| Did we really expect much last night? 06:42 - Dec 8 with 2742 views | wkj |
Whilst Paul Cook and his coaching team were no good at getting results for us, they were hardly tyrants, so, the players were never likely to get a mental boost by the regime being disbanded.
McGreal comes in and has a couple of training sessions at best, hardly any time to do anything mentally, or physically with the team.
Yet a few people were expecting a bounce... it was never going to happen last night.
Don't get me wrong - No one on the footballing payroll of ITFC should feel good about last night, and they should feel ashamed. The performance was half-arsed, and even petulant from some. These are things that the new gaffer is going to have to be ready to shock out of the players who have been complacent more than a few times this season.
That aside - was anyone really that surprised about how it went last night?
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:52 - Dec 8 with 829 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Why is it that Cook was meant to have a bounce, but last night it "was never going to happen"?
Yes, I was surprised at how bad it was last night. But when you think about it, all these players were bought by Cook, and they still clearly had faith in him (unlike Lambert).
We twisted when perhaps we should have stuck. |  |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:54 - Dec 8 with 805 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 07:42 - Dec 8 by Chrisd |
I was, if I’m being honest. You’d like to see some type of reaction and especially from what Morsy had said in the press after PC’s departure. They had let Cook and his coaching staff down and yet put in an even worse performance to confirm matters. The blame certainly doesn’t lie with JM and KD for last night, they didn’t have the time to have any impact. However, the lack of professional pride from our players with such a tepid performance was a real concern. If it wasn’t for Walton, that could’ve been a cricket score. I still strongly believe that there are still quite a few positions up for grabs in our starting XI and have done so for some time and I don’t think we have the answers or the players in our squad to improve those areas. Make no mistake, our club is now in a huge hole and Ashton is going to need an inspired managerial appointment. Incredibly, over the space of a month or so all the enthusiasm and excitement after the Wycombe display has been sapped out of us and we now look a very mediocre L1 side on a downward trend. |
Spot on. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:55 - Dec 8 with 806 views | wkj |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:52 - Dec 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why is it that Cook was meant to have a bounce, but last night it "was never going to happen"?
Yes, I was surprised at how bad it was last night. But when you think about it, all these players were bought by Cook, and they still clearly had faith in him (unlike Lambert).
We twisted when perhaps we should have stuck. |
It's not really anything to do with McG being a caretaker or fully fledged manager as it is that the players were clearly not unhappy with Cook at the helm. How do you lift players who are content - especially with someone who just started at the club for a very different role. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:55 - Dec 8 with 800 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 07:51 - Dec 8 by GavTWTD |
I fear Saturday is also predictable, and this may continue until a new manager is in place. I hope our next manager is an exceptional candidate to galvanize the support. I don't envy MA and his team on this one. Would love to know his short list. |
Yep. And by which time our season definitely will be over. Well done everyone. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:59 - Dec 8 with 789 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:16 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
About on par with Rotherham for me. It Crewe had Washington and Stockley, or even just one of them, that game wouldn't have looked too different to last night either. |
No way Rotherham could've put 6 past us. Charlton clearly could have, or more, if it weren't for Walton. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:25 - Dec 8 with 750 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:50 - Dec 8 by BseaBlue |
Do you honestly believe that would have been much different if Cook was in charge last night? If anything, there were clear comparisons with some of our other terrible performances this season. |
I think the players seemed to have downed tools/were in a huff or just looked lost and confused. So yes, I think it would possibly have been a lot better with Cook still in charge. "Clear comparisons"? Not for me. No other team has looked like it could've quite easily beat us by 6 clear goals in this division. None. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:27 - Dec 8 with 747 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:55 - Dec 8 by wkj |
It's not really anything to do with McG being a caretaker or fully fledged manager as it is that the players were clearly not unhappy with Cook at the helm. How do you lift players who are content - especially with someone who just started at the club for a very different role. |
Indeed. It was never going to be easy. I certainly don't blame McGreal and Dyer. I'd have hoped to see a bit of a reaction (in a positive sense) though. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:28 - Dec 8 with 746 views | timothyeo |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:48 - Dec 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
haha, everyone complained we never got a new manager bounce under Cook... but McGreal gets a free pass because he has the word "caretaker"!
I'm not blaming McGreal, just laughing at the sheer hypocrisy of some on here. You wanted Cook out, you got your wish, and the team puts in its worst performance of the season. Brilliant. |
Apart from Cook came in on the back of a 3 match winning run, with some confidence restored.
Not many criticised his first game either, it wasn't until they realised he was hopelessly worse than Lambert towards the end of the season. |  | | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:28 - Dec 8 with 746 views | BseaBlue |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:25 - Dec 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think the players seemed to have downed tools/were in a huff or just looked lost and confused. So yes, I think it would possibly have been a lot better with Cook still in charge. "Clear comparisons"? Not for me. No other team has looked like it could've quite easily beat us by 6 clear goals in this division. None. |
Clear comparisons in that the midfield was non-existent yet again (particularly through the middle), lack of ability to deal with pressure, physically bullied, not being able to convert possession into clear chances. These are all issues that we have had throughout the season. |  | | |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:30 - Dec 8 with 738 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:28 - Dec 8 by timothyeo |
Apart from Cook came in on the back of a 3 match winning run, with some confidence restored.
Not many criticised his first game either, it wasn't until they realised he was hopelessly worse than Lambert towards the end of the season. |
You're being disingenuous or you have a short memory. There was a slight upturn - a good win, a win by the odd goal and a win against 10 men - with Gill in charge. If anything that slight bounce was due to Lambert being on his way... | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:36 - Dec 8 with 731 views | MaySixth |
No, it was obvious as soon as Cook was sacked.
People melting after the game was weird. |  |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:39 - Dec 8 with 727 views | Ryorry |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:28 - Dec 8 by BseaBlue |
Clear comparisons in that the midfield was non-existent yet again (particularly through the middle), lack of ability to deal with pressure, physically bullied, not being able to convert possession into clear chances. These are all issues that we have had throughout the season. |
There was another thread (sorry can't remember whose), & I said on a different thread to that also, that maybe we've brought in the wrong type of player for L1.
We got in quality, skilled, & flair players who are Championship-ready, whereas what you need to get you outa L1 are players who are just as hairy-arsed, bloody-minded muscle men prepared to stand up to & tank their way through oppositions as those other teams in the league are themselves. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 10:41]
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:45 - Dec 8 with 721 views | itfcsuth |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 07:51 - Dec 8 by GavTWTD |
I fear Saturday is also predictable, and this may continue until a new manager is in place. I hope our next manager is an exceptional candidate to galvanize the support. I don't envy MA and his team on this one. Would love to know his short list. |
Agree.
I fear it could be messy on Saturday, and I hope MA can get a replacement in by the Sunderland game.
It needs to be manager who will get the fans back onboard. |  | | |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:46 - Dec 8 with 717 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
IDK what anyone expected really.
This lot were told they were coming here to build something, the bought into it. Came for a manager who has an exceptional record, sold a dream and had it ripped up after 4 months.
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:46 - Dec 8 with 717 views | BseaBlue |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:39 - Dec 8 by Ryorry |
There was another thread (sorry can't remember whose), & I said on a different thread to that also, that maybe we've brought in the wrong type of player for L1.
We got in quality, skilled, & flair players who are Championship-ready, whereas what you need to get you outa L1 are players who are just as hairy-arsed, bloody-minded muscle men prepared to stand up to & tank their way through oppositions as those other teams in the league are themselves. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 10:41]
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Rotherham, Wycombe, Wigan and Oxford are all good examples of your point! I don't think it will take much adjusting though. I think a bit of a meat head centre half and some more steel in the centre of midfield should be enough to compliment the flair players we do have. | | | |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:48 - Dec 8 with 716 views | Ryorry |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:45 - Dec 8 by itfcsuth |
Agree.
I fear it could be messy on Saturday, and I hope MA can get a replacement in by the Sunderland game.
It needs to be manager who will get the fans back onboard. |
And we're live on TV a few days later ...
Someone needs to get hold of those pups of players necks & give them a good scruffing, or we're going to be nationally embarrassed. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 11:08 - Dec 8 with 696 views | ArnieM |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 08:50 - Dec 8 by BseaBlue |
Do you honestly believe that would have been much different if Cook was in charge last night? If anything, there were clear comparisons with some of our other terrible performances this season. |
Yes I for one do think we’d have performed better. I’m not saying things we’re right or good under Cook over the last month because they clearly weren’t. But had he picked that team last night Donacian would have played a much more influential role in defence in his correct right back position, possibly protecting the CB’s more. We’d have kept possession, thus depriving Charlton of the ball which we so freely gave them time and again with the persistent hoofing it up the pitch as soon as it came into our box.
The team last night played like complete strangers. They we’re clearly trying the “ play with freedom and energy” ( via the Edwards and KVY outlets) requested by McGreal, but as soon as we went 1-0 down the confidence just drained away. |  |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 11:19 - Dec 8 with 686 views | ArnieM |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:28 - Dec 8 by BseaBlue |
Clear comparisons in that the midfield was non-existent yet again (particularly through the middle), lack of ability to deal with pressure, physically bullied, not being able to convert possession into clear chances. These are all issues that we have had throughout the season. |
That’s because we still have the same players to pick from, whoever is picking the team. If the squad is not right from the ver6 start then whoever is in charge can only make so many choices from that squad….which brings you back to that same question again doesn’t it ….who picked the players for that squad when the slate was clean, Cook or Ashton? Perhaps more worrying, is what will the new manager have to work with if he’s not allowed to make significant changes to that squad? He’ll want his own players in situ ..more money …more (perish the thought), TIME. And so this groundhog day continues.
We appear to have got it wrong under the new ownership right from the word go by installing a squad of “ good “ players ( arguably), but one in which a functional TEAM cannot be picked, no matter who is the manager. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 15:24 - Dec 8 with 646 views | wkj |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:48 - Dec 8 by Ryorry |
And we're live on TV a few days later ...
Someone needs to get hold of those pups of players necks & give them a good scruffing, or we're going to be nationally embarrassed. |
Then hopefully we can start giving teams a good old spanking rather than spanking ourselves. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 15:46 - Dec 8 with 631 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 15:24 - Dec 8 by wkj |
Then hopefully we can start giving teams a good old spanking rather than spanking ourselves. |
Kinky. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 15:57 - Dec 8 with 619 views | wkj |
I'm progressive - I'd be okay with a racy calendar with Ashton in full leathers. | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 16:52 - Dec 8 with 595 views | Radlett_blue |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 10:30 - Dec 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're being disingenuous or you have a short memory. There was a slight upturn - a good win, a win by the odd goal and a win against 10 men - with Gill in charge. If anything that slight bounce was due to Lambert being on his way... |
Maybe. However, I also wasn't expecting a good performance or result last night as the sudden dismantling of the first team coaching & managerial squad & a total stranger turning up, who in all probability is only a caretaker, was unlikely to produce something good. If it had, we'd have been asking far more serious questions about Cook. |  |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 17:22 - Dec 8 with 574 views | LeoMuff |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 07:54 - Dec 8 by OriginalMarkyP |
it was totally expected.
I think it will get worse before it gets better.
Cook has needed to go for quite a while and we do feel like a club without a heart or sense of identity.
The players are talented, but they somehow don't feel like ours yet.
I think now Ashton pulled the trigger the spotlight falls on him and he MUST deliver. If he doesn't get this 100% right he's next in the firing line. |
How long ago did you think Cook should have gone ? We beat Wycombe away a month ago and all of September and October our form was top 6. |  |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 17:23 - Dec 8 with 571 views | wkj |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 17:22 - Dec 8 by LeoMuff |
How long ago did you think Cook should have gone ? We beat Wycombe away a month ago and all of September and October our form was top 6. |
IIRC "Nors" was very vocal in his support for Cook, then suddenly had enough and become his biggest critic | |
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| Did we really expect much last night? on 18:55 - Dec 8 with 550 views | Keaneish |
| Did we really expect much last night? on 07:35 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
I was hoping we might get a point but couldn't see us winning. I think we'd have lost the game under Cook given how he's had us playing recently so some of the bed wetting over the result is really rather over the top. It's not often a caretaker comes in and immediately picks up a result in a tough game with a side this low on structure and belief. |
Cook physically scouted the opposition 24-hours before he got the chop to prepare a squad he assembled. And you think this would have yielded a lesser result than that of a manager who had never worked with a squad of players, who was given 48-hours preparation to get a result?
And you wonder why I don’t take you seriously and think your lack of football experience is a key component in your inability to construct logical, rationale debate? Ffs.
Go to my “McGreal horror show” post and start there. |  |
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