| Celina 11:18 - Apr 8 with 4307 views | Garv |
He's class and our most talented player. We'd be mad not to try and sign him permanently.
But does anyone else feel he's still only playing at 80%? Not effort wise necessarily, because he does a lot of good work defensively these days. But he was incredibly passive last Saturday. Even accounting for the number of key passes and 'assists of assists' he's laid on recently, I still want him to do more.
I'm assuming, if he does return next season, that he's going to burst into life and be the league's best player, because he probably should be. [Post edited 8 Apr 2022 11:19]
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| Celina on 13:14 - Apr 8 with 955 views | footers |
| Celina on 12:56 - Apr 8 by BonneNIL |
It would be if we were paying his full wage I suspect. His French side was relegated last season and had to cut their wage budget to survive, which is why it meant sense while they sorted themselves out after a disaster of a season to send him on loan and split the bill while he was still on a good contract if they couldn't sell immediately. |
Hopefully there's a little wiggle room for us there and we can become his club for a decent stretch. Suspect as he's surplus to requirements at Dijon that a deal could be done - whether Santi would take a cut to make Suffolk his new home remains to be seen. But for a long time I have faith these things can happen! |  |
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| Celina on 13:14 - Apr 8 with 956 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Celina on 13:07 - Apr 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
What metric is that? Genuine question as I haven’t seen it, and for traditional metrics (goals, assists, key passes etc) he’s nowhere near the top? |
It is in this thread. As of 14th March admittedly but I'd wager over the last 3 weeks he's still there.
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| Celina on 13:15 - Apr 8 with 950 views | MattinLondon |
| Celina on 13:06 - Apr 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Think it's because you need more from a player in that position and something which has clearly been an issue this season - Goals.
6 in 31 appearences. 2 in the last 20+ games. It's not wrong for some to feel KM may want more. |
He brings players into the game, opens up space and creates chances. Plus, he’s been switched from left, to right, into the middle. Maybe not good to make a player keep switching positions.
I do think that fans place unrealistic demands on attacking flair players - whereas a player like Skuse was t expected to score, wasn’t expected to create because he sat 18 yards out and got in the way. |  | | |
| Celina on 13:35 - Apr 8 with 917 views | N2_Blue |
| Celina on 12:05 - Apr 8 by pointofblue |
Considering his undoubted talent and the salary he must be on he doesn’t do enough for me. Fantastic at the brilliant but poor at the simple. And, as stated, he hasn’t scored or created enough to really be a key player to hold onto in the summer. I wouldn’t mind him being retained but I wouldn’t be that fussed if he left either. |
If you don't enjoy watching Celina play and are not fussed about him being back here playing in L1 for Ipswich Town I'd suggest football is wasted on you and you find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon.
You do understand we are a L1 club and the level we are playing at. We are not going to get close to signing someone else with the ability of Celina in L1.
As someone else said, by far the classiest player we've had since Mcgoldrick.
Can he be more effective...yes and if he is next year he could absolutely tear the league up. He has the ability too and we'd be mad not to hope he can do that for us next season playing for us. Burns, Celina and Morsy have been let down by our front line...all 3 have been exceelent. [Post edited 8 Apr 2022 13:37]
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| Celina on 13:36 - Apr 8 with 906 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Celina on 13:14 - Apr 8 by tractorboy1978 |
It is in this thread. As of 14th March admittedly but I'd wager over the last 3 weeks he's still there.
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Bit puzzled by that tbh, the author has shown a chart showing him to be below average for dribble success and then has him right at the top end as an elite dribbler in the second table. It’s not clear exactly what they’re using to drive it and would seemingly be some very cherry picked metrics, and potentially only over a short period given the OP mentions ‘recent weeks’. Also clicking through to Twitter someone has challenged the graph and the author has held his hands up that he’s used the wrong type of graph for the data and thanked them for spotting the error
Still happy to be corrected but given that no traditional sources or measures have Celina near the top I’d be very surprised if some all-encompassing analysis would show him anywhere near the top 3 attacking players over the season, as the high level stats just don’t bear that out |  |
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| Celina on 13:52 - Apr 8 with 886 views | jayessess |
| Celina on 13:36 - Apr 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Bit puzzled by that tbh, the author has shown a chart showing him to be below average for dribble success and then has him right at the top end as an elite dribbler in the second table. It’s not clear exactly what they’re using to drive it and would seemingly be some very cherry picked metrics, and potentially only over a short period given the OP mentions ‘recent weeks’. Also clicking through to Twitter someone has challenged the graph and the author has held his hands up that he’s used the wrong type of graph for the data and thanked them for spotting the error
Still happy to be corrected but given that no traditional sources or measures have Celina near the top I’d be very surprised if some all-encompassing analysis would show him anywhere near the top 3 attacking players over the season, as the high level stats just don’t bear that out |
The "expected assists" stat fairly is pretty straightforwardly saying he's the most creative player in the league, isn't it? |  |
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| Celina on 14:23 - Apr 8 with 834 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Celina on 13:52 - Apr 8 by jayessess |
The "expected assists" stat fairly is pretty straightforwardly saying he's the most creative player in the league, isn't it? |
Where is it showing he has the most xA in the league? | |
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| Celina on 14:30 - Apr 8 with 832 views | jayessess |
| Celina on 14:23 - Apr 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Where is it showing he has the most xA in the league? |
In the yellow section on this graph:
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| Celina on 14:45 - Apr 8 with 789 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Celina on 14:30 - Apr 8 by jayessess |
In the yellow section on this graph:
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That doesn’t show him having the most xA, the line doesn’t go as high as it does for Bannan under progressive passes for a start. It also doesn’t show what period it’s over nor exactly who it is comparing to so no way of gauging how many players make up that gap - ie. if it’s everyone in League One then it would be quite a few and you’d expect Celina to be higher than most purely by virtue of position. That’s why the tweeter has acknowledged that it’s a rubbish graph (which can be seen by clicking through to Twitter on it)
Again happy to be corrected if someone has some actual data showing Celina as being top for xA in League One, but I can’t find anything to corroborate that [Post edited 8 Apr 2022 14:46]
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| Celina on 15:07 - Apr 8 with 768 views | jayessess |
| Celina on 14:45 - Apr 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That doesn’t show him having the most xA, the line doesn’t go as high as it does for Bannan under progressive passes for a start. It also doesn’t show what period it’s over nor exactly who it is comparing to so no way of gauging how many players make up that gap - ie. if it’s everyone in League One then it would be quite a few and you’d expect Celina to be higher than most purely by virtue of position. That’s why the tweeter has acknowledged that it’s a rubbish graph (which can be seen by clicking through to Twitter on it)
Again happy to be corrected if someone has some actual data showing Celina as being top for xA in League One, but I can’t find anything to corroborate that [Post edited 8 Apr 2022 14:46]
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That line goes a lot higher than Bannan's for xA, who plays in the same position.
I've not seen anything more recent, but he was 4th on February 21st, apparently.
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| Celina on 15:19 - Apr 8 with 735 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Celina on 15:07 - Apr 8 by jayessess |
That line goes a lot higher than Bannan's for xA, who plays in the same position.
I've not seen anything more recent, but he was 4th on February 21st, apparently.
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Not sure what being better than Bannan has to do with it, it doesn’t show him being top in the division which was the point being made
The link below is more like it though, especially as you’d figure he’d still be up there now given recent form. Ta | |
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| Celina on 15:35 - Apr 8 with 715 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Celina on 13:09 - Apr 8 by Illinoisblue |
Is this a new era of football watching where what you see with your own eyes is not to be trusted or believed? |
Well evidently less so, hence why professional football clubs are far more statistics driven than they ever have been. | | | |
| Celina on 15:40 - Apr 8 with 700 views | jayessess |
| Celina on 15:19 - Apr 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Not sure what being better than Bannan has to do with it, it doesn’t show him being top in the division which was the point being made
The link below is more like it though, especially as you’d figure he’d still be up there now given recent form. Ta |
Well just that if being an attacking midfielder automatically put you at the top of that chart, you'd expect Bannan to be up there too. | |
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| Celina on 15:48 - Apr 8 with 683 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Celina on 15:40 - Apr 8 by jayessess |
Well just that if being an attacking midfielder automatically put you at the top of that chart, you'd expect Bannan to be up there too. |
He is up there, his line is well above average just not as high as Celina’s
But the question was never whether Celina has better stats than Barry Bannan at anything (who btw has more actual assists per 90 and more key passes per 90), just whether Celina was top for expected xA as you stated - hence me pointing out that the graph clearly doesn’t show that (because it doesn’t) | |
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| Celina on 20:12 - Apr 8 with 577 views | billlm |
Best player since MCG, through balls sublime, goal against Crewe worth my season ticket, another moment of footballing brilliance Aluko dribbling past a few on the touch line, also worth my ticket, though can't remember who it was against, love to see that again, |  | | |
| Celina on 07:10 - Apr 9 with 476 views | PioneerBlue |
I really like Celina and he seems to have chosen itfc as a place to settle. I would certainly keep him but big decisions are needed this summer on how to build an attack that wins many games next year.
That probably needs an a and b option. I don’t know whether Celina fit both a and b but you’d like to think he’s good enough to play a couple of ways at L1 level.
We’ve struggled against sides that play with a low block.
Celina should have been part of the answer with quick counter transitions and ability to run through lines?
Take a look at how Sheff Wed scored 6 v Cambridge.
We don’t seem to have a midfield set up for quick transition nor scoring midfielder like Barry Bannan nor apparently a goal scorer like Berahino let alone the set piece goal contributions.
All these things are solvable whether that style is plan a or b but plenty for KMcK and recruiting team to think about in the summer. | |
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| Celina on 08:53 - Apr 9 with 446 views | Vic |
He’s good, very good, but I’m not sure what his ceiling will be. I can’t help thinking that if he was that good he wouldn’t be on loan to a 3rd div club.
I’m probably in a minority, but there are plenty of players that shine at this level but fail to do so higher up. |  |
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| Celina on 11:29 - Apr 9 with 399 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Celina on 11:28 - Apr 8 by FrimleyBlue |
He's an interesting case is Celina.
He'll have a run of games where you're thinking yep defo need him back. But then on the other hand , Goals win games, and in such a position is 2 in the past 20+games good enough?
I got a lot of hate for saying we could replace the front line in some form other than strikers, but i'd love to know what KM is thinking in regards to the top end of the pitch.
It's been good enough in the sense we have a record of 2ppg under K...
Celina
Positives
Reads the game quicker than many others
Incredible eye for a killer pass
Can pull off a worldie
Has increased his level of off the ball work
Gains a yard from nothing
Negatives
Simple passes seem to go amiss
can get lost in games
Players don't seem to read some of his attempted plays
Goal return not that high from an important position
Possibly expensive
Choice of two i'd have Celina over Chaplin. I wouldn't have both personally.
all of the above is MY opinion, before the hate jump begins. |
Opinions are opinions, but it's fascinating that you keep highlighting other players' inability to read Celina's plays as a negative on him. Those other players need to learn to do so, because it will make them better players. | | | |
| Celina on 11:38 - Apr 9 with 390 views | shamboy |
| Celina on 11:31 - Apr 8 by footers |
It's a no-brainer. He's the classiest player we've had at the club since McGoldrick. He is mustard.
Some self-appointed football experts, however, believe he is a luxury player that we can't afford to carry.
It should be illegal for us to have him in this league. |
Well, this self-appointed football expert things that if Celina is playing to his very best in the hope of getting a long contract because he wants to commit his future to Town, then there is only one direction he will go from here. And it ain't up. | | | |
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