| Arise Sir Keir 15:45 - Jan 31 with 5062 views | bluelagos |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 17:45 - Jan 31 with 1629 views | ZXBlue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:02 - Jan 31 by HARRY10 |
utter nonsense !
The only one with the ba;;s to state that the bloated buffoon misled and lied to the House
And was prepared to stand by his words |
On this occasion I agree with him.
How can you ever deal with someone deliberately misleading the hosue, if you are not allowed to say it. |  | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:50 - Jan 31 with 1612 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:43 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
You just have to google Ian Blackford Charles Kennedy to find multiple articles from different publications on the issue. Shouting "smear" as a default can only get you so far. |
I have googled it.
Little of substance and no link to Blackford. Funnily enough on my Google search I did see the Times asking whether he “had the bottle” back in 2004 and the LibDems throwing him out as their leader over it.
Occam’s Razor is always to suspect hypocrisy and opportunism in politics until proven otherwise.
And whatever certain SNP activists did similarly is no way to treat Kennedy who A) had a disease and B) was a nice man and force for good in politics. |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 17:54 - Jan 31 with 1586 views | Mullet |
He might just be the calm voice to put the country back together again (as much as is possible before an election cycle and years of Tory misrule set in) |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 17:54 - Jan 31 with 1576 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:44 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
Like I did on this thread, you mean? 😀
Anyway, now you’ve raised it ... why do I have to like Starmer and think his centre-right politics is appealing or right for the country?
The Tories may be sh!tter but this is no real alternative direction for a country that badly needs it IMO. We need a bit more than a change of management. |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 18:00 - Jan 31 with 1555 views | HARRY10 |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:43 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
You just have to google Ian Blackford Charles Kennedy to find multiple articles from different publications on the issue. Shouting "smear" as a default can only get you so far. |
I haven't googled what you suggest as it amounts to little more than more rightie distraction by smear.
You sound as dim as the stupid Tory woman MP who made an ar se of herself when she whinged about wasting Parliamentary time, when Parliament should be getting on with clearing up the mess the Tories made.
The Speaker caused laughter from both sides of the House when he pointed out that Johnson was there to specifically answer questions about his statement to the House.
Whether Blackford is a mass murderer, or something, it does not detract from what he said in the House this afternoon. That you have done your forelock tugging 'master knows best' crawling, is exactly the reason Johnson thinks he is entitled to pss it up while others obey the rules. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 18:00 - Jan 31 with 1553 views | Darth_Koont |
Gmpf.
It was your side that lost their load prematurely.
And coming from you??!!
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| Arise Sir Keir on 18:04 - Jan 31 with 1534 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 18:00 - Jan 31 by HARRY10 |
I haven't googled what you suggest as it amounts to little more than more rightie distraction by smear.
You sound as dim as the stupid Tory woman MP who made an ar se of herself when she whinged about wasting Parliamentary time, when Parliament should be getting on with clearing up the mess the Tories made.
The Speaker caused laughter from both sides of the House when he pointed out that Johnson was there to specifically answer questions about his statement to the House.
Whether Blackford is a mass murderer, or something, it does not detract from what he said in the House this afternoon. That you have done your forelock tugging 'master knows best' crawling, is exactly the reason Johnson thinks he is entitled to pss it up while others obey the rules. |
New New Labour hate the left and the SNP more than anyone else. Because both the left and the SNP (for different reasons) want to stop them getting their snouts in the trough. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 18:14 - Jan 31 with 1494 views | tractordownsouth |
| Arise Sir Keir on 18:04 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
New New Labour hate the left and the SNP more than anyone else. Because both the left and the SNP (for different reasons) want to stop them getting their snouts in the trough. |
“The left and the SNP”
At least you’re right that the SNP aren’t on the left!
And Starmer isn’t New Labour |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 18:17 - Jan 31 with 1480 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 18:14 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
“The left and the SNP”
At least you’re right that the SNP aren’t on the left!
And Starmer isn’t New Labour |
Yeah ...? | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 18:20 - Jan 31 with 1462 views | tractordownsouth |
| Arise Sir Keir on 18:00 - Jan 31 by HARRY10 |
I haven't googled what you suggest as it amounts to little more than more rightie distraction by smear.
You sound as dim as the stupid Tory woman MP who made an ar se of herself when she whinged about wasting Parliamentary time, when Parliament should be getting on with clearing up the mess the Tories made.
The Speaker caused laughter from both sides of the House when he pointed out that Johnson was there to specifically answer questions about his statement to the House.
Whether Blackford is a mass murderer, or something, it does not detract from what he said in the House this afternoon. That you have done your forelock tugging 'master knows best' crawling, is exactly the reason Johnson thinks he is entitled to pss it up while others obey the rules. |
Where on earth have I done any “forelock-tugging?” I can’t stand Johnson and the reason I wasn’t happy with Blackford was that by making it about him he threatened the anti-Johnson momentum. Thankfully it didn’t matter in the long run as the PM didn’t recover.
You calling people dim is similar to that, all about making yourself feel good rather than trying to persuade me of your argument. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 18:22 - Jan 31 with 1446 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:54 - Jan 31 by Mullet |
He might just be the calm voice to put the country back together again (as much as is possible before an election cycle and years of Tory misrule set in) |
Why anyone thinks Starmer wouldn’t make a better PM and actively undermines him is a bit of a mystery to me. Surely the only people who could back Johnson’s government are those who benefit with financial or career gains, or his family (and there’s no guarantee they like him!). There’s no reason for anyone else to keep supporting him. |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 19:54 - Jan 31 with 1379 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 18:22 - Jan 31 by Swansea_Blue |
Why anyone thinks Starmer wouldn’t make a better PM and actively undermines him is a bit of a mystery to me. Surely the only people who could back Johnson’s government are those who benefit with financial or career gains, or his family (and there’s no guarantee they like him!). There’s no reason for anyone else to keep supporting him. |
I suppose it depends on how much people think Blair, Brown and New Labour kept us away from the inevitability of Johnson for so long or actually helped create it.
Genuine question. And I’d like people to answer it.
Personally, I think where we are is the legacy of Thatcher, New Labour, Cameron etc. as just a slow, belly-gazing slide into non-government and non-leadership. If not, what politics do we want to be returning to?
But this suits the industry of politics and political journalism down to the ground. I mean what I say about the sort of people who are interested in power but not policy and change. For them politics is a fetish and a game that also happens to pay very well. I’m guessing they’re also big fans of F1, Man Utd and love James Corden. F@cking sociopaths 😀 | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 19:57 - Jan 31 with 1367 views | jas0999 |
Mays was better in my view and that’s not a political comment. Thought she was excellent. For Starmer, a very easy day in the office. Couldn’t lose. Boris must go. End of. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:01 - Jan 31 with 1356 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 19:57 - Jan 31 by jas0999 |
Mays was better in my view and that’s not a political comment. Thought she was excellent. For Starmer, a very easy day in the office. Couldn’t lose. Boris must go. End of. |
May who went for a hard Brexit straight off the bat to consolidate her leadership?
Don’t give these opportunists any credit. It’s because the system is filled with them that Johnson, the daddy of opportunistic w&nkers, got anywhere near power in the first place. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 20:07 - Jan 31 with 1333 views | jas0999 |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:01 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
May who went for a hard Brexit straight off the bat to consolidate her leadership?
Don’t give these opportunists any credit. It’s because the system is filled with them that Johnson, the daddy of opportunistic w&nkers, got anywhere near power in the first place. |
Why not? Why not be fair when credit is due? She called this farce of a PM Out today. No political gain - no career move to be PM. She’s been there. Sorry, but thought she did well. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:18 - Jan 31 with 1311 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:07 - Jan 31 by jas0999 |
Why not? Why not be fair when credit is due? She called this farce of a PM Out today. No political gain - no career move to be PM. She’s been there. Sorry, but thought she did well. |
I’d rather politicians did better on the big issues and tough decisions affecting the country.
I don’t give them any credit for knowing which way the wind is blowing on party political stuff. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 20:22 - Jan 31 with 1300 views | ZXBlue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:07 - Jan 31 by jas0999 |
Why not? Why not be fair when credit is due? She called this farce of a PM Out today. No political gain - no career move to be PM. She’s been there. Sorry, but thought she did well. |
Quite. Some people are so partisan they cannot actually deal with the issues and arguments. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:24 - Jan 31 with 1298 views | jeera |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:18 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
I’d rather politicians did better on the big issues and tough decisions affecting the country.
I don’t give them any credit for knowing which way the wind is blowing on party political stuff. |
She and others have had plenty of time to speak up.
It's only now there's some safety in the numbers circling that there's more confidence, and, let's face it, a will to survive.
There's a handful standing by him but only because they are of each other's making and have too much to lose when he goes down. |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 20:37 - Jan 31 with 1267 views | ZXBlue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:24 - Jan 31 by jeera |
She and others have had plenty of time to speak up.
It's only now there's some safety in the numbers circling that there's more confidence, and, let's face it, a will to survive.
There's a handful standing by him but only because they are of each other's making and have too much to lose when he goes down. |
She has spoken up previously. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:44 - Jan 31 with 1237 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:37 - Jan 31 by ZXBlue |
She has spoken up previously. |
As has the former leader of the Scottish Tories.
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| Arise Sir Keir on 21:01 - Jan 31 with 1193 views | jeera |
| Arise Sir Keir on 20:37 - Jan 31 by ZXBlue |
She has spoken up previously. |
I don't mean just this caper and the Johnson they all seem to see only now.
If any of them had integrity they would have shouted loudly about the propaganda surrounding Brexit, the PPE scandal and all the other baggage that has made him and his cronies unsuitable to lead the country.
Why not call out these parties at the time? Anyone who went along with all this over the past few years is complicit.
Went along with it didn't they. All stayed in their jobs.
Everyone saw this coming - Johnson was never a suitable candidate for the role of PM. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 21:14 - Jan 31 with 1166 views | Seablu |
I’ll leave you a space to cut and paste an amusing ‘irony meter’ gif for yourself
You have the self awareness of a spittoon. |  | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 10:50 - Feb 1 with 1053 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:44 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
Like I did on this thread, you mean? 😀
Anyway, now you’ve raised it ... why do I have to like Starmer and think his centre-right politics is appealing or right for the country?
The Tories may be sh!tter but this is no real alternative direction for a country that badly needs it IMO. We need a bit more than a change of management. |
Yes - just like this thread which was praising Starmer for his speech but you've come in at a different angle and decided to criticise a publication based on how they treated your idol Corbyn. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 10:57 - Feb 1 with 1033 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 10:50 - Feb 1 by PassionNotAnger |
Yes - just like this thread which was praising Starmer for his speech but you've come in at a different angle and decided to criticise a publication based on how they treated your idol Corbyn. |
No, I dropped it in for illustrative purposes. You then jumped in with both feet and made it about Starmer.
Andrew Neil, Fraser Nelson and Stephen Daisley – all at the Spectator – have the biggest hard-on for rubbishing the SNP. They’re massively unbalanced. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 11:07 - Feb 1 with 993 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Arise Sir Keir on 10:57 - Feb 1 by Darth_Koont |
No, I dropped it in for illustrative purposes. You then jumped in with both feet and made it about Starmer.
Andrew Neil, Fraser Nelson and Stephen Daisley – all at the Spectator – have the biggest hard-on for rubbishing the SNP. They’re massively unbalanced. |
The thread was about Starmer you numpty - his name was even in the title - it's hardly me trying to make it about him was it??? - You were trying to take it off tangent as there was a few people praising him that is clearly something you aren't comfortable with | | | |
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