| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... 22:49 - Dec 15 with 4043 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/londoners-with-cold-symptoms-more-
Separately, a government science adviser has suggested that panic around the oncoming Omicron wave is unjustified. Speaking in a personal capacity, Prof Robert Dingwall, a government Covid adviser from Nottingham Trent University, told the Daily Telegraph: “The Omicron situation seems to be increasingly absurd. There is obviously a lot of snobbery about South African science and medicine but their top people are as good as any you would find in a more universally developed country. They clearly don’t feel that the elite panic over here is justified, even allowing for the demographic differences in vulnerability — which are probably more than cancelled by the higher vaccination rate.
“My gut feeling is that Omicron is very much like the sort of flu pandemic we planned for — a lot of sickness absence from work in a short period, which will create difficulties for public services and economic activity, but not of such a severity as to be a big problem for the NHS and the funeral business.”
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:04 - Dec 15 with 2202 views | fab_lover |
(borrowed off Reddit) "Yes, but the first symptoms of cancer can often be a back ache".
WE DON'T KNOW. The gap between the first recorded case of Alpha and the first death from it was about 6 weeks.
We didn't know this strain existed a month ago.
As I've said before, the sheer virulence of something that can overtake the dominant strain in this country in a matter of days should worry the sh** out of us; because it only takes a very small % of a very large number to be a very big problem.
Yes, I'm hoping, everyone should, that this turns out to be very virulent but not very effective; but we're not going to know the truth for another 2-4 weeks, and by then, if it does get bad, we are completely, bodies piled up in hospital corridors, f***ked. Just the number of people who are going to test positive and then have to self-isolate is enough to f*** things up big style.
"Let's be careful out there" but not act as if we know what's going to happen, because we don't. Not yet. |  | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:04 - Dec 15 with 2184 views | reusersfreekicks |
One scientist v the rest. Nothing to see or note here |  | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:06 - Dec 15 with 2143 views | Cotty |
I’d rather not go on the gut feeling of one scientist, thanks all the same. |  | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:09 - Dec 15 with 2113 views | ZXBlue |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:04 - Dec 15 by fab_lover |
(borrowed off Reddit) "Yes, but the first symptoms of cancer can often be a back ache".
WE DON'T KNOW. The gap between the first recorded case of Alpha and the first death from it was about 6 weeks.
We didn't know this strain existed a month ago.
As I've said before, the sheer virulence of something that can overtake the dominant strain in this country in a matter of days should worry the sh** out of us; because it only takes a very small % of a very large number to be a very big problem.
Yes, I'm hoping, everyone should, that this turns out to be very virulent but not very effective; but we're not going to know the truth for another 2-4 weeks, and by then, if it does get bad, we are completely, bodies piled up in hospital corridors, f***ked. Just the number of people who are going to test positive and then have to self-isolate is enough to f*** things up big style.
"Let's be careful out there" but not act as if we know what's going to happen, because we don't. Not yet. |
Quite. Its not as if we are being instructed to zip ourselves up in polythene tents for a month is it? Just wear masks in shops and dont go and share your germs with others if you arent clear of infection. |  | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:09 - Dec 15 with 2119 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:04 - Dec 15 by fab_lover |
(borrowed off Reddit) "Yes, but the first symptoms of cancer can often be a back ache".
WE DON'T KNOW. The gap between the first recorded case of Alpha and the first death from it was about 6 weeks.
We didn't know this strain existed a month ago.
As I've said before, the sheer virulence of something that can overtake the dominant strain in this country in a matter of days should worry the sh** out of us; because it only takes a very small % of a very large number to be a very big problem.
Yes, I'm hoping, everyone should, that this turns out to be very virulent but not very effective; but we're not going to know the truth for another 2-4 weeks, and by then, if it does get bad, we are completely, bodies piled up in hospital corridors, f***ked. Just the number of people who are going to test positive and then have to self-isolate is enough to f*** things up big style.
"Let's be careful out there" but not act as if we know what's going to happen, because we don't. Not yet. |
I entirely see where you are coming from but how many weeks/months would it take to gauge the severity of this variant if we go down the 'close all the things and isolate all the poorly people' route? | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:10 - Dec 15 with 2099 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:04 - Dec 15 by reusersfreekicks |
One scientist v the rest. Nothing to see or note here |
It's not though is it? | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:12 - Dec 15 with 2078 views | fab_lover |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:09 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I entirely see where you are coming from but how many weeks/months would it take to gauge the severity of this variant if we go down the 'close all the things and isolate all the poorly people' route? |
A 2 week circuit break. IF it was any other time than Christmas, IF the current excuse for a leader and his underling hadn't consistently broken the rules, given today's rise in cases, we'd be in lockdown right now. No indoor gatherings, essential shops only, schools closed, lockdown.
But it's the wrong time of year and we've got the wrong leader. So literally all we can do is hope. | | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:14 - Dec 15 with 2058 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:06 - Dec 15 by Cotty |
I’d rather not go on the gut feeling of one scientist, thanks all the same. |
"Prof Tim Spector told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that most of the symptoms of Omicron were the same as those of a common cold, including headaches, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue and sneezing.
Spector urged people with cold symptoms — and not just the classic Covid symptoms — to take a test. “Things like fever, cough and loss of smell are now in the minority of symptoms we are seeing,” he said. “Most people don’t have classic symptoms.”
So if it turns out that it isn't going to people's chests and affecting oxygen levels what would the danger be? [Post edited 15 Dec 2021 23:15]
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:15 - Dec 15 with 2040 views | Guthrum |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:09 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I entirely see where you are coming from but how many weeks/months would it take to gauge the severity of this variant if we go down the 'close all the things and isolate all the poorly people' route? |
The risk with a virus like this (given incubation times and how long the disease takes to progress to hospitalisation and death) is that if you wait to see how bad it's going to get, it is already far too late and the thing is galloping out of control.
If the number of infections is only doubling on a daily basis and you wait two weeks, that's over 8,000 cases for each one you started with. |  |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:16 - Dec 15 with 2029 views | ZXBlue |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:09 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I entirely see where you are coming from but how many weeks/months would it take to gauge the severity of this variant if we go down the 'close all the things and isolate all the poorly people' route? |
The same amount of time. And we havent gone anywhere near down that route. Stop minimising it.
Also it appears that the expert referred to in the OP is not a doctor... [Post edited 15 Dec 2021 23:18]
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:16 - Dec 15 with 2018 views | pointofblue |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:12 - Dec 15 by fab_lover |
A 2 week circuit break. IF it was any other time than Christmas, IF the current excuse for a leader and his underling hadn't consistently broken the rules, given today's rise in cases, we'd be in lockdown right now. No indoor gatherings, essential shops only, schools closed, lockdown.
But it's the wrong time of year and we've got the wrong leader. So literally all we can do is hope. |
That's the thing - if Omicron had mutated a month later I doubt many people would have been fussed if a circuit breaker had taken place in January. | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:16 - Dec 15 with 2014 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:09 - Dec 15 by ZXBlue |
Quite. Its not as if we are being instructed to zip ourselves up in polythene tents for a month is it? Just wear masks in shops and dont go and share your germs with others if you arent clear of infection. |
There are definitely a noisy cohort on here demanding more. | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:18 - Dec 15 with 1979 views | eireblue |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:14 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"Prof Tim Spector told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that most of the symptoms of Omicron were the same as those of a common cold, including headaches, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue and sneezing.
Spector urged people with cold symptoms — and not just the classic Covid symptoms — to take a test. “Things like fever, cough and loss of smell are now in the minority of symptoms we are seeing,” he said. “Most people don’t have classic symptoms.”
So if it turns out that it isn't going to people's chests and affecting oxygen levels what would the danger be? [Post edited 15 Dec 2021 23:15]
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..if it turns out…
Dingwall’s comments were at odds with those of the papers’s authors, who warned that South Africa’s experience of Omicron might not be a reliable indicator for how the Omicron outbreak unfolds in other countries. And the head of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said on Tuesday it would be “wrong for people to consider Omicron as mild”. |  | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:19 - Dec 15 with 1948 views | ZXBlue |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:16 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
There are definitely a noisy cohort on here demanding more. |
Really? Where? | | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:20 - Dec 15 with 1941 views | fab_lover |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:14 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"Prof Tim Spector told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that most of the symptoms of Omicron were the same as those of a common cold, including headaches, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue and sneezing.
Spector urged people with cold symptoms — and not just the classic Covid symptoms — to take a test. “Things like fever, cough and loss of smell are now in the minority of symptoms we are seeing,” he said. “Most people don’t have classic symptoms.”
So if it turns out that it isn't going to people's chests and affecting oxygen levels what would the danger be? [Post edited 15 Dec 2021 23:15]
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The issue is, if you read the timelines of people who've died with this, very few died within a week or two of getting it. People who got the previous version, with yes, different symptoms, would get worse - sometimes after feeling better for a while - and then go into hospital, and then spend weeks or months dying there.
This isn't like the Spanish Flu which could kill within hours of symptoms.
The fact that the *symptoms* aren't the same as Delta means nothing when it comes to the *outcomes*. Personally, I think that it's more likely than not that we'll be OK, but that's "thinking and hoping". We're not "knowing", and at this rate of growth, by the time we do know, IF it's even 20% as bad as Delta in terms of morbidity, we're going to see carnage. So let's hope we don't. | | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:20 - Dec 15 with 1940 views | Guthrum |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:14 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"Prof Tim Spector told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that most of the symptoms of Omicron were the same as those of a common cold, including headaches, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue and sneezing.
Spector urged people with cold symptoms — and not just the classic Covid symptoms — to take a test. “Things like fever, cough and loss of smell are now in the minority of symptoms we are seeing,” he said. “Most people don’t have classic symptoms.”
So if it turns out that it isn't going to people's chests and affecting oxygen levels what would the danger be? [Post edited 15 Dec 2021 23:15]
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It was never "going onto people's chests" which affected the oxygen levels. It was the fact Covid tampers with oxygen absorbtion. Which is why ventilators turned out to be of limited use. | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:21 - Dec 15 with 1920 views | giant_stow |
Know what you mean and anything Tim Spector says on this whole thing is worth listening to. |  |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:21 - Dec 15 with 1916 views | Trequartista |
That's because it's probably mutated with someone who had covid and a coronavirus common cold at the same time. The problem is the sheer numbers we're getting in winter mean even a weaker covid could cause hospitals to overflow.
If we can get through this wave, my feeling is we're in good shape with herd immunity, and then to get another variant more transmissible than this would be likely to be weaker again. Coronavirus colds have been around for decades and never mutate to become dangerous, so hopefully the same logic will eventually apply to covid. I'm not an expert of course, i just need to keep looking at the positive and some logic to keep morale up! |  |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:22 - Dec 15 with 1893 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:16 - Dec 15 by ZXBlue |
The same amount of time. And we havent gone anywhere near down that route. Stop minimising it.
Also it appears that the expert referred to in the OP is not a doctor... [Post edited 15 Dec 2021 23:18]
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How is referencing what I have minimising something, the severity of which you know no more or less than I about? | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:23 - Dec 15 with 1858 views | StokieBlue |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:21 - Dec 15 by Trequartista |
That's because it's probably mutated with someone who had covid and a coronavirus common cold at the same time. The problem is the sheer numbers we're getting in winter mean even a weaker covid could cause hospitals to overflow.
If we can get through this wave, my feeling is we're in good shape with herd immunity, and then to get another variant more transmissible than this would be likely to be weaker again. Coronavirus colds have been around for decades and never mutate to become dangerous, so hopefully the same logic will eventually apply to covid. I'm not an expert of course, i just need to keep looking at the positive and some logic to keep morale up! |
Herd immunity isn't possible if people can still be infected and pass it on. It only works when either infection or vaccination prevents someone passing it on so that when enough people have that immunity, those without immunity (ie. no vaccine) are at a tiny risk of running into the virus.
I suspect you don't actually mean herd immunity?
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:24 - Dec 15 with 1812 views | ZXBlue |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:22 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
How is referencing what I have minimising something, the severity of which you know no more or less than I about? |
You keep doing it and are doing it again. | | | |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:25 - Dec 15 with 1809 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:18 - Dec 15 by eireblue |
..if it turns out…
Dingwall’s comments were at odds with those of the papers’s authors, who warned that South Africa’s experience of Omicron might not be a reliable indicator for how the Omicron outbreak unfolds in other countries. And the head of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said on Tuesday it would be “wrong for people to consider Omicron as mild”. |
So lots of people don't know, however the list of symptoms referenced by the Professor are relatively promising. | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:25 - Dec 15 with 1800 views | giant_stow |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:20 - Dec 15 by fab_lover |
The issue is, if you read the timelines of people who've died with this, very few died within a week or two of getting it. People who got the previous version, with yes, different symptoms, would get worse - sometimes after feeling better for a while - and then go into hospital, and then spend weeks or months dying there.
This isn't like the Spanish Flu which could kill within hours of symptoms.
The fact that the *symptoms* aren't the same as Delta means nothing when it comes to the *outcomes*. Personally, I think that it's more likely than not that we'll be OK, but that's "thinking and hoping". We're not "knowing", and at this rate of growth, by the time we do know, IF it's even 20% as bad as Delta in terms of morbidity, we're going to see carnage. So let's hope we don't. |
Didn't know that about the tmelines, in your fist para. Ta | |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:25 - Dec 15 with 1805 views | homer_123 |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:23 - Dec 15 by StokieBlue |
Herd immunity isn't possible if people can still be infected and pass it on. It only works when either infection or vaccination prevents someone passing it on so that when enough people have that immunity, those without immunity (ie. no vaccine) are at a tiny risk of running into the virus.
I suspect you don't actually mean herd immunity?
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Indeed - I think I posted a week or so ago. A parent of a child in my lads football team - has contracted Covid three times....that certainly isn't herd immunity. |  |
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| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:26 - Dec 15 with 1793 views | homer_123 |
| Omicron might turn out to be a nasty cold after all.... on 23:16 - Dec 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
There are definitely a noisy cohort on here demanding more. |
Who? | |
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