suggesting the players weren't his signings when several of them played under him previously is a little disingenuous. Looking at how well Leam Richardson is doing it's hard not to consider the possibility that he was influential in Cook's past successes. Cook has looked fairly clueless here at times, far too frequently out thought by other managers and largely incapable of changing the momentum in games. Seemed to think that having good players and working hard was all that was required for us to be successful. |
What I meant by Cook's players, as opposed to players signed by Ashton, as good as they might be, is that they might not necessarily fit into Cook's system.
You know that Walton, Chaplin, Evans and especially Morsy were Cook's players, the rest I'm not so sure about, even if they are quality players at this level | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:59 - Dec 7 with 646 views | Jimmy86 |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:48 - Dec 7 by JDB23 |
Even if that is true, so what? Managers come into teams and turn them around with 0 of their own players, let alone being given the pick of the crop of their former stars plus maybe the odd Ashton signing (quality signings at that).
Cook's failure with this squad is on him and his coaching team. |
I agree with what you've said there... the players signed over the summer are still quality players, but I'm still sceptical that some weren't strictly Cook's choice, as opposed to Ashton.. now he is the CEO and he mentioned the data led recruitment approach, which is fine and model that works with a head coach, as opposed to manage kind of thing
He clearly underperformed with a squad of decent players and that is disappointing | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:15 - Dec 7 with 590 views | Herbivore |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:55 - Dec 7 by Jimmy86 |
What I meant by Cook's players, as opposed to players signed by Ashton, as good as they might be, is that they might not necessarily fit into Cook's system.
You know that Walton, Chaplin, Evans and especially Morsy were Cook's players, the rest I'm not so sure about, even if they are quality players at this level |
They were players that should fit the system, and if they weren't Cook should have said as much and suggested some alternatives that would fit. I think it's just a bit of an excuse to be honest, looking at our squad you could pick two different XIs that would both fancy their chances of finishing top 6. The quality and depth is ridiculous. And if Cook couldn't get them to work then he can't have been very good at his job. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 14:17]
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:18 - Dec 7 with 579 views | Herbivore |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:59 - Dec 7 by Jimmy86 |
I agree with what you've said there... the players signed over the summer are still quality players, but I'm still sceptical that some weren't strictly Cook's choice, as opposed to Ashton.. now he is the CEO and he mentioned the data led recruitment approach, which is fine and model that works with a head coach, as opposed to manage kind of thing
He clearly underperformed with a squad of decent players and that is disappointing |
Ashton has said that there was no recruitment team in place yet over the summer, it was basically him and Cook. | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:27 - Dec 7 with 566 views | Pinewoodblue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:36 - Dec 7 by BonneNIL |
As exciting and fresh as Hurst and Doig then? Imagine all the new grounds we'll get to see in League Two.
The club's in a bit of a state, we need someone with the experience to turn it around quickly as I doubt Gamechanger's financial backers are going to be happy to lose ten million a year in League One. |
We need exactly the opposite, we need a head coach willing to make an input with regards signings but willing to leave the non playing aspects to others.
Hurst failed on every count.
Personally I would be happy to to see KD take on a bigger file, perhaps joint assistant manager if Manning were appointed. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:32 - Dec 7 with 546 views | itfcjoe |
I really would love to see it |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:40 - Dec 7 with 516 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:32 - Dec 7 by itfcjoe |
I really would love to see it |
Are you basing that on where MK are in the league or do you have a little more insight? Genuine question,I know very little about him. | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:55 - Dec 7 with 476 views | itfcjoe |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:40 - Dec 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Are you basing that on where MK are in the league or do you have a little more insight? Genuine question,I know very little about him. |
Highly rated coach when here and been moved on and head hunted to to West Ham then CFG in big jobs, done 2 good senior jobs so far if embryonic, and obviously the Ipswich/Burley/Klug links are strong
Chris Hogg also very highly rated here - they are going to be a success somewhere so let’s make it here | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:59 - Dec 7 with 447 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:55 - Dec 7 by itfcjoe |
Highly rated coach when here and been moved on and head hunted to to West Ham then CFG in big jobs, done 2 good senior jobs so far if embryonic, and obviously the Ipswich/Burley/Klug links are strong
Chris Hogg also very highly rated here - they are going to be a success somewhere so let’s make it here |
Cheers, yeah, sounds interesting. I still think his lack of experience at this level is risky, but who knows, he could be the next big thing? I just don't have a clue with managers anymore. In any other walk of life you'd pick someone with a CV like Cook over Manning, but there we go. Funny ol' game. | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 15:05 - Dec 7 with 418 views | leitrimblue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 14:55 - Dec 7 by itfcjoe |
Highly rated coach when here and been moved on and head hunted to to West Ham then CFG in big jobs, done 2 good senior jobs so far if embryonic, and obviously the Ipswich/Burley/Klug links are strong
Chris Hogg also very highly rated here - they are going to be a success somewhere so let’s make it here |
I know very little about um, but they seem an obvious choice at the moment. Seem to have great potential, town links and one of the few choices I've seen that could unite and excite the majority of the fan base |  | | |
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