| Sh1thoused yesterday… 19:53 - Apr 3 with 5148 views | monytowbray |
Cambridge played the exact way that done us 2nd half at the Abbey. Defended deep and pretty much shut us out from passing forward. Credit there.
What I can’t credit however is the utter anti-football sh1thousing that seems to be getting worse. People said we were anti-football under Mick but I can’t ever remember seeing us wasting time before the 20 minute point at 0-0.
I’ve seen a couple of threads on here about time wasting recently and something has to be done. It ruins the game for spectators, it’s gone from subtle touches in the dying minutes to dictating the flow of games throughout and players walking 30 yards to put the ball in play after throwing the ball 20 yards in the wrong direction (then whinging “foul” when opposing players hurry them up). It’s beyond a bit of game psychology now and has got to the point of cheating within loopholes.
I know it’s easy to whinge at the ref, but what can you do? Can you send someone off for it? Can you stop the clock at every single opportunity if it’s obvious one team is taking the piss?
Seems like we’re at a point where the rules need adjusting for the greater good of the sport. |  |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:07 - Apr 4 with 1501 views | Bobbychase |
I checked the timing of their first timewasting (two of their players over by the Cobbold, taking an age in a discussion over a throw-on the halfway line and leaving it to each other). It was just under five minutes in.
A lot of sentiment seems to be that we should give them credit for it. I think it's one thing accepting their set-up for the overall game in terms of positioning was good. It's quite another to be impressed at them essentially cheating from the start of the game. |  |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:13 - Apr 4 with 1484 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:07 - Apr 4 by Bobbychase |
I checked the timing of their first timewasting (two of their players over by the Cobbold, taking an age in a discussion over a throw-on the halfway line and leaving it to each other). It was just under five minutes in.
A lot of sentiment seems to be that we should give them credit for it. I think it's one thing accepting their set-up for the overall game in terms of positioning was good. It's quite another to be impressed at them essentially cheating from the start of the game. |
I think a lot of people are overly sensitive to it. They played within reasonable expectations for me - it was nowhere near the level of Cheltenham, Pompey or Oxford earlier this season. You can't expect them to be rushing to take every throw in or goal kick. We are going to have to get used to it and the onus is on us to overcome it next season.
If we'd managed the game out at their place as well as they did on Saturday, we'd have won it. [Post edited 4 Apr 2022 11:18]
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:22 - Apr 4 with 1461 views | BloomBlue |
Ref's can give yellow cards for timewasting but that never seems to happen until after they've warned players 20 times and it's in the 88th minute.
You do get it in all leagues but is does appear to be worse in this league, but like diving unless ref's start to give out yellows early it won't stop it will continue especially if it delivers results
But if a team is losing then you don't see that same timewasting and ultimately the best way of stopping it is to score a goal.
Teams will come to PR playing for a 0-0, that's an excellent result for an away team it's down to us to devise ways of breaking that down. Playing slow short triangular passes in your own hour is timewasting in it's own sense, we need to move the ball much quicker |  | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:22 - Apr 4 with 1460 views | Bobbychase |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:13 - Apr 4 by tractorboy1978 |
I think a lot of people are overly sensitive to it. They played within reasonable expectations for me - it was nowhere near the level of Cheltenham, Pompey or Oxford earlier this season. You can't expect them to be rushing to take every throw in or goal kick. We are going to have to get used to it and the onus is on us to overcome it next season.
If we'd managed the game out at their place as well as they did on Saturday, we'd have won it. [Post edited 4 Apr 2022 11:18]
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It's the worst I've seen since we dropped into L1, and started the earliest.
At one point in the second half they were awarded a free kick right in front of the assistant Their No 7 chatted with his team mate then casually kicked the ball further back so one of them would have to go and fetch it and eat up some more seconds. He could not have been more than 20ft from the assistant. That's a booking, but nothing happened.
The fact their keeper didn't get a yellow just shows refs have no idea how to deal with it. | |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:23 - Apr 4 with 1465 views | PhilTWTD |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:07 - Apr 4 by Bobbychase |
I checked the timing of their first timewasting (two of their players over by the Cobbold, taking an age in a discussion over a throw-on the halfway line and leaving it to each other). It was just under five minutes in.
A lot of sentiment seems to be that we should give them credit for it. I think it's one thing accepting their set-up for the overall game in terms of positioning was good. It's quite another to be impressed at them essentially cheating from the start of the game. |
Think it started before that. Literally in the second minute someone deliberately threw the ball over Thompson's head when getting it back to him as it was our throw. |  | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:24 - Apr 4 with 1458 views | townblue |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:07 - Apr 4 by Bobbychase |
I checked the timing of their first timewasting (two of their players over by the Cobbold, taking an age in a discussion over a throw-on the halfway line and leaving it to each other). It was just under five minutes in.
A lot of sentiment seems to be that we should give them credit for it. I think it's one thing accepting their set-up for the overall game in terms of positioning was good. It's quite another to be impressed at them essentially cheating from the start of the game. |
I think it's crediting teams that annoys me the most at the moment. 'dark arts' etc, no, it's just cheating. |  | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:28 - Apr 4 with 1449 views | townblue |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 20:10 - Apr 3 by monytowbray |
I agree with some but I don’t think it’s enough.
44 throw ins average per game, divided by two teams, times 10 seconds per throw in could still account for 3+ minutes.
Injuries wise I think we enter dangerous territory if we determine such rules, not all bad injuries are instantly obvious, and still I don’t doubt any player’s ability at acting!
I’d honestly have the fourth official manage the clock and just stop it every time the ball is out of play until the moment it’s kicked back in. Hell, in this day and age at top flight level they could probably manage it with AI.
I think this would have a better impact on modern football than VAR. |
This is what I would do. Remove any advantage gained from stoppages and it would improve the game a lot. | | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:30 - Apr 4 with 1445 views | Bobbychase |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:24 - Apr 4 by townblue |
I think it's crediting teams that annoys me the most at the moment. 'dark arts' etc, no, it's just cheating. |
Exactly. Cheat all you want, just don't expect me to applaud you for it. | |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:48 - Apr 4 with 1424 views | OldFart71 |
If the statistics are correct with us having 60-70% possession how if the other side scores a goal, has dangerous free kicks and corners do they manage to waste such as large degree of the game. Don't give them the ball and when they have it don't commit silly fouls that allow them to waste time. Make sure corners and crosses don't go out of play for a goalkick. We have to be more streetwise. Players like Norwood not getting into silly off the ball incidents. Can't remember Paul Mariner ever getting involved in silly nonsense. If your going to foul an opposing player do it in a way that's subtle. I can see totally why McKenna wants to keep Jackson as one thing he's got is pace, just needs to watch his timings so as not to get caught offside. I would imagine that despite 19 players coming in the balance is still wrong. I think a few will not be around next season. | | | |
| Think I was at a different game on 11:51 - Apr 4 with 1424 views | BlueBertie |
| Think I was at a different game on 10:23 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
See my opening statement - they did play a solid game when the ball was in play.
If you don’t recall much time wasting then I fear you may have been at a different game. |
They were quite clearly wasting loads more time than any other team seen down here in ages. The ref waved at them probably 20+ times to hurry up which backs up this fact. Why he didn't book someone after 4 or 5 times of doing it was mystifying. I've played at semi-professional level and we were always told to keep wasting time until the ref got his book out, especially when our backs where against the wall. 3 mins added time at the end was also incredible when you consider 6 subs where made which was 3 mins total in itself. Awful ref. | | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 12:34 - Apr 4 with 1412 views | GeoffSentence |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:23 - Apr 4 by PhilTWTD |
Think it started before that. Literally in the second minute someone deliberately threw the ball over Thompson's head when getting it back to him as it was our throw. |
That's normal for all teams at all times. Just gives you a bit of time to organise yourself, rather than be caught out by a quick throw.
I must be getting inured to timewasting and shlthousing now because I honestly didnt think Cambridge were doing it excessively. |  |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 12:36 - Apr 4 with 1413 views | PhilTWTD |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 12:34 - Apr 4 by GeoffSentence |
That's normal for all teams at all times. Just gives you a bit of time to organise yourself, rather than be caught out by a quick throw.
I must be getting inured to timewasting and shlthousing now because I honestly didnt think Cambridge were doing it excessively. |
It was so deliberate. I assume the idea from the start was to break the game up, stop it having any flow, stop us from settling into the game, which it did.
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 12:44 - Apr 4 with 1369 views | LankHenners |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 12:36 - Apr 4 by PhilTWTD |
It was so deliberate. I assume the idea from the start was to break the game up, stop it having any flow, stop us from settling into the game, which it did.
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Was surprised (well, not really) their GK got away with punching the ball off the roof of his net backwards behind the goal then walking the long way round to get into position to take the goal kick without even being spoken to by the ref. About as obvious a time wasting act as you can get and the officials just let him stroll around at snail’s pace without so much as gesturing to him to hurry up. |  |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 13:14 - Apr 4 with 1331 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 12:44 - Apr 4 by LankHenners |
Was surprised (well, not really) their GK got away with punching the ball off the roof of his net backwards behind the goal then walking the long way round to get into position to take the goal kick without even being spoken to by the ref. About as obvious a time wasting act as you can get and the officials just let him stroll around at snail’s pace without so much as gesturing to him to hurry up. |
Indeed, the way these little things - which all add up - are tolerated by officials only adds to the frustration. All they ever seem to do is start waving at players to hurry up once a game reaches the last 5 minutes. The only way to deal with it is to nip it in the bud with an early warning, followed by a yellow card. But, rather like dissent, referees are unwilling to clamp down on it. |  |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 13:34 - Apr 4 with 1300 views | Stu_Magoo |
The time-wasting against us isn't going to stop. Every manager in the league will get a free pass from his own fans by talking about "A hard fought point against a very good Ipswich team" (or in the case of Saturday, three) |  |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 14:03 - Apr 4 with 1252 views | Bluearmy71 |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 20:10 - Apr 3 by Swansea_Blue |
No good whinging about it. We’ve got to find a way to beat it as we know that’s what teams will do. |
When every player on the oppositions team is cheating its kinda hard to find away to beat it!
Players should be booked the moment they get up and start running around like nothing happened, I mean if that doesn't tell the ref that the player clearly took the P outta him nothing can!! |  | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 14:38 - Apr 4 with 1221 views | MackemLad |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 12:44 - Apr 4 by LankHenners |
Was surprised (well, not really) their GK got away with punching the ball off the roof of his net backwards behind the goal then walking the long way round to get into position to take the goal kick without even being spoken to by the ref. About as obvious a time wasting act as you can get and the officials just let him stroll around at snail’s pace without so much as gesturing to him to hurry up. |
Gillingham against us on Saturday literally time wasted from the off. Feigning head injuries, switching throw in takers, 1 minute goal kicks etc.
The only way to combat this is with an early goal. Which we never seem to get.
Ironically if these sides showed any ambition they’d have a much better chance of beating us. But so many teams are happy with a point away from home in this league that it just perpetuates spoiling tactics. We got a 95th minute winner on Saturday so I guess you could say that Gillingham got what they deserved through the added time, but it rarely works out that way. | | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 14:44 - Apr 4 with 1192 views | monytowbray |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 11:24 - Apr 4 by townblue |
I think it's crediting teams that annoys me the most at the moment. 'dark arts' etc, no, it's just cheating. |
No wonder capitalism is so broken at the moment, we celebrate the same cheating at business so long as it works for the person doing it and it’s a moral loophole over an illegal one.
General attitude issue with society on the whole. [Post edited 4 Apr 2022 14:44]
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 14:57 - Apr 4 with 1176 views | BlueNomad |
The ball was in play for 34 minutes during the first half. That was allowing us more time than they wanted. Reduced to 23 minutes in the second half - deliberate on their part |  | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 16:29 - Apr 4 with 1125 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 14:57 - Apr 4 by BlueNomad |
The ball was in play for 34 minutes during the first half. That was allowing us more time than they wanted. Reduced to 23 minutes in the second half - deliberate on their part |
Think the average for a premier league match is around 65 minutes of in play football. Cambridge were full on Egypt at Afcon, at the weekend. |  |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 16:34 - Apr 4 with 1121 views | peterleeblue |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 14:38 - Apr 4 by MackemLad |
Gillingham against us on Saturday literally time wasted from the off. Feigning head injuries, switching throw in takers, 1 minute goal kicks etc.
The only way to combat this is with an early goal. Which we never seem to get.
Ironically if these sides showed any ambition they’d have a much better chance of beating us. But so many teams are happy with a point away from home in this league that it just perpetuates spoiling tactics. We got a 95th minute winner on Saturday so I guess you could say that Gillingham got what they deserved through the added time, but it rarely works out that way. |
I've come to the conclusion that only Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Plymouth and Sunderland have any interest in actually trying to play football first and foremost.
Even the top teams in the division employ the so called dark arts to win games.
The two most ridiculous attempts at time wasting were when the keeper had lined up the ball for a GK and then as he starts to run a player goes down and the keepers stops.
Also a player will take the keepers water bottle out of the goal and then throw it back into the 6 yard area as the keeper is about to restart play. It all just pathetic really. |  | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 19:40 - Apr 4 with 1054 views | Bugs |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 09:08 - Apr 4 by GeoffSentence |
I didn't think Cambridge were that bad actually.
Seen much, much worse this season. |
I can't remember who it was against. A few home games ago less than 2 mins on the clock and the ball leaked off one of our players to the opposition goalkeeper. He just kept it at his feet for 5 or 6 second not picking it up till he was closed down by a town player.
From that second on you knew the game plan. Keep the ball out of play or dead as much as possible. |  | | |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 19:53 - Apr 4 with 1034 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 14:44 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
No wonder capitalism is so broken at the moment, we celebrate the same cheating at business so long as it works for the person doing it and it’s a moral loophole over an illegal one.
General attitude issue with society on the whole. [Post edited 4 Apr 2022 14:44]
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Indeed, the values of professional sport usually reflect those of a society in general. And now, it seems to be "what you can get away with" is the norm. | |
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| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 20:39 - Apr 4 with 1010 views | monytowbray |
| Sh1thoused yesterday… on 16:34 - Apr 4 by peterleeblue |
I've come to the conclusion that only Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Plymouth and Sunderland have any interest in actually trying to play football first and foremost.
Even the top teams in the division employ the so called dark arts to win games.
The two most ridiculous attempts at time wasting were when the keeper had lined up the ball for a GK and then as he starts to run a player goes down and the keepers stops.
Also a player will take the keepers water bottle out of the goal and then throw it back into the 6 yard area as the keeper is about to restart play. It all just pathetic really. |
Some of the time wasting we’ve seen this season is verging into parody of itself. Any further and the game will look like a Baddiel and Skinner Fantasy Football sketch.
Maybe someone could pretend they’ve been shot? Get dragged off on a stretcher then magically jump up and run on the pitch just as they reach the tunnel. Also they’re dressed as a clown. F**king HILARIOUS. [Post edited 4 Apr 2022 20:40]
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