| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? 10:18 - Jun 15 with 3228 views | Trequartista |
I’m sure it’s more nuanced than that but is that what it boils down to in the end? We can’t have a border on the Irish mainland and we can’t have a border in the Irish Sea. |  |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 10:20 - Jun 15 with 2092 views | Keno |
not sure if the link will work but this sums it up really well
Click on it and read it through
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 10:23 - Jun 15 with 2078 views | Cotty |
It's almost like Brexit was a terrible and poorly thought through idea. |  | | |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 10:41 - Jun 15 with 2007 views | Keno |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 10:23 - Jun 15 by Cotty |
It's almost like Brexit was a terrible and poorly thought through idea. |
Oh come on Cotty it working out splendidly
we have control of out border ...... well ..... if you ignore the only border we actually have and the impending civil war thats now looming
and we have got rid of all those horrid foreign workers that we taking all out jobs ...... well ....if you ignore the staff shortages everywhere because we doing have anyone to do the jobs left vacant by the people we got rid off | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:08 - Jun 15 with 1950 views | Trequartista |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 10:20 - Jun 15 by Keno |
not sure if the link will work but this sums it up really well
Click on it and read it through
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Thanks for the link. The tweets are from 2018 so i’m not sure who he is referring to when he says “you” and “your” is it Mrs May ? Anyway I think you are saying the answer to my question is yes, we are essentially locked in? | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:09 - Jun 15 with 1947 views | Trequartista |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 10:23 - Jun 15 by Cotty |
It's almost like Brexit was a terrible and poorly thought through idea. |
So that’s a “Yes” ? | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:13 - Jun 15 with 1935 views | Lord_Lucan |
It's a peacock dance |  |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:18 - Jun 15 with 1920 views | wkj |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:09 - Jun 15 by Trequartista |
So that’s a “Yes” ? |
No, not entirely. A customs union would essentially resolve a lot of the issues with the NI border whilst retaining most of the perceived 'benefits' of brexit |  |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:20 - Jun 15 with 1917 views | Kievthegreat |
It doesn't. It is based on our membership of the European Court of Human Rights (nothing to do with EU) and there being no border on the island of Ireland. There's nothing in terms of treaty or agreement that makes a border in the Irish sea impossible.
It's a political decision of this government and the DUPes in Northern Ireland to make it an issue, namely by lying to the public and saying it wasn't going to happen, despite signing a treaty to say it was going happen. |  | | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:27 - Jun 15 with 1884 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:18 - Jun 15 by wkj |
No, not entirely. A customs union would essentially resolve a lot of the issues with the NI border whilst retaining most of the perceived 'benefits' of brexit |
It really isn't as simple as that. | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:30 - Jun 15 with 1868 views | wkj |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:27 - Jun 15 by Lord_Lucan |
It really isn't as simple as that. |
Simplicity was never implied. | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:31 - Jun 15 with 1861 views | pointofblue |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:08 - Jun 15 by Trequartista |
Thanks for the link. The tweets are from 2018 so i’m not sure who he is referring to when he says “you” and “your” is it Mrs May ? Anyway I think you are saying the answer to my question is yes, we are essentially locked in? |
He’s referring to an article written by Johnson in the Telegraph at the time. |  |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:35 - Jun 15 with 1853 views | Ely_Blue |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 10:41 - Jun 15 by Keno |
Oh come on Cotty it working out splendidly
we have control of out border ...... well ..... if you ignore the only border we actually have and the impending civil war thats now looming
and we have got rid of all those horrid foreign workers that we taking all out jobs ...... well ....if you ignore the staff shortages everywhere because we doing have anyone to do the jobs left vacant by the people we got rid off |
Yeah but all those foreigners we will send home will solve our overcrowded and stretched nhs though so it’s all going to be ok! |  |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:38 - Jun 15 with 1841 views | Keno |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:35 - Jun 15 by Ely_Blue |
Yeah but all those foreigners we will send home will solve our overcrowded and stretched nhs though so it’s all going to be ok! |
I am reminded of Alan B'Stard speak in which he proposed a solution to NHS waiting lists and the issue of funding an ageing population....... kill off all the old people | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:41 - Jun 15 with 1830 views | wkj |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:35 - Jun 15 by Ely_Blue |
Yeah but all those foreigners we will send home will solve our overcrowded and stretched nhs though so it’s all going to be ok! |
Or exacerbate it as foreign doctors and nurses help keep the NHS staffed. | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:45 - Jun 15 with 1815 views | Ely_Blue |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:41 - Jun 15 by wkj |
Or exacerbate it as foreign doctors and nurses help keep the NHS staffed. |
You know my post was sarcastic don’t you? | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:48 - Jun 15 with 1799 views | wkj |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:45 - Jun 15 by Ely_Blue |
You know my post was sarcastic don’t you? |
It's not strictly you I was trying to signal to. Some people will inevitably need the colouring book version. | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 12:13 - Jun 15 with 1748 views | Fixed_It |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:38 - Jun 15 by Keno |
I am reminded of Alan B'Stard speak in which he proposed a solution to NHS waiting lists and the issue of funding an ageing population....... kill off all the old people |
The Tories have tried that one already... [Post edited 15 Jun 2022 12:25]
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 12:14 - Jun 15 with 1738 views | Keno |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:48 - Jun 15 by wkj |
It's not strictly you I was trying to signal to. Some people will inevitably need the colouring book version. |
green crayons only, its a TWTD tradition | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 13:45 - Jun 15 with 1624 views | Trequartista |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:18 - Jun 15 by wkj |
No, not entirely. A customs union would essentially resolve a lot of the issues with the NI border whilst retaining most of the perceived 'benefits' of brexit |
As I understood it, the EU would not allow the UK to leave the EU and stay in the customs union? | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 13:48 - Jun 15 with 1618 views | Trequartista |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:20 - Jun 15 by Kievthegreat |
It doesn't. It is based on our membership of the European Court of Human Rights (nothing to do with EU) and there being no border on the island of Ireland. There's nothing in terms of treaty or agreement that makes a border in the Irish sea impossible.
It's a political decision of this government and the DUPes in Northern Ireland to make it an issue, namely by lying to the public and saying it wasn't going to happen, despite signing a treaty to say it was going happen. |
The Irish Sea border doesn’t have a treaty preventing it but it splits the uk by having different rules in NI to GB creating in effect a spilt in the UK? | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 13:56 - Jun 15 with 1596 views | Steve_M |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 13:45 - Jun 15 by Trequartista |
As I understood it, the EU would not allow the UK to leave the EU and stay in the customs union? |
Not true, May ruled it out to appease the ERG-wing of the Tory Party.
The UK never did, and still hasn't, worked out what it wanted from Brexit because it was a mishmash of mutually incompatible desires.
And to the answer the Q in your OP, no it doesn't but it should have highlighted why any change to the constitutional status of Northern Ireland should have been treated with far more care and attention than it was, and is now, by this government. |  |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 14:00 - Jun 15 with 1589 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 11:13 - Jun 15 by Lord_Lucan |
It's a peacock dance |
An unnecessary peacock dance that distracts them from getting on with what they should be doing. Although a cynic would say that they're not interested in doing a good job at governing. |  |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 14:02 - Jun 15 with 1587 views | XYZ |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 13:56 - Jun 15 by Steve_M |
Not true, May ruled it out to appease the ERG-wing of the Tory Party.
The UK never did, and still hasn't, worked out what it wanted from Brexit because it was a mishmash of mutually incompatible desires.
And to the answer the Q in your OP, no it doesn't but it should have highlighted why any change to the constitutional status of Northern Ireland should have been treated with far more care and attention than it was, and is now, by this government. |
There was no mandate for leaving the Single Market or Customs Union.
Parties proposing those courses of action received less than 50% of the votes at the 2017 and 2019 General Elections.
Completely undemocratic. | | | |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 14:07 - Jun 15 with 1580 views | Steve_M |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 14:02 - Jun 15 by XYZ |
There was no mandate for leaving the Single Market or Customs Union.
Parties proposing those courses of action received less than 50% of the votes at the 2017 and 2019 General Elections.
Completely undemocratic. |
Indeed.
And, whilst hindsight, is easy had May proposed membership of both whilst leaving the political institutions as a solution for a country split down the middle by the divisive and unnecessary referendum then the country would probably be in a better place now. | |
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| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 14:39 - Jun 15 with 1534 views | Kievthegreat |
| Did the Belfast Agreement essentially lock us into the EU? on 13:48 - Jun 15 by Trequartista |
The Irish Sea border doesn’t have a treaty preventing it but it splits the uk by having different rules in NI to GB creating in effect a spilt in the UK? |
If we take the starting condition that the GFA has to be maintained, the UK and EU have 2 options. Either a border in the Irish sea because of divergence between the UK and EU (hard brexit) or for the UK to leave the EU, but remain in the customs union (soft brexit).
The government has chosen option 1, knowing full well it meant an internal UK border, but has lied about it extensively from the go to pretend it was never the plan. Now they are playing Chicken with the EU and US threatening to endanger the GFA by removing the protocol. | | | |
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