| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU 09:12 - Jun 3 with 4353 views | nodge_blue |
Would we have to wait multiple years for our application to be considered?
Im unclear why this process seems to be so long, or whether previous membership would cut out not of that. I still hope that one day we will rejoin, but I hadn't quite appreciated that the process seems to run into decades. |  |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:06 - Jun 3 with 1194 views | gazzer1999 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 13:48 - Jun 3 by HARRY10 |
I think it was inevitable from before the referendim. And I would further suggest that for many of the 'not too bright' it has needed their idiocy tested.
So much that was bleated 'project fear...baa baa' has already, very quickly, proven correct. And far from it being a short sharp jolt that would allow the UK to move forward, it is more of a slow lingering cancer, whereby business and jobs are slipping into Europe and the UK is facing some harsh truths about trade - now it is isolated.
Far from there being 40 new deals on day one either, there has been almost nothing. Japan, worse than what we previously had, much as with Aus/NZ where the effect on UK farmers will be devastating. And even those two are yet to be ratified.
It is as if the UK has decided to dispense with an insurance broker/comparison sites, and phone every insurance company individually, only as an owner of one car, not a fleet of 28.
So despite all the nonsense from Brexiteers the UK is STILL trading under EU schedules and probably will for a decade or so. Only changing when the EU says change. A rule taker, from being a rule maker.
The Labour shortages will continue as there is no longer a ready supply of workers to take up the slack, should the economy grow. You cannot add 4 million extra customs forms per week, and lord knows what other bureaucracy and it not have an effect. Was this foreseen. Yes. But the numpties believed that 'they need us more than we need them' so the UK would not become, not be treated as a 3rd country. As predicted, it now is.
Has the process of reintegration begin ? Yes, as the UK rows back on work visas, and the implementation of import checks. It will be a continuous process of breaking down barriers and opening the way to free trade once more.
How far, and how quick we will have to wait to see. But the nightmare of the UK becoming some European N Korea, closed off from the outside world was never going to happen, long term.
Denmark has just joined the EU defence system. Finland and Norway are joining Nato, Ukraine wants to join the EU as do others -it will be economic need that drive this 'coming in from the cold', rather than any isolationist delusion
Speed the day. |
So with the labour shortages do you not think we should go back to what we did before freedom of movement and actually train the young to do these jobs, or shall we just rely on cheap labour from poorer parts of the EU?
I for one want to see more opportunities for young people to give them hope. |  | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:07 - Jun 3 with 1184 views | m14_blue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:06 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
So with the labour shortages do you not think we should go back to what we did before freedom of movement and actually train the young to do these jobs, or shall we just rely on cheap labour from poorer parts of the EU?
I for one want to see more opportunities for young people to give them hope. |
Have you seen the current unemployment figures? |  | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:10 - Jun 3 with 1181 views | gazzer1999 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:07 - Jun 3 by m14_blue |
Have you seen the current unemployment figures? |
3.6% officially. But inactive is likely massively higher. | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:19 - Jun 3 with 1167 views | m14_blue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:10 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
3.6% officially. But inactive is likely massively higher. |
Yeah, so presumably we can agree that a skills shortage really isn't the issue with the current crisis? (I agree it's both an issue and an opportunity in general).
The vacancies are primarily in low skilled, low paid work and we simply don't have the bodies to fill them. This isn't about apprenticeships or training, it's just numbers. | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:26 - Jun 3 with 1157 views | Darth_Koont |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:06 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
So with the labour shortages do you not think we should go back to what we did before freedom of movement and actually train the young to do these jobs, or shall we just rely on cheap labour from poorer parts of the EU?
I for one want to see more opportunities for young people to give them hope. |
Problem is that our economy and society are so financialised now that making money and making things/utilising labour don’t go together.
For instance, a skilled or even semi-skilled workforce is more likely to be seen as a cost nowadays.
Far easier to make money by leveraging assets or outsourcing annoying things like production labour to far cheaper and unregulated countries. |  |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:35 - Jun 3 with 1145 views | gazzer1999 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:19 - Jun 3 by m14_blue |
Yeah, so presumably we can agree that a skills shortage really isn't the issue with the current crisis? (I agree it's both an issue and an opportunity in general).
The vacancies are primarily in low skilled, low paid work and we simply don't have the bodies to fill them. This isn't about apprenticeships or training, it's just numbers. |
Unfortunately there is a skills shortage, that is and will become a major problem in the next few years. Unless schools wake up to the problem and move back to more vocational and less of the stem subjects the problem will only be exasperated.
Whatever your views on leaving the EU we should be looking at long term projects for young people. | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:35 - Jun 3 with 1145 views | Darth_Koont |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 13:11 - Jun 3 by mutters |
I've said on many occasions there is no grey any more in politics, you are either on one side or the other. I got accused of having powder puff political views a while ago as I dared to have a centralist opinion on a matter. It makes political debate very tricky as people are so entrenched that they can't even contemplate any other opinion. Brexit has been a key driver of this due to having to take one side or the other.
As somebody who has lived in a number of the EU states and travelled extensively across the region I wish we had kept freedom of movement. My little one won't have the opportunities that I had, which is a real shame. It's an absolute disgrace that it has been taken away from them. |
Well said.
The UK is a bad enough place as it is for younger people with cost of living, exorbitant housing costs, stagnant wages, student debt, massive regional, ethnic and class inequalities etc.
But then limiting their ability to easily explore opportunities outside the UK is a sick joke. | |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:50 - Jun 3 with 1129 views | portitfcman |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 11:27 - Jun 3 by Guthrum |
We'd need a government willing to consider that, first. |
A government AND an electorate! | | | |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 15:10 - Jun 3 with 1115 views | m14_blue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:35 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Unfortunately there is a skills shortage, that is and will become a major problem in the next few years. Unless schools wake up to the problem and move back to more vocational and less of the stem subjects the problem will only be exasperated.
Whatever your views on leaving the EU we should be looking at long term projects for young people. |
Yes I pretty much agree with that.
It isn't what's driving the current staffing crisis though, or at least not the main cause. | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 16:00 - Jun 3 with 1084 views | Ryorry |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:35 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Unfortunately there is a skills shortage, that is and will become a major problem in the next few years. Unless schools wake up to the problem and move back to more vocational and less of the stem subjects the problem will only be exasperated.
Whatever your views on leaving the EU we should be looking at long term projects for young people. |
Smiling at your "exasperated" typo, as that's probably the state in which most people with functioning braincells are re Brexit & those who still maintain that us leaving the EU was somehow "great" for the UK.
Whilst Brexit may have exacerbated our skills shortage, I think the problem started well before that. Am all for people expanding their horizons, critical reading, writing & thinking skills, but those who aren't academically inclined being encouraged to go to Uni just because there's a perception by some that those who don't are somehow lesser beings, isn't helping anyone. |  |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 16:02 - Jun 3 with 1087 views | chicoazul |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 10:05 - Jun 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
As the Northern Ireland border issue cannot be solved outside the single market I’d say the obvious solution is to simply join the single market. I’m sure by having a ‘Norway stylé deal will satisfy most blinkered Brexiteers, if not the deranged zealots and would keep most remainders happy |
A Norwegian style agreement was always going to be the least bad route going forwards but our deranged government have probably burnt that bridge. |  |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 16:44 - Jun 3 with 1055 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:35 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Unfortunately there is a skills shortage, that is and will become a major problem in the next few years. Unless schools wake up to the problem and move back to more vocational and less of the stem subjects the problem will only be exasperated.
Whatever your views on leaving the EU we should be looking at long term projects for young people. |
"Unless schools wake up to the problem and move back to more vocational and less of the stem subjects the problem will only be exasperated."
You confuse schools with the Government. The Government sets education policy and removed vocational qualifications from league tables (whilst making funding more dependant on numbers and therefore league tables and Ofsted ratings even more precious). It was about a decade ago that schools stopped providing vocational courses and started forcing everyone through an academic route for this reason. It is dreadful for those students who do not excel academically and are now repeatedly told they are failures instead (much more so than in the past which was bad enough).
There was a skills centre built in Halesworth that provided opportunities and training for many. It is now a housing estate. This is entirely due to Government policy. The Government you are very keen to support. When you say "schools" think about what you really mean. You really mean your preferred Government's education policies. |  |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:08 - Jun 3 with 1040 views | gazzer1999 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 16:44 - Jun 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Unless schools wake up to the problem and move back to more vocational and less of the stem subjects the problem will only be exasperated."
You confuse schools with the Government. The Government sets education policy and removed vocational qualifications from league tables (whilst making funding more dependant on numbers and therefore league tables and Ofsted ratings even more precious). It was about a decade ago that schools stopped providing vocational courses and started forcing everyone through an academic route for this reason. It is dreadful for those students who do not excel academically and are now repeatedly told they are failures instead (much more so than in the past which was bad enough).
There was a skills centre built in Halesworth that provided opportunities and training for many. It is now a housing estate. This is entirely due to Government policy. The Government you are very keen to support. When you say "schools" think about what you really mean. You really mean your preferred Government's education policies. |
Yes I can only apologise for education, education, education. I totally agree about university is not for everyone which is why I am talking about getting more vocational subjects back into high schools. However not at the expense of English and mathematics, which currently is appalling.
For the record my children are all in their thirties and they never had the opportunity to do much in the way of vocational studies, so a bit longer than your convenient 10 years.
When will you realise that it is all governments of either side mess up education, right from the 60’s when very trendy methods were adopted. | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:16 - Jun 3 with 1025 views | Darth_Koont |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:08 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Yes I can only apologise for education, education, education. I totally agree about university is not for everyone which is why I am talking about getting more vocational subjects back into high schools. However not at the expense of English and mathematics, which currently is appalling.
For the record my children are all in their thirties and they never had the opportunity to do much in the way of vocational studies, so a bit longer than your convenient 10 years.
When will you realise that it is all governments of either side mess up education, right from the 60’s when very trendy methods were adopted. |
Teachers and education researchers understand teaching a lot better than non-teachers do.
We should let them get on with creating an education system that gets the best results for students – as a whole and as individuals.
I think political agendas and man-in-the-street opinions have a lot to answer for. We’ve also seen them creep into and take over healthcare and other public services, similarly to their detriment. | |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:24 - Jun 3 with 1013 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:08 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Yes I can only apologise for education, education, education. I totally agree about university is not for everyone which is why I am talking about getting more vocational subjects back into high schools. However not at the expense of English and mathematics, which currently is appalling.
For the record my children are all in their thirties and they never had the opportunity to do much in the way of vocational studies, so a bit longer than your convenient 10 years.
When will you realise that it is all governments of either side mess up education, right from the 60’s when very trendy methods were adopted. |
I work in education. I cannot comment on the specifics of your children but I am giving facts based on actual experience. Just because facts are inconvenient to you don't ignore them in favour of your own personal experience of your children.
Specifically the skills centre closed in 2016. https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/north-suffolk-skills-academy-in-halesworth-will-clos It offered vocational education until it closed. Maybe the school where you sent your children was not covered by it for any number of reasons but vocational education existed and was of some value until then. It has no value to the Government (and therefore the vast majority of schools) now. That is why the centre closed.
It is this Government. Education, education, education is the last time there was any significant investment in state sector education. There was a policy of building schools for the future. https://www.partnershipsforschools.org.uk/documents/BSF_Guidance_Documents/BSF%2 It was announced by Blair's Government in 2003. This was scrapped in 2010 by Gove (the worst education secretary in history by 2 million miles) https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Building_Schools_for_the_Future_BSF#:~
We are now in the position that many school buildings in use are dangerous https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36256350#:~:text=%22From%20damp%2C%20leaky% Both of the last schools I have worked in have rooves that are severely leaking every time it rains. Both have antiquated IT systems. This is due to a lack of funding. | |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:25 - Jun 3 with 1010 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:16 - Jun 3 by Darth_Koont |
Teachers and education researchers understand teaching a lot better than non-teachers do.
We should let them get on with creating an education system that gets the best results for students – as a whole and as individuals.
I think political agendas and man-in-the-street opinions have a lot to answer for. We’ve also seen them creep into and take over healthcare and other public services, similarly to their detriment. |
Gazzer's ability to allow his own experience to set himself above people at the chalk face and their knowledge is second to none! | |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:08 - Jun 3 with 961 views | gazzer1999 |
I really do not care which government is in power, more that we provide for the future of our young people.
I hope as you like to quote facts that you acknowledge that the skills centre which you mention closed do to lack of numbers attending in Halesworth; has been reopened some time by Suffolk New College and appears to be moving in the right direction.
I agree we need to rebuild our ageing schools but funding it through PFI is just plain wrong.
I also work in education and as I said earlier I want schools to prepare the future workforce with useful skills to enable everyone to get on in life. Not everyone needs to go to uni, and we will need people in areas like construction for many years to come. It just seems very sad that the public at large are prepared to write off generations of youngsters.
As an aside I think you will find the plural of roof is roofs not rooves. | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:10 - Jun 3 with 954 views | HARRY10 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 14:06 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
So with the labour shortages do you not think we should go back to what we did before freedom of movement and actually train the young to do these jobs, or shall we just rely on cheap labour from poorer parts of the EU?
I for one want to see more opportunities for young people to give them hope. |
The job vacancies are not in places where youngsters with training would be employed - slaughter house, bar work, meat packing, baggage handler, fruit picking, courier driver, waiting staff etc
Though maybe you should ask yourself why after 12 years of Tory rule youngsters aren't getting the training youn think they should [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 19:16]
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:13 - Jun 3 with 951 views | HARRY10 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 15:10 - Jun 3 by m14_blue |
Yes I pretty much agree with that.
It isn't what's driving the current staffing crisis though, or at least not the main cause. |
nope, absolutely not | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:16 - Jun 3 with 949 views | gazzer1999 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:10 - Jun 3 by HARRY10 |
The job vacancies are not in places where youngsters with training would be employed - slaughter house, bar work, meat packing, baggage handler, fruit picking, courier driver, waiting staff etc
Though maybe you should ask yourself why after 12 years of Tory rule youngsters aren't getting the training youn think they should [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 19:16]
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You got a problem with those jobs? | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:18 - Jun 3 with 933 views | HARRY10 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:16 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
You got a problem with those jobs? |
eh ? | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 21:44 - Jun 3 with 878 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:08 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
I really do not care which government is in power, more that we provide for the future of our young people.
I hope as you like to quote facts that you acknowledge that the skills centre which you mention closed do to lack of numbers attending in Halesworth; has been reopened some time by Suffolk New College and appears to be moving in the right direction.
I agree we need to rebuild our ageing schools but funding it through PFI is just plain wrong.
I also work in education and as I said earlier I want schools to prepare the future workforce with useful skills to enable everyone to get on in life. Not everyone needs to go to uni, and we will need people in areas like construction for many years to come. It just seems very sad that the public at large are prepared to write off generations of youngsters.
As an aside I think you will find the plural of roof is roofs not rooves. |
Utter tosh. The skills centre has not been reopened by Suffolk New College. Please link where you got that misinformation from.
The Skills Centre in Halesworth catered for 14-16 year olds doing vocational courses. Suffolk New College is not based anywhere near Halesworth and does not cater for under 16s.
You are talking rubbish about things you know absolutely nothing about. Please link where you are getting your information.
It is Government policy that has no value on vocational courses at age 16 and, as such led to the collapse in numbers. I know first hand from my own experience in education with that particular setting. Stop trying to pretend you know about something you have no understanding of!
Blair funding schools through PFI is not ideal. However, it would be preferable to not funding them at all which is the current policy. | |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 21:50 - Jun 3 with 868 views | gazzer1999 |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 21:44 - Jun 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Utter tosh. The skills centre has not been reopened by Suffolk New College. Please link where you got that misinformation from.
The Skills Centre in Halesworth catered for 14-16 year olds doing vocational courses. Suffolk New College is not based anywhere near Halesworth and does not cater for under 16s.
You are talking rubbish about things you know absolutely nothing about. Please link where you are getting your information.
It is Government policy that has no value on vocational courses at age 16 and, as such led to the collapse in numbers. I know first hand from my own experience in education with that particular setting. Stop trying to pretend you know about something you have no understanding of!
Blair funding schools through PFI is not ideal. However, it would be preferable to not funding them at all which is the current policy. |
https://halesworthcampus.org/skills-centre-update/ | | | |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 21:54 - Jun 3 with 862 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Oh dear!
https://halesworthcampus.org/about/
Try looking at what you are reading about. This is nothing to do with vocational education let alone at under 16.
What you are really referring to is who will run the playing fields which is all that is left at the site. | |
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| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 21:56 - Jun 3 with 854 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 21:54 - Jun 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Oh dear!
https://halesworthcampus.org/about/
Try looking at what you are reading about. This is nothing to do with vocational education let alone at under 16.
What you are really referring to is who will run the playing fields which is all that is left at the site. |
PS Those laying fields were originally community run. The article you link is the community expressing disappointment at them being handed over to Suffolk New College to be privately run instead. | |
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