| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 18:39 - Jan 24 with 2146 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 18:34 - Jan 24 by Pinewoodblue |
The incident hasn't yet been investigated. He has been charged and has time to respond. Clearly, from what Phil has written, it will be disputed so presumably he is available tomorrow evening.
This incident is no more than ten yards from the touchline and follows a throw on the halfway line. In other words under the nose of an Assistant Referee and the fourth official.
Hopefully no one from the FA will read the negative comments in this thread. Cannot understand why we have so many contributors who are forever looking to give the club a good kicking. |
Why is understanding why he's been charged seen as giving the club a good kicking? |  |
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| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 18:44 - Jan 24 with 2108 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 18:39 - Jan 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Why is understanding why he's been charged seen as giving the club a good kicking? |
Because you are are eager to accept he is guilty as charged.
Neither the Assistant referee or fourth official saw any sign of intent otherwise it would have been drawn to the attention of the referee.
It is worthy of investigation nothing more, at this stage. |  |
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 18:47 - Jan 24 with 2094 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 18:02 - Jan 24 by Kentish_Tractor |
He intentionally raised his hands to an opposition player and made contact with his face. The other guy puts his arms up to block Morsy's run, but that doen't absolve Morsy of his reaction.
Doesn't matter how hard the contact was or if he meant to hit him in the face (I think he just meant to push the guy away but missed). Still, in the modern game, it's a red card.
You'd have to be wearing incredibly blue-tinted spectacles to say it isn't. He hit the guy while facing him, it wasn't accidental. Rules are rules. |
You must have better eyesight than me if you can see Morsy definitely "made contact with his face." |  |
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| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 18:48 - Jan 24 with 2082 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 18:44 - Jan 24 by Pinewoodblue |
Because you are are eager to accept he is guilty as charged.
Neither the Assistant referee or fourth official saw any sign of intent otherwise it would have been drawn to the attention of the referee.
It is worthy of investigation nothing more, at this stage. |
I'd prefer it that he's not guilty tbh for the benefit of the team. The hope is the clubs appeal in reference to the 4th official May lead to what you say they, it was seen and despite not being reported on, they felt there was nothing in it.
But whilst the above is a small possibility, it doesn't change the fact that he took a Swipe in retaliation. Something he didn't need to do and wouldn't have put himself in this situation. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 18:51]
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 18:52 - Jan 24 with 2059 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 18:05 - Jan 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Holding off a player isn't chargeable. Morsys reaction enables the charges put to him. It really isn't questionable at all and it's an easy win for the fa on this one. |
I'm questioning your description of it, not what the FA can get away with. | |
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| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 19:18 - Jan 24 with 1991 views | EastTownBlue |
| 4 game bad could be an issue… with Sheff Weds and MK on 18:44 - Jan 24 by Pinewoodblue |
Because you are are eager to accept he is guilty as charged.
Neither the Assistant referee or fourth official saw any sign of intent otherwise it would have been drawn to the attention of the referee.
It is worthy of investigation nothing more, at this stage. |
If any of the officials saw the incident and no action was taken at the time the FA cannot charge him. How the hell the fourth official didn't see whatever happened I have no idea.
It is very rare for the FA to issue charges without suceeding in taking action it must said though. |  | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:31 - Jan 24 with 1952 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 17:41 - Jan 24 by FrimleyBlue |
It's quite obvious though regardless of the end result, the intention was to strike the opponent. It's not even questionable..
He just has admit and take the ban. Unless he can prove the officials saw it. |
"Unless he can prove the officials saw it." rather contradicts the contention it was obvious. If the reaction of their player can be trusted, it does look like what he has been charged for. The club should be collecting clear footage of their players making a meal of everything and then point out that is exactly what is happening here. It is right in front of the fourth official who should be asked for his comment on it.
Their hamilton has put his arm out full length to grab Morsy and should receive a retrospective booking for that clear foul. Morsy's running momentum could easily have led to the arm action shown and, if we can prove he has been simulating all match through, he should receive a second retrospective booking for simulation when it is shown that he gets straight up again.
Nothing for Morsy and a red card for their player would wipe the smile off andy holt's face wouldn't it?
Is andy holt related to that ex-nodge lump? He was excellent at these sort of dramatics too wasn't he? [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 19:40]
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:38 - Jan 24 with 1932 views | jayessess |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:31 - Jan 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Unless he can prove the officials saw it." rather contradicts the contention it was obvious. If the reaction of their player can be trusted, it does look like what he has been charged for. The club should be collecting clear footage of their players making a meal of everything and then point out that is exactly what is happening here. It is right in front of the fourth official who should be asked for his comment on it.
Their hamilton has put his arm out full length to grab Morsy and should receive a retrospective booking for that clear foul. Morsy's running momentum could easily have led to the arm action shown and, if we can prove he has been simulating all match through, he should receive a second retrospective booking for simulation when it is shown that he gets straight up again.
Nothing for Morsy and a red card for their player would wipe the smile off andy holt's face wouldn't it?
Is andy holt related to that ex-nodge lump? He was excellent at these sort of dramatics too wasn't he? [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 19:40]
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Don't think that'll do us much good sadly. The FA bods have watched it, made their minds up that it was a red card offence, checked with the officials they hadn't seen it and only then charged him. Think it's nailed on he'll get the violent conduct ban. |  |
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:43 - Jan 24 with 1924 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:38 - Jan 24 by jayessess |
Don't think that'll do us much good sadly. The FA bods have watched it, made their minds up that it was a red card offence, checked with the officials they hadn't seen it and only then charged him. Think it's nailed on he'll get the violent conduct ban. |
Do they check with the officials first? If they have not seen it and the only evidence is this video clip, then footage of them diving and making a meal of everything the whole match through coupled with how he gets straight back up afterwards and the lack of clear video evidence should be enough to clear him. | |
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:56 - Jan 24 with 1897 views | FrimleyBlue |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:43 - Jan 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Do they check with the officials first? If they have not seen it and the only evidence is this video clip, then footage of them diving and making a meal of everything the whole match through coupled with how he gets straight back up afterwards and the lack of clear video evidence should be enough to clear him. |
What else happens in the game and what happens after the event is irrelevant to the charge. I appreciate you want to defend a town player but the fa aren't interested in what else went on, only what they've been directed to review and subsequently charged Morsy for.
If town did want other things looked into they'd have to ask for the fa to review those incidents separately. But they can't be included in the officials reports. | |
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 07:15 - Jan 25 with 1786 views | franz_tyson |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:56 - Jan 24 by FrimleyBlue |
What else happens in the game and what happens after the event is irrelevant to the charge. I appreciate you want to defend a town player but the fa aren't interested in what else went on, only what they've been directed to review and subsequently charged Morsy for.
If town did want other things looked into they'd have to ask for the fa to review those incidents separately. But they can't be included in the officials reports. |
I see where you’re coming from, but there’s context to this incident. Even Brenner Wooley picked up on this from the start that Accrington were trying to get Morsy booked. There’s beef following the last game and it was obvious they targeted Morsy from the start.
It wasn’t as if it was obvious Morsy pre-meditated this. Arms going up towards him and Morsy reacting with an outstretched palm off/slap/jab(?). Having watched it so many times, I wouldn’t rule out a jab to the face from Morsy, but they have to be certain it was. Not sure they can say 100% it was.
If the FA are trying to make an example out of Morsy for the good of the game, then I don’t think it will achieve that. It’ll just give more justification for teams like Accrington to adopt tactics like this. It shouldn’t be teams who use the dark arts better win. The way Holt approached this after the game isn’t a good look for football whereby he’s using social media and vilifying a player by calling him a ‘sh*thouse’. By being so personal , it just gives more credence to the feeling that Morsy was targeted from the start.
But if the panel are only interested in an isolated incident and are able to make a judgement and subsequent ban on a flimsy 51% probability then Morsy is probably toast. And it will only mean teams like Accrington keep on doing this. Do the FA want referees to be constantly badgered by players wanting yellows and reds? | | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 07:26 - Jan 25 with 1771 views | DJR |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:56 - Jan 24 by FrimleyBlue |
What else happens in the game and what happens after the event is irrelevant to the charge. I appreciate you want to defend a town player but the fa aren't interested in what else went on, only what they've been directed to review and subsequently charged Morsy for.
If town did want other things looked into they'd have to ask for the fa to review those incidents separately. But they can't be included in the officials reports. |
Agreed. In a political context, this is known as "whataboutery", namely, the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue. |  | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 07:39 - Jan 25 with 1736 views | bluejacko |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 19:56 - Jan 24 by FrimleyBlue |
What else happens in the game and what happens after the event is irrelevant to the charge. I appreciate you want to defend a town player but the fa aren't interested in what else went on, only what they've been directed to review and subsequently charged Morsy for.
If town did want other things looked into they'd have to ask for the fa to review those incidents separately. But they can't be included in the officials reports. |
So who directed the FA to look at it then? If they are not interested in what else went on in the game perhaps we should get someone to direct their focus on whatever else was going on! | | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 08:12 - Jan 25 with 1715 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 07:39 - Jan 25 by bluejacko |
So who directed the FA to look at it then? If they are not interested in what else went on in the game perhaps we should get someone to direct their focus on whatever else was going on! |
Accrington Chairmain obviously made a complaint. Tw@t |  | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 08:15 - Jan 25 with 1707 views | Ely_Blue |
This is Morsy next time he comes up against Accrington.
And then while the player is on the floor he whispers…………. “That’s violent conduct……..” |  |
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 08:27 - Jan 25 with 1674 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 07:15 - Jan 25 by franz_tyson |
I see where you’re coming from, but there’s context to this incident. Even Brenner Wooley picked up on this from the start that Accrington were trying to get Morsy booked. There’s beef following the last game and it was obvious they targeted Morsy from the start.
It wasn’t as if it was obvious Morsy pre-meditated this. Arms going up towards him and Morsy reacting with an outstretched palm off/slap/jab(?). Having watched it so many times, I wouldn’t rule out a jab to the face from Morsy, but they have to be certain it was. Not sure they can say 100% it was.
If the FA are trying to make an example out of Morsy for the good of the game, then I don’t think it will achieve that. It’ll just give more justification for teams like Accrington to adopt tactics like this. It shouldn’t be teams who use the dark arts better win. The way Holt approached this after the game isn’t a good look for football whereby he’s using social media and vilifying a player by calling him a ‘sh*thouse’. By being so personal , it just gives more credence to the feeling that Morsy was targeted from the start.
But if the panel are only interested in an isolated incident and are able to make a judgement and subsequent ban on a flimsy 51% probability then Morsy is probably toast. And it will only mean teams like Accrington keep on doing this. Do the FA want referees to be constantly badgered by players wanting yellows and reds? |
So I think I agree with this. There is some value in referring to the context of what has gone before. If the Fourth Official has witnessed non-stop falling over and arm waving towards the referee for the duration of the game (note we were just 27 minutes in, but i think we had all seen enough of that behaviour in that game by then to see that the tone had been set), he might well have seen Hamilton collapse to the floor and thought "well, its just another of those incidents" - so he might have seen the incident, but not clocked what had happened. I am not saying it is a winning argument - but it does have merit.
BTW, anyone else think as soon as they came out - a bunch of giants in red - that the game was going to end 2-2 (like Morecambe and Wimbledon). Progress is being made | | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 08:30 - Jan 25 with 1667 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 18:02 - Jan 24 by Kentish_Tractor |
He intentionally raised his hands to an opposition player and made contact with his face. The other guy puts his arms up to block Morsy's run, but that doen't absolve Morsy of his reaction.
Doesn't matter how hard the contact was or if he meant to hit him in the face (I think he just meant to push the guy away but missed). Still, in the modern game, it's a red card.
You'd have to be wearing incredibly blue-tinted spectacles to say it isn't. He hit the guy while facing him, it wasn't accidental. Rules are rules. |
Hope the FA don’t make the same mistake as you and think just because their bloke clutches his face, Morsy actually caught him in the face. |  |
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 09:04 - Jan 25 with 1618 views | RobTheMonk |
I wonder if he pleads accidental in that he was trying to push the player out the way to get past.
Either way, the state of modern football and all the diving, cheating shenanigans needs sorting out. |  | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 09:22 - Jan 25 with 1597 views | DJR |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 08:30 - Jan 25 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Hope the FA don’t make the same mistake as you and think just because their bloke clutches his face, Morsy actually caught him in the face. |
I was watching Morsy when it happened, and had a better angle than the TV. Morsy struck him in the face with what I would call a low haymaker. Maybe he didn't intend to do it but it was a clear red card. The only hope for us is that the TV angle proves inconclusive, and there isn't video footage from a different angle. | | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:12 - Jan 25 with 1530 views | Bluroo |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 09:22 - Jan 25 by DJR |
I was watching Morsy when it happened, and had a better angle than the TV. Morsy struck him in the face with what I would call a low haymaker. Maybe he didn't intend to do it but it was a clear red card. The only hope for us is that the TV angle proves inconclusive, and there isn't video footage from a different angle. |
With all due respect, I don't find your opinion any more credible because you claimed to be there, were watching it and had a better view. There could be misplaced confidence in what you think you saw.
Fwiw I think the video shows that Morsey made contact with the other players upper arm/shoulder area (which would be consistent with pushing the other players hand off him). It's not far off conclusively proving Morsey didn't make contact with the face imo.
The whole point is the gamesmanship here. The other player is trying to get Morsey sent off. We criticise the referees when they don't see it in real time... | | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:15 - Jan 25 with 1524 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:12 - Jan 25 by Bluroo |
With all due respect, I don't find your opinion any more credible because you claimed to be there, were watching it and had a better view. There could be misplaced confidence in what you think you saw.
Fwiw I think the video shows that Morsey made contact with the other players upper arm/shoulder area (which would be consistent with pushing the other players hand off him). It's not far off conclusively proving Morsey didn't make contact with the face imo.
The whole point is the gamesmanship here. The other player is trying to get Morsey sent off. We criticise the referees when they don't see it in real time... |
Indeed. And something I haven't seen anyone mention - as much as Morsy can be a dirty sod and loves a battle, why on earth would he punch another player in the face (particularly after something as innocuous as an Ipswich throw)? | |
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:25 - Jan 25 with 1495 views | DJR |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:12 - Jan 25 by Bluroo |
With all due respect, I don't find your opinion any more credible because you claimed to be there, were watching it and had a better view. There could be misplaced confidence in what you think you saw.
Fwiw I think the video shows that Morsey made contact with the other players upper arm/shoulder area (which would be consistent with pushing the other players hand off him). It's not far off conclusively proving Morsey didn't make contact with the face imo.
The whole point is the gamesmanship here. The other player is trying to get Morsey sent off. We criticise the referees when they don't see it in real time... |
We could argue this til the cows come home, but it will have no bearing on what action the FA take. [Post edited 25 Jan 2022 10:26]
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| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:27 - Jan 25 with 1480 views | tractorboy1978 |
Whether it is right or wrong, it is going to be a 4 game ban. | | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:49 - Jan 25 with 1435 views | DJR |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 10:25 - Jan 25 by DJR |
We could argue this til the cows come home, but it will have no bearing on what action the FA take. [Post edited 25 Jan 2022 10:26]
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Incidentally, the whole game is available on I-Follow, and you can watch at quarter speed. The incident is at about 26.40 of the first half. | | | |
| BOLLOX. Sounds like Morsy... on 11:15 - Jan 25 with 1376 views | bluejacko |
Well I am very pleased that some of you despite witnessing our players being victims of all sorts oN and off the ball have the decency and in the name of fairness to condemn one of our own players for an alleged punch! It really does beggar belief! | | | |
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