| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. 10:47 - Dec 7 with 5623 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
Exciting, young, fresh, modern AND with ITFC links annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddd............... a tenuous Burley link.
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:38 - Dec 7 with 1157 views | itfcsuth |
Transfermarkt is rarely 100% accurate. He played 4-2-3-1 at Lommel, but has only used a
3-5-2 or a 3-4-2-1 with MK. |  | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:39 - Dec 7 with 1157 views | davblue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:24 - Dec 7 by SomethingBlue |
The idea that "one up front" is a remotely negative or bad thing is utter nonsense — it just depends on how the rest of the team is set up. |
yeah, Neanderthal thinking and such a tired cliché. |  | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:40 - Dec 7 with 1135 views | mkbobby |
I’d take more stock that he was born in Norwich ( secret agent and all that ) |  | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:43 - Dec 7 with 1123 views | davblue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:23 - Dec 7 by Kieran_Knows |
With the greatest respects, we'd be tripling his money, and those in his backroom staff overnight and he'd be coming in to work with the best squad in the League.
I personally don't get the whole 'why would he leave MK Dons for us' bit. If we want him, I'm sure we'd get him. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 11:24]
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he's been in the job 3 months? If he fails here it wouldn't be a good look.
Steve Cotterill left Stoke after a few months to go to Sunderland and his career never recovered. It would be an incredibly risky move for his career, MK Dons he can slowly build, here the expectation would be on him getting promoted in the next 17 months maximum i would have thought. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:51 - Dec 7 with 1082 views | Pinewoodblue |
Interesting that no gaps in his employment details, so not adverse to being headhunted. Suspect he might feel he owes MKDons a full season.
Has any football league club ever had a complete coaching team where every member has had a previous association with the club? |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:52 - Dec 7 with 1083 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:38 - Dec 7 by itfcsuth |
Transfermarkt is rarely 100% accurate. He played 4-2-3-1 at Lommel, but has only used a
3-5-2 or a 3-4-2-1 with MK. |
He says in that YouTube vid that his systems are fluid. Much like Pep at Citeh where players move about quite a bit so never really a set 'formation' | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:53 - Dec 7 with 1076 views | SomethingBlue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:51 - Dec 7 by Pinewoodblue |
Interesting that no gaps in his employment details, so not adverse to being headhunted. Suspect he might feel he owes MKDons a full season.
Has any football league club ever had a complete coaching team where every member has had a previous association with the club? |
City Football Group are quite happy to let their coaches move between clubs in the stable, develop and then move on from there — it's turning into a really good production line, they have some really good people coming through, Des Buckingham (mentioned on here the other day) will be the one after Manning. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 11:54]
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:54 - Dec 7 with 1066 views | Texaco73 |
Could they handle the 'big club' pressure though?
Regardless of whether we are actually a big club or not, certainly the investment, gate numbers, admin infrastructure rebuild and the way the owners are driving Ipswich are all the putting us in this category.
We need a manager that can handle those expectations and knows the way 'big clubs' work.
It seems the setup is being geared towards a modern model of club and so we need someone to fit that model who can get the most out of the tools on hand.
It's just potluck really IMO. I think we will be on a hire and fire roundabout until someone comes in and hit the ground running.
Same for the players too, I don't think there will be much sentiment going forward. Perpetual sick notes, underperformers and troublemakers will not be tolerated. (At least I hope so) |  | | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:58 - Dec 7 with 1037 views | wrightsrightglove |
Definitely my first choice at the moment unless we’re talking to someone that hasn’t been mentioned who would blow everyone else out of the water. Come in, get a few more players in January and see where the season takes us, no massive pressure on a play off finish from this point as long as we see clear progress, a clear style and a clear group of players who you trust. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:17 - Dec 7 with 1005 views | Kieran_Knows |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:53 - Dec 7 by SomethingBlue |
City Football Group are quite happy to let their coaches move between clubs in the stable, develop and then move on from there — it's turning into a really good production line, they have some really good people coming through, Des Buckingham (mentioned on here the other day) will be the one after Manning. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 11:54]
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I did wonder about Des Buckingham .... Ashton would've crossed paths with him at Oxford as well. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:22 - Dec 7 with 991 views | SomethingBlue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:17 - Dec 7 by Kieran_Knows |
I did wonder about Des Buckingham .... Ashton would've crossed paths with him at Oxford as well. |
I know Des a little bit, he's an absolutely cracking guy and a big talent, I think he might even say himself that it's a little too soon for this one but I'd be watching him very closely over the next year. | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:28 - Dec 7 with 956 views | Kieran_Knows |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:22 - Dec 7 by SomethingBlue |
I know Des a little bit, he's an absolutely cracking guy and a big talent, I think he might even say himself that it's a little too soon for this one but I'd be watching him very closely over the next year. |
Indeed. Weirdly enough, I have quite a keen interest in the City Group. I'm always interested to see what coaches they have and how they interchange between the clubs (a bit like the Red Bull Group also).
Tough job to walk in to at Mumbai City considering they won the double last season, but good luck to him. | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:31 - Dec 7 with 940 views | 2-5-7 |
Born in Norwich........ |  | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:32 - Dec 7 with 939 views | SomethingBlue |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:28 - Dec 7 by Kieran_Knows |
Indeed. Weirdly enough, I have quite a keen interest in the City Group. I'm always interested to see what coaches they have and how they interchange between the clubs (a bit like the Red Bull Group also).
Tough job to walk in to at Mumbai City considering they won the double last season, but good luck to him. |
Yep, tough gig and strange situation with Covid bubbles over there, but he's started fairly well. The way CFG look after their coaches and get them all exchanging ideas and experiences is quite something.
Red Bull a decent parallel, I'd say CFG's coaching structure arguably has better depth but nobody can beat RB for player scouting and planning career paths. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 12:32]
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:34 - Dec 7 with 919 views | J2BLUE |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:23 - Dec 7 by Kieran_Knows |
With the greatest respects, we'd be tripling his money, and those in his backroom staff overnight and he'd be coming in to work with the best squad in the League.
I personally don't get the whole 'why would he leave MK Dons for us' bit. If we want him, I'm sure we'd get him. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 11:24]
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Slightly arrogant to be honest mate.
Agree he would likely come though especially as he could bring his January wishlist with him. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:34 - Dec 7 with 922 views | Kieran_Knows |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:32 - Dec 7 by SomethingBlue |
Yep, tough gig and strange situation with Covid bubbles over there, but he's started fairly well. The way CFG look after their coaches and get them all exchanging ideas and experiences is quite something.
Red Bull a decent parallel, I'd say CFG's coaching structure arguably has better depth but nobody can beat RB for player scouting and planning career paths. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 12:32]
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Indeed, I was reading up on that a couple of weeks back. Definitely, IIRC, the Man City Women manager Nick Cushing got the job at New York City FC as assistant coach. Such a good pathway etc.
Indeed, one of the best in the world at it, without a doubt!
It's a model I wonder if we will see here in the future if Town got to the Prem, what with Phoneix and the owners interest in getting a club out in Australia? [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 12:35]
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:37 - Dec 7 with 899 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 11:43 - Dec 7 by davblue |
he's been in the job 3 months? If he fails here it wouldn't be a good look.
Steve Cotterill left Stoke after a few months to go to Sunderland and his career never recovered. It would be an incredibly risky move for his career, MK Dons he can slowly build, here the expectation would be on him getting promoted in the next 17 months maximum i would have thought. |
It would be incredibly risky for us as well. It's a nice romantic idea this up and coming hungry manager with Ipswich connections, but he's had what, 18 games at this level?! Are we really hoping to entrust the weight of Ipswich Town Football Club on the shoulders of someone who's only managed 18 games more than I have?!?! |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:44 - Dec 7 with 868 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:37 - Dec 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It would be incredibly risky for us as well. It's a nice romantic idea this up and coming hungry manager with Ipswich connections, but he's had what, 18 games at this level?! Are we really hoping to entrust the weight of Ipswich Town Football Club on the shoulders of someone who's only managed 18 games more than I have?!?! |
Burley had zero games managing at the level we appointed him for. Robson the same. Ramsey?
Pep had no relevant manager experience
Arteta?
Farke?
and many more. I think Ipswich do best when they give an exciting new manager the chance to really cut his teeth. Let him make his history with us rather than us hope a has been can rediscover his spark. | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:44 - Dec 7 with 868 views | WilbrahamBlue |
do a lully ol' job bah | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:50 - Dec 7 with 841 views | Dubtractor |
Yeah, I'm with you here, historically a few of our better managers have been at the very start of their careers, and it would feel like an appointment we could all get behind.
I 100% don't want just another manager off the merry go round. |  |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:52 - Dec 7 with 823 views | tractorboy1978 |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:37 - Dec 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It would be incredibly risky for us as well. It's a nice romantic idea this up and coming hungry manager with Ipswich connections, but he's had what, 18 games at this level?! Are we really hoping to entrust the weight of Ipswich Town Football Club on the shoulders of someone who's only managed 18 games more than I have?!?! |
Every manager is a risk though isn't it. We've proven time and time again that past success is no guarantee of future success. I wouldn't see Manning as more of a risk personally than someone like Appleton. The past 10-15 years has seen numerous clubs fly past us that haven't thought twice about appointing an up and coming progressive coach with no real first team management experience.
A look into Manning's background and journey so far shows a highly rated coach, that has worked as U23's manager of a Premier League club, been part of/promoted though one of the most impressive club coaching structures in the world (City Group) and has managed well in two (albeit) brief stints at first team level. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 12:57]
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:53 - Dec 7 with 819 views | Jimmy86 |
I get the link, regarding his ipswich connection, but for me it would be a massive gamble.. he is inexperienced and untested..
Would he be an upgrade on a tried and tested manager in Cook?
Have no idea what quite went wrong with Cook... I personally think not all of those players brought in were strictly "his" players.. we all know Ashton has his data dashboard and all that | | | |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:55 - Dec 7 with 799 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:44 - Dec 7 by _sanctimoanious_ |
Burley had zero games managing at the level we appointed him for. Robson the same. Ramsey?
Pep had no relevant manager experience
Arteta?
Farke?
and many more. I think Ipswich do best when they give an exciting new manager the chance to really cut his teeth. Let him make his history with us rather than us hope a has been can rediscover his spark. |
No, Robson managed Fulham in the top flight before coming to us.
Pep Guardiola had no relevant manager experience?!
I'm not totally against the idea though. I'm just saying it's risky when he's so unproven, and doesn't seem the sort of risk people hoping to make some money would entertain. | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:00 - Dec 7 with 781 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:52 - Dec 7 by tractorboy1978 |
Every manager is a risk though isn't it. We've proven time and time again that past success is no guarantee of future success. I wouldn't see Manning as more of a risk personally than someone like Appleton. The past 10-15 years has seen numerous clubs fly past us that haven't thought twice about appointing an up and coming progressive coach with no real first team management experience.
A look into Manning's background and journey so far shows a highly rated coach, that has worked as U23's manager of a Premier League club, been part of/promoted though one of the most impressive club coaching structures in the world (City Group) and has managed well in two (albeit) brief stints at first team level. [Post edited 7 Dec 2021 12:57]
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Yep, indeed, every manager is a risk. And it's true, tried-and-tested managers hasn't worked. That doesn't necessarily mean a novice is going to work either. I just hope we do A LOT more due diligence than Evans appeared to have done in selecting managers (into the manager himself but also his team that would come with him).
And then, after that, I hope we give him more than one window to fix things! | |
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| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 13:06 - Dec 7 with 766 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| HAS to be Manning and Hoggy imo. on 12:55 - Dec 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, Robson managed Fulham in the top flight before coming to us.
Pep Guardiola had no relevant manager experience?!
I'm not totally against the idea though. I'm just saying it's risky when he's so unproven, and doesn't seem the sort of risk people hoping to make some money would entertain. |
ah yeh forgot Fulham - an awful managerial experience is maybe worse than none. Pep manager BarcaB before making Barcelona the greatest club anyone had ever seen.
Agree it's a risk but going for so called tried and tested managers over the past 20 years hasn't done us much good. | | | |
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