| Cole Stockton... 13:48 - Apr 12 with 1634 views | OriginalMarkyP |
A few on here have been saying we should sign him. And he's certainly performed superbly for Morecombe this season and returned an impressive amount of goals.
But have people bothered to look at his goal record before this season?
I have.
It's distinctly average. Would we be buying another Pigott on the back of their best season only to see them disappoint in blue.
I wonder. |  |
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| Cole Stockton... on 13:59 - Apr 12 with 1514 views | clive_baker |
Not sure that's fair, he did very well in 2 loan spells at Morecambe previously too. Couldn't get much game time at Tranmere, ironically kept out by Norwood and a lot of his appearances there were off the bench. He's also not all about goal scoring, he's an architypal centre forward who reads the game well, holds the ball up, can bring in those around him, he brings a lot aside from goals. Despite that, he has shown in recent years he can score, and all different types of goals too.
Some players do develop a little later too, especially ones where their real value and creativity is between the ears. Brett Pitman's record was a bit patchy when we signed him, especially at Championship level, he's a very similar player.
I believe he has interest much closer to home though. [Post edited 12 Apr 2022 14:09]
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| Cole Stockton... on 14:01 - Apr 12 with 1511 views | C_Jam_Blue |
How about Ryan Hardie. 16 goals and 5 assists in 35 games, good age (25) and pacey which seems to be what KMK likes. We signed another striker from Plymouth back in the day, that worked out pretty well. |  | | |
| Cole Stockton... on 14:23 - Apr 12 with 1427 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Cole Stockton... on 14:01 - Apr 12 by C_Jam_Blue |
How about Ryan Hardie. 16 goals and 5 assists in 35 games, good age (25) and pacey which seems to be what KMK likes. We signed another striker from Plymouth back in the day, that worked out pretty well. |
could be an option if plymouth stay down ! |  | | |
| Cole Stockton... on 14:29 - Apr 12 with 1406 views | BseaBlue |
| Cole Stockton... on 13:59 - Apr 12 by clive_baker |
Not sure that's fair, he did very well in 2 loan spells at Morecambe previously too. Couldn't get much game time at Tranmere, ironically kept out by Norwood and a lot of his appearances there were off the bench. He's also not all about goal scoring, he's an architypal centre forward who reads the game well, holds the ball up, can bring in those around him, he brings a lot aside from goals. Despite that, he has shown in recent years he can score, and all different types of goals too.
Some players do develop a little later too, especially ones where their real value and creativity is between the ears. Brett Pitman's record was a bit patchy when we signed him, especially at Championship level, he's a very similar player.
I believe he has interest much closer to home though. [Post edited 12 Apr 2022 14:09]
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Murphy also being a good example of a late bloomer!
I think you raise a good point about a striker that will be effective in bringing others into play. An issue for us at the minute is that Norwood/Pigott can't seem to do that, whereas Jackson has the ability to get into the channels and provide for one of our many attacking midfield options.
One thing which would be nice is to have a stiriker that has the ability to get you a goal out of nothing (ala Marcus Stewart). Stockton certainly seems to have a worldie in him! |  | | |
| Controversial - Stick with Piggot?! on 14:36 - Apr 12 with 1379 views | unstableblue |
Yes yes yes, I know it hasn't clicked here, and he's just not staked a claim or found the back of the net... but I've seen real potential with much needed hold up and linking play, which suits the deeper two attackers....
If we sell him and then bring in a Stockton.. then what's to say he won't have that struggle settling. Piggot was arguably on better form than names suggested the season before this one.
Awaits anti-Piggot vibe! |  |
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| Cole Stockton... on 14:42 - Apr 12 with 1365 views | Simonds92 |
| Cole Stockton... on 13:59 - Apr 12 by clive_baker |
Not sure that's fair, he did very well in 2 loan spells at Morecambe previously too. Couldn't get much game time at Tranmere, ironically kept out by Norwood and a lot of his appearances there were off the bench. He's also not all about goal scoring, he's an architypal centre forward who reads the game well, holds the ball up, can bring in those around him, he brings a lot aside from goals. Despite that, he has shown in recent years he can score, and all different types of goals too.
Some players do develop a little later too, especially ones where their real value and creativity is between the ears. Brett Pitman's record was a bit patchy when we signed him, especially at Championship level, he's a very similar player.
I believe he has interest much closer to home though. [Post edited 12 Apr 2022 14:09]
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I think in your comparison to Pitman you've strengthened the OP. Absolutely crap footballer. | | | |
| Cole Stockton... on 15:00 - Apr 12 with 1310 views | Guthrum |
| Cole Stockton... on 14:42 - Apr 12 by Simonds92 |
I think in your comparison to Pitman you've strengthened the OP. Absolutely crap footballer. |
Not sure that's entirely fair on Pitman. He was a good marksman if the ball was fed into him correctly. But not what we needed at the time, which was someone to go and fetch the ball from midfield into the box (as McGoldrick), or able to hold it up and play others in (Murphy).
Indeed a Pitman-type might be more like what we require now, someone not afraid to shoot and with a greater chance of converting crosses into goals. |  |
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| Cole Stockton... on 15:11 - Apr 12 with 1272 views | Vaughan8 |
I've said on other Threads, bar a few months at the end of a season (in the National League) we was largely sh!te. EDIT: sorry for Tranmere
I will no doubt be proved wrong but I think this is a one season wonder in terms of goalscoring.
If he was 21 then maybe a chance could be took. I think hes 28. No thanks! [Post edited 12 Apr 2022 15:11]
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| Cole Stockton... on 15:44 - Apr 12 with 1195 views | Simonds92 |
| Cole Stockton... on 15:00 - Apr 12 by Guthrum |
Not sure that's entirely fair on Pitman. He was a good marksman if the ball was fed into him correctly. But not what we needed at the time, which was someone to go and fetch the ball from midfield into the box (as McGoldrick), or able to hold it up and play others in (Murphy).
Indeed a Pitman-type might be more like what we require now, someone not afraid to shoot and with a greater chance of converting crosses into goals. |
No chance, awful footballer before, during and after his spell with us. Lazy, no pace, couldn't hold up the ball for others to play off him. The last thing we need is a passenger in our team. | | | |
| Cole Stockton... on 15:51 - Apr 12 with 1176 views | jayessess |
I doubt this is the profile of forward we'll be looking at. |  |
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| Cole Stockton... on 16:00 - Apr 12 with 1158 views | clive_baker |
| Cole Stockton... on 14:29 - Apr 12 by BseaBlue |
Murphy also being a good example of a late bloomer!
I think you raise a good point about a striker that will be effective in bringing others into play. An issue for us at the minute is that Norwood/Pigott can't seem to do that, whereas Jackson has the ability to get into the channels and provide for one of our many attacking midfield options.
One thing which would be nice is to have a stiriker that has the ability to get you a goal out of nothing (ala Marcus Stewart). Stockton certainly seems to have a worldie in him! |
Yes there are a few examples. Rickie Lambert had a bit of a patchy goalscoring career until he was mid to late 20's, even at Bristol Rovers bar one season where everything he touched went in. By the time Soton took a punt he was a similar age to Cole. I think it's a touch unfair to just look at goals, we obviously want a striker who will score there's no doubt about that, but he plays a selfless role, works really hard, drops off and does bring other players into the game. Lambert was so good at that and when he had the likes of Lallana, Ward-Prowse, Jay Rodriguez etc around him, Luke Shaw bombing up the left he was the one that bound it together.
I wanted Pigott to be that player but I've just not really seen it. In his defence I would like to see him given a run of starts, and maybe now is the time to do it, but he always looks a yard off the pace and struggles to really influence a game. | |
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| Cole Stockton... on 16:08 - Apr 12 with 1143 views | billlm |
Harris from Peterborough I'd take a look at, |  | | |
| Cole Stockton... on 16:14 - Apr 12 with 1129 views | itfc48 |
| Cole Stockton... on 15:00 - Apr 12 by Guthrum |
Not sure that's entirely fair on Pitman. He was a good marksman if the ball was fed into him correctly. But not what we needed at the time, which was someone to go and fetch the ball from midfield into the box (as McGoldrick), or able to hold it up and play others in (Murphy).
Indeed a Pitman-type might be more like what we require now, someone not afraid to shoot and with a greater chance of converting crosses into goals. |
We never played to Pitman's strengths when he was here. He was however one of the least athletic players I've seen. Not his fault just how he was made - would have thrived more in a different era. | | | |
| Cole Stockton... on 16:22 - Apr 12 with 1107 views | GeoffSentence |
| Cole Stockton... on 15:51 - Apr 12 by jayessess |
I doubt this is the profile of forward we'll be looking at. |
Yep, I thought we were all about bringing younger players in now. |  |
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| Cole Stockton... on 18:30 - Apr 12 with 999 views | skinnybob72 |
Simple fact is that lack of goals is what is keeping us in League 1 for a 4th season. Stockton -despite being one of the worst strikers I have ever seen at Hearts when he was there - has scored a bucket load this season in the league we need to get out of next season. Doesn't matter that he wasn't prolific before - you can only go on current form - and over the whole season he has done well, it's not a 10 game flash in the pan.
Maybe he'll be another Pigott, maybe he won't - but his current form shows he knows how to get goals and as such if he is an option, and at not too high a price, he's worth a gamble. | | | |
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