| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit 19:54 - Apr 6 with 6677 views | Crawfordsboot |
That didn’t turn out well did it. Just watched a pig farmer in tears after being in the business for decades but is looking at having to slaughter his animals because they have no labour/butchers and he is losing 10k a week. |  | | |  |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 10:47 - Apr 7 with 1514 views | Crawfordsboot |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 08:33 - Apr 7 by gordon |
Think if you're intention is to highlight the folly of swallowing misinformation, then best not to do it by literally promoting misinformation that you've presumably swallowed because it conforms to your pre-existing views of farmers.
There are various figures for farmer support for Brexit (52% in this article), for example:
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-voting-farmers-buyers-remorse/
And this is a useful article for putting brexit support in demographic context:
https://westcountryvoices.co.uk/challenging-the-myth-that-farmers-voted-for-brex
But there's really not much support for farmers voting 2:1 in favour of Brexit - and the farming community was subject to an extraordinarily disgraceful, deceitful misinformation campaign by those pushing for Brexit, eg:
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Interesting links - thanks.
Not my intention as such to highlight the dangers of swallowing misinformation. From my perspective it was blindingly obvious that if you resigned from a club you would lose rights of membership. Any new deals entered into with others would then have to be negotiated between the parties. I.e. they could not simply be dictated by the mighty UK. | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 11:20 - Apr 7 with 1465 views | jonbull88 |
As a farmer in Suffolk, i know a lot that didn’t vote to leave including myself. Unfortunately for many years, costs have been increasing, regulations have been tightening and they “leave” campaign targeted at farmers was very attractive. For me I always intended to vote remain as I knew where my business was.
The promises basically were more funding, less red tape and more markets. The funding is stopping as of 2024, unless you plant trees or rewild etc. Red tape has got worse and unfortunately there aren’t many “new markets” as other countries can produce things cheaper because of less red tape and cheaper inputs.
Regarding the muck spreading, they want it banned in autumn time to “reduce pollution”. The problems are with this is the uk have some of the tightest regs around muck spreading already. They want muck spread in to a standing crop in the spring, which for us is just not achievable as it is far too wet. This will lead to an increased usage of man made fertiliser, something that will undoubtably be phased out over time due to the high gas and oil usage. What has really upset us though is, whilst all this goes on, the water companies just open up the gates and pollute as much in 5 minutes as many farmers have in a generation. |  | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 11:23 - Apr 7 with 1452 views | mylittletown |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 08:33 - Apr 7 by gordon |
Think if you're intention is to highlight the folly of swallowing misinformation, then best not to do it by literally promoting misinformation that you've presumably swallowed because it conforms to your pre-existing views of farmers.
There are various figures for farmer support for Brexit (52% in this article), for example:
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-voting-farmers-buyers-remorse/
And this is a useful article for putting brexit support in demographic context:
https://westcountryvoices.co.uk/challenging-the-myth-that-farmers-voted-for-brex
But there's really not much support for farmers voting 2:1 in favour of Brexit - and the farming community was subject to an extraordinarily disgraceful, deceitful misinformation campaign by those pushing for Brexit, eg:
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But that is a big part of the problem. Ridiculous credulity.
Why would anyone sane believe an obvious piece of sh1t like Owen Patterson?
Or Nigel Farage, or Rees-Mogg, or Liam Fox or Boris Johnson?
You would struggle to assemble a a more obvious bunch of bullsh1tters and liars.
I have no sympathy for anyone who believed a word they said, when 5 minutes on google would allow you refute almost every lie they came up with. |  | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 11:32 - Apr 7 with 1421 views | footers |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 11:23 - Apr 7 by mylittletown |
But that is a big part of the problem. Ridiculous credulity.
Why would anyone sane believe an obvious piece of sh1t like Owen Patterson?
Or Nigel Farage, or Rees-Mogg, or Liam Fox or Boris Johnson?
You would struggle to assemble a a more obvious bunch of bullsh1tters and liars.
I have no sympathy for anyone who believed a word they said, when 5 minutes on google would allow you refute almost every lie they came up with. |
Absolutely. These are apparent adults with the vote. They should have known what they were voting for.
The number of google searches for 'what is the EU?' the day after the vote shows that a great many of them didn't even bother doing cursory research into a vote of a generation. |  |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 11:37 - Apr 7 with 1405 views | Ryorry |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 08:33 - Apr 7 by gordon |
Think if you're intention is to highlight the folly of swallowing misinformation, then best not to do it by literally promoting misinformation that you've presumably swallowed because it conforms to your pre-existing views of farmers.
There are various figures for farmer support for Brexit (52% in this article), for example:
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-voting-farmers-buyers-remorse/
And this is a useful article for putting brexit support in demographic context:
https://westcountryvoices.co.uk/challenging-the-myth-that-farmers-voted-for-brex
But there's really not much support for farmers voting 2:1 in favour of Brexit - and the farming community was subject to an extraordinarily disgraceful, deceitful misinformation campaign by those pushing for Brexit, eg:
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Re the misinformation campaign you highlighted with that ad - basically, we were all subject to that in different targetted ways (the £350m for NHS slogan on side of bus etc).
The difference is that many farmers (most?) had always voted Tory - someone might like to do a proper analytical breakdown, but going off top of my head I'd say that most rural constituencies where farming & tourism are the primary industries have Tory MPs with huge majorities, & that's always been the case. So as Tory policies had always for the most part suited/favoured them, farmers didn't have the same level of scepticism as the rest of us, didnt bother to put their thinking hats on to question whether leaving the status quo would result in the Tories actually going on to do what they said they'd do, & have therefore now suffered the same bitter learning curve that most of the rest of us have been on for the past several decades. |  |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 11:56 - Apr 7 with 1380 views | chicoazul |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 19:56 - Apr 6 by itfcjoe |
Farmers and fisherman wee some of the biggest advocates and been totally screwed over |
They knew what they were voting for; maximising their profits. Once the labour market calms down - and it will - they will gouge their prices and make us all pay the cost and, needless to say in modern Britain, it will be those who can least afford it who pays the most. |  |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 12:04 - Apr 7 with 1367 views | mylittletown |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 11:56 - Apr 7 by chicoazul |
They knew what they were voting for; maximising their profits. Once the labour market calms down - and it will - they will gouge their prices and make us all pay the cost and, needless to say in modern Britain, it will be those who can least afford it who pays the most. |
They will be facing stiff price competition from the lightly regulated farmers in Australia, the USA and Canada.
A large percentage of Brits won't mind eating unsafe/unhealthy crap if it is cheaper. | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 12:59 - Apr 7 with 1323 views | itfc_bucks |
Zero sympathies for any turkey stupid enough to vote for Christmas. | | | |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 14:09 - Apr 7 with 1250 views | BonneNIL |
Staff will come if you offer the right wages. People here rightly won't work for the money these greedy capitalists were paying people, and exploiting less fortunate people from aboard for decades has caught up with them. Up the minimum wage and force more of them under, which is what Labour will do after the next GE, which is a good thing. Workers deserve better.
People aren't buying meat anymore, it's over, and he doesn't have a business. He will have to retrain like his Tory masters told everyone else who went under during the pandemic. They do not care about you. That's how capitalism works.
Not one tear from me. |  |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 14:26 - Apr 7 with 1229 views | chicoazul |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 14:09 - Apr 7 by BonneNIL |
Staff will come if you offer the right wages. People here rightly won't work for the money these greedy capitalists were paying people, and exploiting less fortunate people from aboard for decades has caught up with them. Up the minimum wage and force more of them under, which is what Labour will do after the next GE, which is a good thing. Workers deserve better.
People aren't buying meat anymore, it's over, and he doesn't have a business. He will have to retrain like his Tory masters told everyone else who went under during the pandemic. They do not care about you. That's how capitalism works.
Not one tear from me. |
This is true. There is no such thing as a shortage of workers, only a shortage of wages. | |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 14:30 - Apr 7 with 1213 views | mylittletown |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 14:09 - Apr 7 by BonneNIL |
Staff will come if you offer the right wages. People here rightly won't work for the money these greedy capitalists were paying people, and exploiting less fortunate people from aboard for decades has caught up with them. Up the minimum wage and force more of them under, which is what Labour will do after the next GE, which is a good thing. Workers deserve better.
People aren't buying meat anymore, it's over, and he doesn't have a business. He will have to retrain like his Tory masters told everyone else who went under during the pandemic. They do not care about you. That's how capitalism works.
Not one tear from me. |
Exploiting 'less fortunate people from abroad' by paying them higher wages than they could earn at home?
As you say staff will come if you offer the right wages, or they would until the xenophobes voted to stop them coming,
cf any of the great waves of immigration which made this country an interesting place until the small-minded got control. | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 14:57 - Apr 7 with 1189 views | HARRY10 |
"The promises basically were more funding, less red tape and more markets. The funding is stopping as of 2024, unless you plant trees or rewild etc. Red tape has got worse and unfortunately there aren’t many “new markets” as other countries can produce things cheaper because of less red tape and cheaper inputs."
That's about it, in a nutshell
Brexit was based on the premise that you agree with any group, blame the EU and make ludicrous claims, and there are enough stupid people who want it put that way. The NFUs figures have vote leave among farmers far lower that 2/3. That there should have been any reflects a deep concern in society.
Many Remainers will know that it was virtually impossible (still is) to engage brexiteers in debate, especially is if included known facts and evidence. Once those were introduced, the eyes would swivel, the voice would be raised and out would be bleated the slogans "project fear, master knows best, four legs good, baa baa"
I did hear a good analogy some while back
That if ITFC were to leave the Football League, they would not be controlled over who they played, the rules they had to obey, even the laws of the game.....................we could arrange attractive games against Real Madrid, Milan, Man Utd, the San Siro rather than Shrewsbury
How wonderful all that sounds, if you switch your brain off and stop thinking.
Nothing brexit related that has happened since, was not predicted - and it will only get worse. The need for EU labour will diminish as companies simply move back into the EU or fold as above (already happening).
This summer will see hold ups at ports and airport as the reality of the UK being a '3rd country' take hold. The nonsense about deals with non EU countries has already fallen flat on its atz before it has barely got out of the stalls. The UK is trawling round the flobe, cap in hand, having to accept deals trading under EU schedules (with no say) and accepting lowering of standards in the few so far Aus, NZ and Japan.
As to farmers, their days of poncing off the rest of us are long over. Cheap meat imports will kill off their trade with the home market, and the EU - who will not be sure of the origin of meat products labelled 'produce of UK'.
There may not be a market for their produce, but there will be a market for their non agricultural land, houses, and barns. From the very wealthy elite who peddled them the myths of brexit.
Rather ironic (or hilarious) to be honest - almost as funny as 'levelling up'
https://reaction.life/why-boris-speech-on-levelling-up-failed-at-every-level/ | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 15:00 - Apr 7 with 1186 views | C_Jam_Blue |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 09:49 - Apr 7 by mo_itfc |
I hope everyone remembers when the next general election comes up...
Voting for the rich to get richer, means we all suffer!
Brexit was a mistake, it was frightening watching large amounts of people being brainwashed. I hope lessons are being learnt and we stop making these dumb mistakes.
Any know where this £350million a week to the NHS has gone??
Although as a town fan, I can't wait to get a blue passport! |
Sadly we seem to have a teflon government just now, nothing seems to touch them in terms of the popular vote. Considering some of the well publicised fall-out from Brexit, the PPE scandals where millions were given to unqualified mates for inadequate equipment, a culture of partying while we couldn't visit relatives in care homes, a Prime Minister who lied constantly about those scandals and now we hear our chancellor, responsible for tax policy, has a wife using the non-Dom loophole to avoid a large UK tax bill. Their poll ratings should be on the floor but they remain high. Only 4% behind labour according to YouGov. | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 16:05 - Apr 7 with 1162 views | jonbull88 |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 14:09 - Apr 7 by BonneNIL |
Staff will come if you offer the right wages. People here rightly won't work for the money these greedy capitalists were paying people, and exploiting less fortunate people from aboard for decades has caught up with them. Up the minimum wage and force more of them under, which is what Labour will do after the next GE, which is a good thing. Workers deserve better.
People aren't buying meat anymore, it's over, and he doesn't have a business. He will have to retrain like his Tory masters told everyone else who went under during the pandemic. They do not care about you. That's how capitalism works.
Not one tear from me. |
I’m hopeful this post is tongue in cheek. If not to state what you’ve said in your post without any idea of the pressures of the industry is disappointing. When I comes to food production the supermarkets are the overall power. Driving down prices, I know many veg farmers driven out of business due to trying to take the fight to supermarkets, they just take their business elsewhere.
On certain farms, labour is the biggest cost, the pay is the same, for foreign and British labour. The difference is a lot of British labour believe picking veg is below them and don’t have the work ethic to do a hard days work unfortunately.
As for your comments about no one buying meat anymore, the demand for pork around the world, especially china has never been higher. The big difference is other countries don’t have anywhere near as higher welfare standards (which come at a cost), labour is a lot cheaper, meaning they can produce pork fat cheaper. | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 16:36 - Apr 7 with 1142 views | MattinLondon |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 16:05 - Apr 7 by jonbull88 |
I’m hopeful this post is tongue in cheek. If not to state what you’ve said in your post without any idea of the pressures of the industry is disappointing. When I comes to food production the supermarkets are the overall power. Driving down prices, I know many veg farmers driven out of business due to trying to take the fight to supermarkets, they just take their business elsewhere.
On certain farms, labour is the biggest cost, the pay is the same, for foreign and British labour. The difference is a lot of British labour believe picking veg is below them and don’t have the work ethic to do a hard days work unfortunately.
As for your comments about no one buying meat anymore, the demand for pork around the world, especially china has never been higher. The big difference is other countries don’t have anywhere near as higher welfare standards (which come at a cost), labour is a lot cheaper, meaning they can produce pork fat cheaper. |
Maybe if veg pickers were paid better wages then that ‘work ethic’ will mysteriously be awaken. |  | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 17:12 - Apr 7 with 1127 views | jeera |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 16:36 - Apr 7 by MattinLondon |
Maybe if veg pickers were paid better wages then that ‘work ethic’ will mysteriously be awaken. |
But as he says the supermarkets hold the power and by extension we, the consumer, by and large push for cheaper prices with our buying habits.
As the margins are pinched then there's only so much in the budget until a crop becomes no longer viable. |  |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 19:33 - Apr 7 with 1060 views | MattinLondon |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 17:12 - Apr 7 by jeera |
But as he says the supermarkets hold the power and by extension we, the consumer, by and large push for cheaper prices with our buying habits.
As the margins are pinched then there's only so much in the budget until a crop becomes no longer viable. |
That’s a good point - I didn’t read the post properly at all. | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 20:45 - Apr 7 with 1013 views | jeera |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 19:33 - Apr 7 by MattinLondon |
That’s a good point - I didn’t read the post properly at all. |
We're all guilty of that one at times Matt. | |
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| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 20:55 - Apr 7 with 1004 views | MattinLondon |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 20:45 - Apr 7 by jeera |
We're all guilty of that one at times Matt. |
I tend to make a habit of it. | | | |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 21:00 - Apr 7 with 997 views | jeera |
| I believe that farmers voted 2:1 for Brexit on 20:55 - Apr 7 by MattinLondon |
I tend to make a habit of it. |
That would be your nunnery background. | |
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