| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating 15:28 - Mar 22 with 9602 views | itfcjoe |
Well worth a listen |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:30 - Mar 22 with 5457 views | hype313 |
Shame Keiron's still on Dial Up.
Quite the interview, can see him welling up.
Basically, there is no pathway to the first team from the 23's, quite sad really. [Post edited 22 Mar 2022 15:36]
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:38 - Mar 22 with 5322 views | Metal_Hacker |
Yeah good watch - really hope it doesn't leave a bad taste in his mouth |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:38 - Mar 22 with 5307 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:30 - Mar 22 by hype313 |
Shame Keiron's still on Dial Up.
Quite the interview, can see him welling up.
Basically, there is no pathway to the first team from the 23's, quite sad really. [Post edited 22 Mar 2022 15:36]
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No pathway for him or the players? |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:39 - Mar 22 with 5302 views | gtsb1966 |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:30 - Mar 22 by hype313 |
Shame Keiron's still on Dial Up.
Quite the interview, can see him welling up.
Basically, there is no pathway to the first team from the 23's, quite sad really. [Post edited 22 Mar 2022 15:36]
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I just can't see the logic in that if it's true. If someone is good enough they'll get in surely. |  | | |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:39 - Mar 22 with 5281 views | Vic |
Really good interview. Well done statman, and thanks Kieron for thoughtful honesty. |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:42 - Mar 22 with 5219 views | hype313 |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:38 - Mar 22 by Illinoisblue |
No pathway for him or the players? |
Both | |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:43 - Mar 22 with 5205 views | pointofblue |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:38 - Mar 22 by Illinoisblue |
No pathway for him or the players? |
Both.
Highlighted he feels young players are not being given the chance (specifically states he feels Humphrys is the second best central midfielder at the club after Morsy and queries why Simpson isn’t given a chance when Bonne isn’t our player and Jackson/Norwood are out of contract at the end of the season). He did say this is his opinion and McKenna could be right with his viewpoint.
He also realised he won’t have a chance of managing Ipswich without managerial experience elsewhere when McGreal was brought in and given the temporary post after Cook’s departure. |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:43 - Mar 22 with 5216 views | itfcjoe |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:38 - Mar 22 by Illinoisblue |
No pathway for him or the players? |
Players.
He says that the vision and culture of the club that Ashton et al have doesn't align with his. | |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:43 - Mar 22 with 5196 views | itfcjoe |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:39 - Mar 22 by gtsb1966 |
I just can't see the logic in that if it's true. If someone is good enough they'll get in surely. |
That's always been a very easy thing to say, but the reality is first team football is part of development | |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:45 - Mar 22 with 5115 views | SitfcB |
Interesting shirt in the background 👀 |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:47 - Mar 22 with 5092 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:39 - Mar 22 by gtsb1966 |
I just can't see the logic in that if it's true. If someone is good enough they'll get in surely. |
Of course they will, no-one really knocking on the door atm and with the squad doing ok and still in with an outside chance of promotion, yougnsters won't be risked.
Once we are out of the race, we will see Humphreys, Simpson, Chirewa, Baggott, etc given some minutes, I am sure. |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:50 - Mar 22 with 5014 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:43 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
Players.
He says that the vision and culture of the club that Ashton et al have doesn't align with his. |
That seems a bit simplistic from KD. Doesn’t have to either/or, surely. I’m sure if a player is good enough they’ll get a chance. | |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:54 - Mar 22 with 4945 views | FPL_Tractor |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:43 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
That's always been a very easy thing to say, but the reality is first team football is part of development |
In the end picking a young player is always a risk and some managers feel more comfortable with it than others (so is signing a 27 year old by the way). That's why i don't really buy the "if they're good enough" argument as for instance you have to be lucky to get a place somehow (injuries whatever), get a good loan club to prove yourself etc. |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:54 - Mar 22 with 4940 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
Good interview, think it may split a few opinions though |  | | |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:54 - Mar 22 with 4922 views | Vaughan8 |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:43 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
Players.
He says that the vision and culture of the club that Ashton et al have doesn't align with his. |
Which is totally fine. If he doesn't agree , he leaves but he doesn't really explain to much as to why does he? Or did I miss it, I was skipping bits here and there.
The no route for players into the first team seems a bit to general for me. it can't be totally correct. I can't think our club would not play someone who was good enough for the first team. If so, why bother having an u23/u18 team.
If they were good enough, they would play surely? | | | |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:55 - Mar 22 with 4918 views | Dyland |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:50 - Mar 22 by Illinoisblue |
That seems a bit simplistic from KD. Doesn’t have to either/or, surely. I’m sure if a player is good enough they’ll get a chance. |
Isn't this the nub of it... Kieron thinks some of them are good enough...
This is pretty gutting imo. Good luck to Kieron though and good on him for being decisive. There's no right or wrong answer here, except he's spot on that he needs to go elsewhere to progress his own career in the short term. Wish him all the best, and kinda really hope he is successful and comes back to manage Town one day.... |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:55 - Mar 22 with 4903 views | OsborneOneNil |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:50 - Mar 22 by Illinoisblue |
That seems a bit simplistic from KD. Doesn’t have to either/or, surely. I’m sure if a player is good enough they’ll get a chance. |
Absolutely, of course they will.
KD obviously just frustrated he’s not progressed. |  | | |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:55 - Mar 22 with 4900 views | clive_baker |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:43 - Mar 22 by pointofblue |
Both.
Highlighted he feels young players are not being given the chance (specifically states he feels Humphrys is the second best central midfielder at the club after Morsy and queries why Simpson isn’t given a chance when Bonne isn’t our player and Jackson/Norwood are out of contract at the end of the season). He did say this is his opinion and McKenna could be right with his viewpoint.
He also realised he won’t have a chance of managing Ipswich without managerial experience elsewhere when McGreal was brought in and given the temporary post after Cook’s departure. |
I respect Dyer enormously, he was a phenomenal player, a proper Ipswich lad and his passion for the club is beautiful. We're talking about a guy who put his hand in his pocket to fund events when Evans was too tight to do so himself. He's a thoroughly good man, and the way players talk about him gives us some insight into that. I wish him all the best in his career outside of Town, it's sometimes healthy to get out and carve a path externally.
I think it's a stretch to say Humprey's is the 2nd best central midifelder at the club though. I'm all in favour of giving the youth a chance, but you have to be good enough and to put a rookie ahead of Evans & Aluko et al is ludicrous. El Mizouni and Clements have both featured in the league this season, but I don't think you'll find many people making a case that they should be starting games right now. If the season is dead on it's ar5e I think that's perhaps an opportunity for KM to bring a few in for some experience, but his remit thus far, and Cook's before is do what we need to do to get us promoted. |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:07 - Mar 22 with 4729 views | itfcjoe |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:50 - Mar 22 by Illinoisblue |
That seems a bit simplistic from KD. Doesn’t have to either/or, surely. I’m sure if a player is good enough they’ll get a chance. |
When we had the very first fans forum I asked Ashton about going Cat 1 and he totally dismissed it, at the weekends game I was sat up by the press boxes for a pre season friendly and then all the coaches came and sat near to me.
Dyer turned round to me and said "great question at the forum" and when I said I was surprised at how quickly it was shot down he said he was to as was the other members of the academy in what became our chat and isn't fair for me to name. That was the first they'd heard that.
I don't know Dyer to speak to, he wouldn't know me from Adam - but he recognised me from that question and specifically broiught it up which I was quite taken aback by.
We then went out and signed 19 first team players, and no one from the 23s has had a look in all season - whilst our first team were floundering our U23s are rolling along at more than 2 points per game and scoring more than 2 goals per game.
Without being rude the simplistic view is the one in your final sentence - it hasn't been the case for a long time now. Managers have to actively give players an opportunity when they deserve it - what more could they be doing to earn one?
I imagine that the difference in ethos between Dyer and the powers that be is that they want more of a player trading model than one that focuses on bring ing players through | |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:10 - Mar 22 with 4652 views | Kieran_Knows |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:45 - Mar 22 by SitfcB |
Interesting shirt in the background 👀 |
God knows how he's wangled that. |  |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:12 - Mar 22 with 4606 views | Kieran_Knows |
I suppose the question is, who's the Bristol City under 18/23 manager? | |
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| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:14 - Mar 22 with 4545 views | gtsb1966 |
I wish Dyer well and hope that one day he comes back here and has success managing us. For nearly twenty years this club has gone down hill before it was finally on its knees so a new strategy was needed. If Dyer doesn't like the new way forward then big respect to him for leaving
He could've stayed and taken the money. Personally I'm all for buying the players to get us out of this league because nothing else has worked. | | | |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:17 - Mar 22 with 4497 views | BloomBlue |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 15:50 - Mar 22 by Illinoisblue |
That seems a bit simplistic from KD. Doesn’t have to either/or, surely. I’m sure if a player is good enough they’ll get a chance. |
Although conversely when you look at the Harper signing has/did he give us anything special that one of the U23s couldn't have given us?
I know all signings are a risk but would an U23 midfielder have been any bigger of a risk? |  | | |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:22 - Mar 22 with 4361 views | Vaughan8 |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:07 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
When we had the very first fans forum I asked Ashton about going Cat 1 and he totally dismissed it, at the weekends game I was sat up by the press boxes for a pre season friendly and then all the coaches came and sat near to me.
Dyer turned round to me and said "great question at the forum" and when I said I was surprised at how quickly it was shot down he said he was to as was the other members of the academy in what became our chat and isn't fair for me to name. That was the first they'd heard that.
I don't know Dyer to speak to, he wouldn't know me from Adam - but he recognised me from that question and specifically broiught it up which I was quite taken aback by.
We then went out and signed 19 first team players, and no one from the 23s has had a look in all season - whilst our first team were floundering our U23s are rolling along at more than 2 points per game and scoring more than 2 goals per game.
Without being rude the simplistic view is the one in your final sentence - it hasn't been the case for a long time now. Managers have to actively give players an opportunity when they deserve it - what more could they be doing to earn one?
I imagine that the difference in ethos between Dyer and the powers that be is that they want more of a player trading model than one that focuses on bring ing players through |
You have a much better knowledge of the club than me.
I'm just interested to know who should have been given a go in the first team who is in the u23s? I appreciate in hindsight, we probably didn't need the likes of Harper who was poor most games for us and we definitely signed too many player sin the summer.
I get that our "U23s are rolling along at more than 2 points per game and scoring more than 2 goals per game." However surely that level is A LOT different to first team football? | | | |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:24 - Mar 22 with 4329 views | clive_baker |
| The Dyer interview with Statman is fascinating on 16:17 - Mar 22 by BloomBlue |
Although conversely when you look at the Harper signing has/did he give us anything special that one of the U23s couldn't have given us?
I know all signings are a risk but would an U23 midfielder have been any bigger of a risk? |
Harper had played 20 odd games for Birmingham in the Championship the season before, at 20 years old. I think it's too easy to be calling for more U23's in hindsight. I've seen people putting their teams up all season and not once have I seen Humprey's even called for on the bench. When we had the cheque book out in the summer people were lauding signings like Harper. | |
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