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Would we have to wait multiple years for our application to be considered?
Im unclear why this process seems to be so long, or whether previous membership would cut out not of that. I still hope that one day we will rejoin, but I hadn't quite appreciated that the process seems to run into decades.
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:06 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999
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That is news to me ... as well as Halesworth being on the coast!
This is planning permission that has been granted in January 2022 and I cannot see any evidence that they are offering courses to Under 16s in September. When do their U16 courses begin?
As I have been saying, there is no facility for U16 vocational education in Halesworth. OK, I was unaware of the plans to build something (presumably post-16 as that is what Suffolk New College do) which is not yet in existence.
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:15 - Jun 3 by Nthsuffolkblue
That is news to me ... as well as Halesworth being on the coast!
This is planning permission that has been granted in January 2022 and I cannot see any evidence that they are offering courses to Under 16s in September. When do their U16 courses begin?
As I have been saying, there is no facility for U16 vocational education in Halesworth. OK, I was unaware of the plans to build something (presumably post-16 as that is what Suffolk New College do) which is not yet in existence.
I agree it is post 16 but what do you want? Schools do not offer as much vocational education so it is done post 16. If you want to try and belittle me do some proper research first SNC has been operating a campus for over a year there, just go and see for yourself. I assumed from the way you were posting links you were on its doorstep. Let’s agree that we both want what is best for the future of this country and young people.
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If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:34 - Jun 3 with 1024 views
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:23 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999
I agree it is post 16 but what do you want? Schools do not offer as much vocational education so it is done post 16. If you want to try and belittle me do some proper research first SNC has been operating a campus for over a year there, just go and see for yourself. I assumed from the way you were posting links you were on its doorstep. Let’s agree that we both want what is best for the future of this country and young people.
That was my point that there is no vocational education pre-16 due to Government policy. You said that was the case when your children were little. I stated that until within the last decade there was provision and I knew of it at Halesworth. You argued that provision was now run by Suffolk New College.
You failed to mention that is it not under 16.
You failed to mention that it doesn't yet exist.
I still can't see what courses will actually be on offer or when.
Sorry if you find that belittling.
I was led to believe that when it closed it got demolished. I am no longer on the doorstep. I agree I want the best for the future of the country and its young people. That is clearly not under this Government.
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 19:10 - Jun 3 by HARRY10
The job vacancies are not in places where youngsters with training would be employed - slaughter house, bar work, meat packing, baggage handler, fruit picking, courier driver, waiting staff etc
Though maybe you should ask yourself why after 12 years of Tory rule youngsters aren't getting the training youn think they should
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now you claim
"I also work in education and as I said earlier I want schools to prepare the future workforce with useful skills to enable everyone to get on in life"
Whereas none of the above, as listed, require that much in skills, So if they are not filling the jobs listed, why would they do so after being trained ?
There are jobs that are seasonal. seen as short term or as a means to earn a wage better than in their country of origin ie 'Herring girls' travelling down the east coast 'processing' herring, Londoners picking hops.
What brexit did, in it's infinite stupidity, is to end that practice at one go. So as many of the above jobs are often transitory, as each worker leaves (for a variety of reasons) there is no one to replace them.
Already one Tory has broken ranks and spoken out.
The chaos at the airports and ports will continue, and lord knows what will happen if the UK does attempt to 'take back control' of goods coming into the country.
However, as a consequence of the UK putting up barriers and costs
"John McGrane, director general of the British Irish Chamber of Commerce, told the Irish Independent that the decline in ROI imports from GB was down to ROI firms finding new suppliers in Europe. “The reality is that trade doesn’t do politics. It just finds the shortest route to market,” he said."
and
"The same figures revealed that ROI imports from NI in the first eleven months of 2021 increased by 64% to €3,679m compared with the same period in 2020. "ROI exports to NI were also up, by 48% to €3,305m in the same period in 2020."
Whilst the latter figures no doubt reflect the lower volumes of trade in 2020, they still point to the fact that the UK is losing trade - and will continue to do so as Brexit costs, regulation and delay act as a tax upon producers and import/exporters.
Many, like farmers, take a year or so to change the amount they produce. Similarly, manufacturers cannot simply up sticks and move overnight - so it will continue to be a long painful process as business slowly lips away from the UK.
Which alone is not good, but add on the ability of youngsters to work, and gain experience in the EU which has now also been binned and you will understand why steps are already being taken to built bridges, however small.
It will grow
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If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:53 - Jun 3 with 1011 views
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:34 - Jun 3 by Nthsuffolkblue
That was my point that there is no vocational education pre-16 due to Government policy. You said that was the case when your children were little. I stated that until within the last decade there was provision and I knew of it at Halesworth. You argued that provision was now run by Suffolk New College.
You failed to mention that is it not under 16.
You failed to mention that it doesn't yet exist.
I still can't see what courses will actually be on offer or when.
Sorry if you find that belittling.
I was led to believe that when it closed it got demolished. I am no longer on the doorstep. I agree I want the best for the future of the country and its young people. That is clearly not under this Government.
What part of been operating for over a year do you not understand? Watch the video and you will see at the end what courses are on offer. You could also check out the SNC website if you wish and it will tell you about everything that is available at all its campus's. So it already exists, staff and students already studying there. SNC has in the past offered 14-16 vocational courses but I am not sure that they do anymore. It really is for the schools to offer that provision. My original point being that schools need to have a rethink about what they offer as A levels and Uni is not for everyone. As a lot of schools are now academies they are free to offer what they want and are not under the jurisdiction of the LEA's. I guess its easy to always blame governments but both have made a pigs ear of it.
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:53 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999
What part of been operating for over a year do you not understand? Watch the video and you will see at the end what courses are on offer. You could also check out the SNC website if you wish and it will tell you about everything that is available at all its campus's. So it already exists, staff and students already studying there. SNC has in the past offered 14-16 vocational courses but I am not sure that they do anymore. It really is for the schools to offer that provision. My original point being that schools need to have a rethink about what they offer as A levels and Uni is not for everyone. As a lot of schools are now academies they are free to offer what they want and are not under the jurisdiction of the LEA's. I guess its easy to always blame governments but both have made a pigs ear of it.
It is simple.
Schools did offer it. One place where several local schools did was at the Skills Centre at Halesworth (I am glad it is now being used for adult education but that is not the same thing).
It is clear why schools no longer offer it. This is the crux of the point and why it is 100% Government policy that dictates it.
Schools receive funding for each student they have on role. Schools that are full rely on good league table placings and Ofsted ratings (as well as reputation in the community).
Under the Tory Government, the vocational courses that were counted in the league tables were no longer counted. As a result, local schools no longer took up places at the Skills Centre at Halesworth. This is where I believed it to have been closed and built upon (they were the plans that I was aware of although it appears the Centre itself was saved and used for adult education instead).
The reason why there is no vocational education of any note pre-16 is entirely down to Government policy. Schools that offered the courses were doing too well in the league tables that this Government decided should be academic and not vocational. Education policy is set by central Government and this is no exception. And so we are back where we begun this side track. When you criticise schools, look at what you are really criticising. It is central Government policy.
And then, your response that the colour of Government makes no difference couldn't be further from the truth. As I have pointed out, it makes all the difference to vocational offers and to funding and therefore all provision.
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 22:35 - Jun 3 by HARRY10
now you claim
"I also work in education and as I said earlier I want schools to prepare the future workforce with useful skills to enable everyone to get on in life"
Whereas none of the above, as listed, require that much in skills, So if they are not filling the jobs listed, why would they do so after being trained ?
There are jobs that are seasonal. seen as short term or as a means to earn a wage better than in their country of origin ie 'Herring girls' travelling down the east coast 'processing' herring, Londoners picking hops.
What brexit did, in it's infinite stupidity, is to end that practice at one go. So as many of the above jobs are often transitory, as each worker leaves (for a variety of reasons) there is no one to replace them.
Already one Tory has broken ranks and spoken out.
The chaos at the airports and ports will continue, and lord knows what will happen if the UK does attempt to 'take back control' of goods coming into the country.
However, as a consequence of the UK putting up barriers and costs
"John McGrane, director general of the British Irish Chamber of Commerce, told the Irish Independent that the decline in ROI imports from GB was down to ROI firms finding new suppliers in Europe. “The reality is that trade doesn’t do politics. It just finds the shortest route to market,” he said."
and
"The same figures revealed that ROI imports from NI in the first eleven months of 2021 increased by 64% to €3,679m compared with the same period in 2020. "ROI exports to NI were also up, by 48% to €3,305m in the same period in 2020."
Whilst the latter figures no doubt reflect the lower volumes of trade in 2020, they still point to the fact that the UK is losing trade - and will continue to do so as Brexit costs, regulation and delay act as a tax upon producers and import/exporters.
Many, like farmers, take a year or so to change the amount they produce. Similarly, manufacturers cannot simply up sticks and move overnight - so it will continue to be a long painful process as business slowly lips away from the UK.
Which alone is not good, but add on the ability of youngsters to work, and gain experience in the EU which has now also been binned and you will understand why steps are already being taken to built bridges, however small.
It will grow
Harry unfortunately leaving the EU has happened. We can no longer ship in labour to do skilled jobs or 'unskilled' for that matter. So we need to prepare for the future whatever that may be, we will have to reinvent some of our manufacturing again so do you see my point. Don't belittle some of the jobs that you mention someone needs to do them, we have plenty of people that are able to fill those jobs just maybe not the incentive for them to.
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If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 23:28 - Jun 3 with 970 views
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 23:03 - Jun 3 by Nthsuffolkblue
It is simple.
Schools did offer it. One place where several local schools did was at the Skills Centre at Halesworth (I am glad it is now being used for adult education but that is not the same thing).
It is clear why schools no longer offer it. This is the crux of the point and why it is 100% Government policy that dictates it.
Schools receive funding for each student they have on role. Schools that are full rely on good league table placings and Ofsted ratings (as well as reputation in the community).
Under the Tory Government, the vocational courses that were counted in the league tables were no longer counted. As a result, local schools no longer took up places at the Skills Centre at Halesworth. This is where I believed it to have been closed and built upon (they were the plans that I was aware of although it appears the Centre itself was saved and used for adult education instead).
The reason why there is no vocational education of any note pre-16 is entirely down to Government policy. Schools that offered the courses were doing too well in the league tables that this Government decided should be academic and not vocational. Education policy is set by central Government and this is no exception. And so we are back where we begun this side track. When you criticise schools, look at what you are really criticising. It is central Government policy.
And then, your response that the colour of Government makes no difference couldn't be further from the truth. As I have pointed out, it makes all the difference to vocational offers and to funding and therefore all provision.
Sorry to not agree with your 'adult education' children have to be in education until they are 18 now or in a job with training such as apprenticeships. It is true you can be an adult at a college but it is really now all about 16-18. Generally 14-16 age group going to a 'skills centre' or college was because of difficulties for them in formal educational settings. It is good that they are not being pushed out before their time and remaining where they are entitled to be.
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If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 08:14 - Jun 4 with 873 views
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 11:43 - Jun 3 by Ryorry
Why would any 27-member family agree to allow its black sheep former family member who not only pissed on it while inside the tent, but then also pissed on it from outside after leaving, back in on the same favourable terms as it had before?
Null chance.
Simple answer money
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If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:26 - Jun 4 with 759 views
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:16 - Jun 4 by Leaky
You mean the lie that the housing market would collapse, there were lies on both sides of the argument
I don't remember that one.
Someone said they were unaware of some of the issues like the problem with Northern Ireland even though that was mentioned by what was painted as "Project Fear".
I am glad you seem to find the Brexit experience is going well. However, that is not the experience of those who report on the economy generally.
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 12:55 - Jun 3 by MattinLondon
I still think that if the politicians wanted to reflect the mood of the country then they would have acknowledged that the country was almost spilt in half. Ok, the vote was to leave but it wasn’t hugely conclusive.Based on this, I think, that most people would have accepted leaving but keeping in the single market and freedom of movement.
The entire winner-takes-all mentality has done significant damage to the country and has brought in more diversion and hostility.
Why didn't the EU listen when the UK voted leave & think ahh perhaps we should reform how we run this bureaucracy of failed politician's being dumped on the EU. I would prefer a return to the EEC where we were just a trading block
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If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 17:28 - Jun 4 with 757 views
If Britain were to vote to rejoin the EU on 09:17 - Jun 3 by Guthrum
Very likely, bureaucracy moves slowly and we were troublemakers before. Tho there would not be all the "proving we meet the standards" process - unless the Government passes tons of "not the EU" type legislation (e.g. reintroducing groats, bushels, the death penalty, etc.).
The biggest issue would be having none of our former opt-outs and a likely insistence on joining the Euro (not a good thing, IMO).
[Post edited 3 Jun 2022 9:36]
Chances of it happening?
At this rate I'm seriously considering moving to Ireland so I can hopefully have an Irish passport in about 6 years' time.
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