| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life 11:25 - May 20 with 2953 views | Illinoisblue |
I say that after reading through the charges for my daughter’s knee surgery. Total cost $61,000. Now, we have good insurance coverage and will “only” have to pay about 3k but still. The breakdown of charges is interesting. The surgery was to fix persistent knee dislocations while playing basketball and is known as MPFL repair. It involves replacing an existing ligament with a tendon from an unfortunate dead person. The surgeon said she’s been given a “nice beefy strong tendon”. Which is good, I guess. The charge for that tendon? $7k. Where exactly that money goes I have no idea.
Charges for the surgeon’s three hours of work about 13k. Most of the rest of the bill were for drugs and operating room recovery/monitoring.
Don’t let them take away the NHS or this is what you’ll end up with. |  |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 13:39 - May 20 with 953 views | SitfcB |
Does the surgeon get that full amount of £13k?! |  |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 13:47 - May 20 with 946 views | Ryorry |
We know. But until we have a public who have sufficient braincells to collectively vote this disgusting, corrupt, traitorous, self-serving Government out of office, we will continue along the road to privatisation of the NHS.
A bit like BrexitScandal, the more greycells-challenged (or diehard tribals) among the electoratate will only realise what they've lost when it's too late & gone.
Pet owners have always been particularly aware of the value of the NHS - the cost of drugs alone, never mind vet treatment for, eg., a broken limb, is jaw-dropping. My dog's insured with PetPlan, generally reckoned to be the best pet insurers, but the monthly costs are ridiculous, esp now he's older, and the excess charges are designed to protect the company, not the owner (are applied to each illness or injury in each year, so by the time they're applied to 2 chronic conditions I only get back about half what I paid the vet). |  |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 14:59 - May 20 with 916 views | Illinoisblue |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 12:51 - May 20 by factual_blue |
No, no, no.
People on here have said the US system is the Best In The World, so it must be.
Although that's because of their ideological standpoint, nothing else. |
Which people on here said that? Just Chico? | |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 15:12 - May 20 with 907 views | factual_blue |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 14:59 - May 20 by Illinoisblue |
Which people on here said that? Just Chico? |
Not just him.
Apparently the US offers the best cancer care in the whole universe. |  |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 15:25 - May 20 with 896 views | GlasgowBlue |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 14:59 - May 20 by Illinoisblue |
Which people on here said that? Just Chico? |
I've never seen anyone on here claim that. The US healthcare system is appalling.
However, people tend to make a discussion about healthcare into a binary one. It's either a choice of the NHS or the US system. Which of course it isn't.
The netherlands and many other European countries have a first class health systems that are not modelled on the NHS. |  |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 15:26 - May 20 with 886 views | Churchman |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 13:47 - May 20 by Ryorry |
We know. But until we have a public who have sufficient braincells to collectively vote this disgusting, corrupt, traitorous, self-serving Government out of office, we will continue along the road to privatisation of the NHS.
A bit like BrexitScandal, the more greycells-challenged (or diehard tribals) among the electoratate will only realise what they've lost when it's too late & gone.
Pet owners have always been particularly aware of the value of the NHS - the cost of drugs alone, never mind vet treatment for, eg., a broken limb, is jaw-dropping. My dog's insured with PetPlan, generally reckoned to be the best pet insurers, but the monthly costs are ridiculous, esp now he's older, and the excess charges are designed to protect the company, not the owner (are applied to each illness or injury in each year, so by the time they're applied to 2 chronic conditions I only get back about half what I paid the vet). |
PetPlan are about the best insurers for pets, even if they are the most expensive. They do pay a proportion for even long term conditions and are easy to deal with. Our previous cats did have their share of problems and the insurance did pay for itself over time.
Back to US medical stuff, I had a good chat with an American of the same age and told him I’d retired in the US a couple of years ago last Feb. He asked me about healthcare and said how lucky we were. He was a successful man (he was on a ski trip and not dressed in Trespass gear), but he said he had to work until 66 when his insurance could replace his work insurance. I didn’t quite understand it tbh, but what was clear that family healthcare provision would determine when he could finish. That was for a wealthy family.
I smiled this morning about the threat of no trade deal with the US over NI Protocol. There won’t be a trade deal regardless. The American pharmaceutical companies would want access then control of U.K. markets and that’d mean drug prices increasing 3x, 4x if not more. Then there’s the desire to pile in on agriproducts - hormone cows etc. Americans don’t do deals unless it favours Americans and since the US is a key trading partner now (we have a trade surplus at the moment and that rightly varies), there’s no overriding need in my view to do a deal, other than political kudos for Johnson, unless there is advantages for us too.
The U.K. government is hellbent on privatisation of the NHS. That’s obvious. They’ve loathed the welfare state since 1947 creation and their view won’t change. ‘If you want it, pay for it’’if you can’t pay for it, work harder or get a second job’. You name it, the usual stuff will come out.
The reality is that the excess death figure, the only useful Covid figure, for the US was one of the worst. One of the reasons for that was its patchy healthcare provision. Which is entirely dependent on your wealth and your insurance.
I hope our cretins are thrown out before they can do too much more damage, but two years is a long time for them to swing that wrecking ball. |  | | |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 16:44 - May 20 with 850 views | Illinoisblue |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 15:25 - May 20 by GlasgowBlue |
I've never seen anyone on here claim that. The US healthcare system is appalling.
However, people tend to make a discussion about healthcare into a binary one. It's either a choice of the NHS or the US system. Which of course it isn't.
The netherlands and many other European countries have a first class health systems that are not modelled on the NHS. |
It’s a good point, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. And certainly the NHS is not perfect. But its heart is in the right place and it was built on the noble intention to help anybody and everybody. If that goes away, there’ll be lots of Brits marveling at their hospital bills. | |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 17:04 - May 20 with 837 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 15:26 - May 20 by Churchman |
PetPlan are about the best insurers for pets, even if they are the most expensive. They do pay a proportion for even long term conditions and are easy to deal with. Our previous cats did have their share of problems and the insurance did pay for itself over time.
Back to US medical stuff, I had a good chat with an American of the same age and told him I’d retired in the US a couple of years ago last Feb. He asked me about healthcare and said how lucky we were. He was a successful man (he was on a ski trip and not dressed in Trespass gear), but he said he had to work until 66 when his insurance could replace his work insurance. I didn’t quite understand it tbh, but what was clear that family healthcare provision would determine when he could finish. That was for a wealthy family.
I smiled this morning about the threat of no trade deal with the US over NI Protocol. There won’t be a trade deal regardless. The American pharmaceutical companies would want access then control of U.K. markets and that’d mean drug prices increasing 3x, 4x if not more. Then there’s the desire to pile in on agriproducts - hormone cows etc. Americans don’t do deals unless it favours Americans and since the US is a key trading partner now (we have a trade surplus at the moment and that rightly varies), there’s no overriding need in my view to do a deal, other than political kudos for Johnson, unless there is advantages for us too.
The U.K. government is hellbent on privatisation of the NHS. That’s obvious. They’ve loathed the welfare state since 1947 creation and their view won’t change. ‘If you want it, pay for it’’if you can’t pay for it, work harder or get a second job’. You name it, the usual stuff will come out.
The reality is that the excess death figure, the only useful Covid figure, for the US was one of the worst. One of the reasons for that was its patchy healthcare provision. Which is entirely dependent on your wealth and your insurance.
I hope our cretins are thrown out before they can do too much more damage, but two years is a long time for them to swing that wrecking ball. |
What I always find staggering is that despite health insurance, the US government still spends more per head on healthcare than the UK - so it’s not like privatisation can be sold as a model to the usual “low tax/low spend” types. [Post edited 20 May 2022 17:05]
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 18:23 - May 20 with 804 views | jontysnut |
Inreresting that any socialised health care system is seen as far left socialism and that somehow the state will have control of people's bodies.
A few years ago my son cracked his head open on the side of a pool in Florida. Claret everywhere and a gruesome looking gash. We took him to a clinic and they said it would need stapling at 50 bucks a staple, probably 10, pay upfront. |  | | |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 18:55 - May 20 with 780 views | jaykay |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 11:39 - May 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Totally agree. People have different experiences and I’m sure it varies around the country, but unfortunately it feels as though it’s on its knees already thanks to successive governments.
Two members of my family have already had to pay for private appointments and consultations etc to avoid waiting months to be seen, for what could be fairly critical health issues. |
when you say successive governments is this tory speak for the last 12 years
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-generous-have-the-conserva |  |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:01 - May 20 with 771 views | Ryorry |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 15:26 - May 20 by Churchman |
PetPlan are about the best insurers for pets, even if they are the most expensive. They do pay a proportion for even long term conditions and are easy to deal with. Our previous cats did have their share of problems and the insurance did pay for itself over time.
Back to US medical stuff, I had a good chat with an American of the same age and told him I’d retired in the US a couple of years ago last Feb. He asked me about healthcare and said how lucky we were. He was a successful man (he was on a ski trip and not dressed in Trespass gear), but he said he had to work until 66 when his insurance could replace his work insurance. I didn’t quite understand it tbh, but what was clear that family healthcare provision would determine when he could finish. That was for a wealthy family.
I smiled this morning about the threat of no trade deal with the US over NI Protocol. There won’t be a trade deal regardless. The American pharmaceutical companies would want access then control of U.K. markets and that’d mean drug prices increasing 3x, 4x if not more. Then there’s the desire to pile in on agriproducts - hormone cows etc. Americans don’t do deals unless it favours Americans and since the US is a key trading partner now (we have a trade surplus at the moment and that rightly varies), there’s no overriding need in my view to do a deal, other than political kudos for Johnson, unless there is advantages for us too.
The U.K. government is hellbent on privatisation of the NHS. That’s obvious. They’ve loathed the welfare state since 1947 creation and their view won’t change. ‘If you want it, pay for it’’if you can’t pay for it, work harder or get a second job’. You name it, the usual stuff will come out.
The reality is that the excess death figure, the only useful Covid figure, for the US was one of the worst. One of the reasons for that was its patchy healthcare provision. Which is entirely dependent on your wealth and your insurance.
I hope our cretins are thrown out before they can do too much more damage, but two years is a long time for them to swing that wrecking ball. |
Yes Petplan are probably the best, which says a lot! I pay £1,200 premium annually, but on average only get less than half of the £100 monthly I shell out for his meds back.
One other really crucial thing not yet covered in this discussion is that people with pre-existing chronic illnesses are unlikely to be able to get insurance at all - insurers will either exclude the illnesses from the contract or refuse to cover the individual at all - or make the premiums so extortionate you'd need to be a billionare to be able to afford them if it's a lifelong condition & you're in, say, your 40s. | |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:20 - May 20 with 761 views | XYZ |
And you usually find that the "there's other ways of doing healthcare" brigade are based in or around Tufton St and refuse to disclose which individuals or organisations are funding their "research".
Question Time had another one on last night. Lobbyists for undisclosed paymasters being presented as "experts" on the BBC's flagship. | | | |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:24 - May 20 with 756 views | Darth_Koont |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:20 - May 20 by XYZ |
And you usually find that the "there's other ways of doing healthcare" brigade are based in or around Tufton St and refuse to disclose which individuals or organisations are funding their "research".
Question Time had another one on last night. Lobbyists for undisclosed paymasters being presented as "experts" on the BBC's flagship. |
All of which is a worry with the now donor-led Labour party. Privatised healthcare seeping out of its arse. [Post edited 20 May 2022 19:29]
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:31 - May 20 with 743 views | XYZ |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:24 - May 20 by Darth_Koont |
All of which is a worry with the now donor-led Labour party. Privatised healthcare seeping out of its arse. [Post edited 20 May 2022 19:29]
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I recall reading that Wes Streeting takes a "pragmatic" approach to private funding which sounds like the thin end of a wedge.
Whilst the 1997-2010 governments did a lot of good for the NHS, Brown's PPPs opened the door to the ideology. | | | |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:39 - May 20 with 734 views | Darth_Koont |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:31 - May 20 by XYZ |
I recall reading that Wes Streeting takes a "pragmatic" approach to private funding which sounds like the thin end of a wedge.
Whilst the 1997-2010 governments did a lot of good for the NHS, Brown's PPPs opened the door to the ideology. |
The thin end of the wedge indeed.
If you see people like Streeting from the perspective of them looking to get paid (or their ambitions bankrolled by private interest) then everything makes perfect sense.
It’s Change UK pretending to be democracy. | |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:40 - May 20 with 735 views | footers |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 19:31 - May 20 by XYZ |
I recall reading that Wes Streeting takes a "pragmatic" approach to private funding which sounds like the thin end of a wedge.
Whilst the 1997-2010 governments did a lot of good for the NHS, Brown's PPPs opened the door to the ideology. |
Wes Streeting is a massive knob.
Sweardown. |  |
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| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 02:45 - May 21 with 646 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 12:31 - May 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I watched a series called “Dopesick” about the opioid epidemic- specifically OxyContin - a real eye opener, and amazing that these events could take place in the richest country in the world. |
Have you looked at pharmaceutical company profits outside of the United States recently? |  | | |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 02:53 - May 21 with 645 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Although you can literally phone any medical specialist “in network” and get seem immediately if there’s an issue. I had some scopes within a few weeks for some worrying symptoms I had happening. Got a feeling at my age the NHS might have brushed it off.
I guess it depends on your personal/family health and how much you’re prepared to pay up front to protect yourself on your plan. Do you look at the amount out of your wages per month on your plan compared to national insurance and compare it? My max out of pocket is just a few thousand a year.
I will say the way America abandons poor people is shocking but generally they will treat you regardless. If it goes unpaid it will mess up you said persons credit and finances even more though which is a cycle of poverty that isn’t good. Medicare and Medicaid is ridiculously complicated as well for those that might need it. | | | |
| You should treasure the NHS and guard it with your life on 06:55 - May 21 with 616 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Thé clue is in the fact you paid for something you needed - and have insurance. It’s the same system in the UK - you pay an insurance premium called a tax. And then hope you never need it. The concept was OK in the late 1940’s when a chain smoking, alcoholic doctor in a tweed jacket referred you for something if he felt generous on a Friday afternoon after the yellow linctus didn’t work. Now it’s a hopelessly outdated and underfunded system - held back by constant interference and spiralling costs - not to mention an aging population. Anyone who has experienced the NHS at the geriatric end of the spectrum for elderly patients will feel very different about the NHS - and having moved to a neighbouring country I’m staggered at the jaw-doping difference in healthcare offered by a civilised country | |
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