| Business done for me 23:35 - Jul 15 with 6063 views | itfcsuth |
We have a really well balanced squad, have made acquisitions in areas McKenna wanted to freshen things up in, haven’t over-bloated the squad like in previous years, haven’t put together an unbalanced squad like in previous seasons. Have only paid a fee for Harness, although imagine not highly substantial given his contract situation. Have moved Pigott out, Baggott has a good loan - a brilliant transfer window on the face of it.
Starting XI:
Walton
Donacien - Woolfenden - Edmundson
Burns - Morsy - Ball - Leigh
Chaplin - Harness
Ladapo
Subs: Hladky, KVY, Burgess, Evans, Aluko, TJJ, Edwards, Jackson, Hayes, Ndaba, Penney, Harper, El, Mizouni, Humphreys, |  | | |  |
| Business done for me on 17:21 - Jul 16 with 1464 views | Wakh |
| Business done for me on 06:58 - Jul 16 by Veggie |
Think we still in the hunt for Hirst |
I would imagine teaming up wit harness again may be appealing to Hirst. They seemed to develop a good partnership at Portsmouth |  | | |
| Business done for me on 17:42 - Jul 16 with 1432 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Business done for me on 17:21 - Jul 16 by Wakh |
I would imagine teaming up wit harness again may be appealing to Hirst. They seemed to develop a good partnership at Portsmouth |
Good point. I wonder if a selling point to Harness was that we're trying to get Hirst. And indeed, maybe getting Harness will be a selling point to Hirst! |  |
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| Business done for me on 21:33 - Jul 16 with 1346 views | itfcsuth |
| Business done for me on 23:38 - Jul 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We definitely need another striker. |
4 strikers for one role looks slightly bloated to me.
You end up rotating too much without allowing anyone consistency or a run of games.
I’m happy with Ladapo, Jackson, TJJ.
TJJ has the versatility to operate left of the striker, Harness has the versatility to operate centrally. | | | |
| Business done for me on 21:39 - Jul 16 with 1338 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Business done for me on 21:33 - Jul 16 by itfcsuth |
4 strikers for one role looks slightly bloated to me.
You end up rotating too much without allowing anyone consistency or a run of games.
I’m happy with Ladapo, Jackson, TJJ.
TJJ has the versatility to operate left of the striker, Harness has the versatility to operate centrally. |
It's not the one role though is it? Jackson's more of a wide player, TJJ's young and has little experience. If anything happened to Ladapo you're relying on Jackson (not suited to the loan role) and a youngster. | |
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| Business done for me on 22:38 - Jul 16 with 1316 views | itfcsuth |
| Business done for me on 21:39 - Jul 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not the one role though is it? Jackson's more of a wide player, TJJ's young and has little experience. If anything happened to Ladapo you're relying on Jackson (not suited to the loan role) and a youngster. |
I think it is the one role. Central striker in a 3-4-2-1.
Jackson certainly isn’t a wide man, his best work comes as the no.9, as does Ladapo. TJJ looks to have the versatility to operate off the left off the striker, but has been a no.9 all his career. | | | |
| Business done for me on 22:48 - Jul 16 with 1309 views | jas0999 |
Desperately need a very good striker. Maybe a left back. And Celina | | | |
| Business done for me on 22:57 - Jul 16 with 1304 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Business done for me on 22:38 - Jul 16 by itfcsuth |
I think it is the one role. Central striker in a 3-4-2-1.
Jackson certainly isn’t a wide man, his best work comes as the no.9, as does Ladapo. TJJ looks to have the versatility to operate off the left off the striker, but has been a no.9 all his career. |
Jackson certainly isn't a central striker. We've seen that fail plenty of times. McKenna breathed a new lease of life into him using his pace to get to the line and get the ball across to the front man. TJJ - "All his career"?! He's only 21 and has scored 6 league goals. He might be great but it's a bit early to relying on him to be your main man if Ladapo gets injured or loses form (we don't know if he has any form yet!)
Lot of unknowns/lack of evidence to be relying on any of them to bag the goals in a promotion chasing team. | |
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| Business done for me on 23:09 - Jul 16 with 1301 views | Veggie |
| Business done for me on 22:38 - Jul 16 by itfcsuth |
I think it is the one role. Central striker in a 3-4-2-1.
Jackson certainly isn’t a wide man, his best work comes as the no.9, as does Ladapo. TJJ looks to have the versatility to operate off the left off the striker, but has been a no.9 all his career. |
I think McKenna is looking to alter formations depending on the opposition and state of the game. Think of how Liverpool play with almost 3 strikers at times - that’s a formation I believe McKenna might be looking at with the pacy frontmen we are introducing. [Post edited 16 Jul 2022 23:10]
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| Business done for me on 23:41 - Jul 16 with 1282 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Business done for me on 08:36 - Jul 16 by Kieran_Knows |
LB/LWB
Celina (luxury)
Striker
LB/LWB and striker as must. Celina if we can get a deal done. Then that’ll be our lot. |
The leeds LB were after, Celina and a striker who is a proven goalscorer
Get those three in and it’s been the perfect transfer window*
*On the proviso we don’t randomly sell Fridge, Burns or Morsy |  |
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| Business done for me on 00:05 - Jul 17 with 1267 views | itfcsuth |
| Business done for me on 22:57 - Jul 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jackson certainly isn't a central striker. We've seen that fail plenty of times. McKenna breathed a new lease of life into him using his pace to get to the line and get the ball across to the front man. TJJ - "All his career"?! He's only 21 and has scored 6 league goals. He might be great but it's a bit early to relying on him to be your main man if Ladapo gets injured or loses form (we don't know if he has any form yet!)
Lot of unknowns/lack of evidence to be relying on any of them to bag the goals in a promotion chasing team. |
Jackson’s best work under KM came centrally prior to his injury, I don’t see why you would alter his position to a wide man now.
TJJ has been with Arsenal since a young age, his development has come with him being a central striker at youth level for Arsenal, as well as England youth. He’s a striker, who has the versatility to operate from the left.
Don’t want to see us add another and operate a constant rotation of 4 strikers, without any ever getting a consistent flow of games. | | | |
| Business done for me on 01:07 - Jul 17 with 1218 views | BigCommon |
All squads look heavy when everyone is available.. Once the season is up and running, there will regularly be 4 or 5 out with knocks and suspensions.. Jackson is one sharp sprint away from recurring hamstring, atm, imo... He's going to need half a dozen competitive games, before that feels really safe... Our season unraveled a bit last year, with injuries. Even though, on paper, we had a deep squad.. I say, better to have a couple too many, than a couple too few...3 more ins for me, LWB, AMF, and Striker... I know that sounds greedy. But , lets just get out of this division..
Squads got a good feel to it though. Good mix of young and experienced, with plenty of Captain material out there.. I Like every signing so far, too.. The only thing that can screw us, is a bag load of injuries. So, the more depth the better.. |  | | |
| Business done for me on 02:29 - Jul 17 with 1187 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Business done for me on 00:05 - Jul 17 by itfcsuth |
Jackson’s best work under KM came centrally prior to his injury, I don’t see why you would alter his position to a wide man now.
TJJ has been with Arsenal since a young age, his development has come with him being a central striker at youth level for Arsenal, as well as England youth. He’s a striker, who has the versatility to operate from the left.
Don’t want to see us add another and operate a constant rotation of 4 strikers, without any ever getting a consistent flow of games. |
There are several people in this thread suggesting we need another striker, why are you ignoring them and solely focusing on me?! | |
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| Business done for me on 06:16 - Jul 17 with 1137 views | hype313 |
| Business done for me on 22:57 - Jul 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jackson certainly isn't a central striker. We've seen that fail plenty of times. McKenna breathed a new lease of life into him using his pace to get to the line and get the ball across to the front man. TJJ - "All his career"?! He's only 21 and has scored 6 league goals. He might be great but it's a bit early to relying on him to be your main man if Ladapo gets injured or loses form (we don't know if he has any form yet!)
Lot of unknowns/lack of evidence to be relying on any of them to bag the goals in a promotion chasing team. |
Couldn't agree more.
We need another striker, and I'm in no doubt one will be brought in within the next two weeks. |  |
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| Business done for me on 07:08 - Jul 17 with 1121 views | PioneerBlue |
Given we have already brought a
Striker x 2
CM
LWB
ACM
Im surprised that I still find we still need
Striker
There are no goals when Ladapo is rested
LWB
High energy position with no depth when either Penny/Leigh is rested
ACM
There will always be a space for Santi until the window closes
We lost
Striker x 2 Norwood Bonne
ACM x 1 Santi
CM x 2 Carroll Bakinson
LWB x 1 Thompson
I might be letting Harper or Ndaba or Edwards go if we need squad space or they need more games. I’m not seeing where they will get them with us aiming to compete from game 1. | |
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| Business done for me on 07:33 - Jul 17 with 1111 views | Vic |
| Business done for me on 23:38 - Jul 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We definitely need another striker. |
You may be right.
But Bonne got 12, Norwood 6 and Celina 6, which makes 24
Harness got 10 and Ladapo 15 so we’ve more than made up for those these players.
I’d expect Morsey to get more this season plus the C’s to chip in with more; I’m also expecting more pens and more goals from set pieces so I’m not too fussed. |  |
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| Business done for me on 08:29 - Jul 17 with 1043 views | Stewart27 |
| Business done for me on 07:33 - Jul 17 by Vic |
You may be right.
But Bonne got 12, Norwood 6 and Celina 6, which makes 24
Harness got 10 and Ladapo 15 so we’ve more than made up for those these players.
I’d expect Morsey to get more this season plus the C’s to chip in with more; I’m also expecting more pens and more goals from set pieces so I’m not too fussed. |
Good point.
Norwood’s goal tally for us really was awful. | | | |
| Business done for me on 08:41 - Jul 17 with 1021 views | Churchman |
| Business done for me on 07:33 - Jul 17 by Vic |
You may be right.
But Bonne got 12, Norwood 6 and Celina 6, which makes 24
Harness got 10 and Ladapo 15 so we’ve more than made up for those these players.
I’d expect Morsey to get more this season plus the C’s to chip in with more; I’m also expecting more pens and more goals from set pieces so I’m not too fussed. |
Agreed. I actually think your last paragraph is key. I read somewhere that about 30% of goals come from set pieces. We hardly scored any. It’s a big part of the game that I hope a proper pre season will help with this. |  | | |
| Business done for me on 08:46 - Jul 17 with 1018 views | xrayspecs |
3 more to be added: LB, Celina, FW.
Penney, El Miz and Harper would be sold/loaned to create space. Would like to see Humphreys given a run but he may benefit from a loan move too. | | | |
| Business done for me on 09:40 - Jul 17 with 971 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Business done for me on 07:33 - Jul 17 by Vic |
You may be right.
But Bonne got 12, Norwood 6 and Celina 6, which makes 24
Harness got 10 and Ladapo 15 so we’ve more than made up for those these players.
I’d expect Morsey to get more this season plus the C’s to chip in with more; I’m also expecting more pens and more goals from set pieces so I’m not too fussed. |
Well if people get exactly the same amount as the previous season we should have kept those 3, added the other two, and then we'd get an extra 25 goals! | |
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| Business done for me on 10:47 - Jul 17 with 934 views | TomTheWriter |
LWB and ST for me, that should be it barring any other departures.
No team goes into a season with only 3 senior strikers, particularly when two of them are better suited to either a 2 up-top or as a wide forward. We need one more striker of the Ladapo ilk, someone comfortable at holding the ball up, but also has the instinct of getting in behind.
Jackson wants to be on the shoulder, in to out. John-Jules wants to get on the ball high up the pitch, and run with it. Ladapo has the attributes for a hold up striker and one that can break the line with speed. We need one more like him, because if he goes down with an injury we can't leave Jackson or TJJ up top on their own. Not their game.
LWB is obvious. I don't have the words for the things I see Penney do each game. When I was 7, I was taught that when you cross a ball from deep, it should be in the air and cause trouble. Clearly Penney was taught to slide it on the ground and open us up for counterattacks.
I love Celina, but we don't need him now. Not with Harness in the building with Pompey fans already saying that his best attribute is his technical ability behind the striker. Chaplin is outstanding in my opinion, best finisher at the club. Harness has taken L1 by storm for 3 years, and has real pace to run at people with. Edwards is an unknown quantity, but if he can get finishing/crossing training he'll be the surprise package. Aluko is like a fine wine. Not seen someone toy with Premier League midfields within 4 days like he did against West Ham & Palace. |  |
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| Business done for me on 11:26 - Jul 17 with 903 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Business done for me on 10:47 - Jul 17 by TomTheWriter |
LWB and ST for me, that should be it barring any other departures.
No team goes into a season with only 3 senior strikers, particularly when two of them are better suited to either a 2 up-top or as a wide forward. We need one more striker of the Ladapo ilk, someone comfortable at holding the ball up, but also has the instinct of getting in behind.
Jackson wants to be on the shoulder, in to out. John-Jules wants to get on the ball high up the pitch, and run with it. Ladapo has the attributes for a hold up striker and one that can break the line with speed. We need one more like him, because if he goes down with an injury we can't leave Jackson or TJJ up top on their own. Not their game.
LWB is obvious. I don't have the words for the things I see Penney do each game. When I was 7, I was taught that when you cross a ball from deep, it should be in the air and cause trouble. Clearly Penney was taught to slide it on the ground and open us up for counterattacks.
I love Celina, but we don't need him now. Not with Harness in the building with Pompey fans already saying that his best attribute is his technical ability behind the striker. Chaplin is outstanding in my opinion, best finisher at the club. Harness has taken L1 by storm for 3 years, and has real pace to run at people with. Edwards is an unknown quantity, but if he can get finishing/crossing training he'll be the surprise package. Aluko is like a fine wine. Not seen someone toy with Premier League midfields within 4 days like he did against West Ham & Palace. |
"We need one more like him, because if he goes down with an injury we can't leave Jackson or TJJ up top on their own. Not their game."
Exactly what I've been saying. | |
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| Business done for me on 11:45 - Jul 17 with 884 views | jayessess |
I think we're now in the territory where what we've got is fine, something a good manager could make a promotion-winning team from, but with a couple of obvious places we might want to strengthen - left wing back and centre forward above all.
On left wing back, if Davis is the big target I wonder how long you wait and what the alternative strategy is? With Firpo's injury it seems implausible we get that done early in the window and probably unlikely that we get it done at all. Is Penney rated so poorly by the club that we simply can't risk going into the season with him as the main backup at LWB? If you move on do you take a loan with a view to pursuing Davis at a later date or is it on to a less favoured permanent Target B? Where's Greg Leigh's place in your new pecking order?
Striker seems more straightforward. We've got a lot of forwards with different abilities and I don't think it's a problem if we take the targets we actually want right to the wire if needed. If they don't happen, there's enough there for me. |  |
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| Business done for me on 12:22 - Jul 17 with 851 views | pointofblue |
So, current first and second XI’s:
Walton
Donacien - Woolfenden - Edmundson
Burns - Morsy - Ball - Leigh
Harness - Chaplin
Ladapo
Hladky
Vincent-Young - Burgess - Ndaba - Penney
Aluko - Harper - Evans - Edwards
John-Jules - Jackson
Definitely need something else up top and another number ten who’s flexible, position wise, would be a boost. Leigh and Ball can seemingly cover centre back if required, particularly as part of a three. | |
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| Business done for me on 12:29 - Jul 17 with 847 views | TomTheWriter |
| Business done for me on 11:45 - Jul 17 by jayessess |
I think we're now in the territory where what we've got is fine, something a good manager could make a promotion-winning team from, but with a couple of obvious places we might want to strengthen - left wing back and centre forward above all.
On left wing back, if Davis is the big target I wonder how long you wait and what the alternative strategy is? With Firpo's injury it seems implausible we get that done early in the window and probably unlikely that we get it done at all. Is Penney rated so poorly by the club that we simply can't risk going into the season with him as the main backup at LWB? If you move on do you take a loan with a view to pursuing Davis at a later date or is it on to a less favoured permanent Target B? Where's Greg Leigh's place in your new pecking order?
Striker seems more straightforward. We've got a lot of forwards with different abilities and I don't think it's a problem if we take the targets we actually want right to the wire if needed. If they don't happen, there's enough there for me. |
Wouldn't surprise me if we don't move again for Davis, and instead we take a look at a young loan left wing-back. Allowed five loans a season, obviously don't need to max that out, but we still have room for 4. I think that if Davis doesn't come through, the looking for a premier league youngster that McKenna has a lot of knowledge on could be the play.
Someone with the mentality of 'attack first, defend second'. Someone comfortable with all the attacking side of the game, and can then spend pre-season working on 1vs1 defending, heading, tackling for example.
Do think the striker will take the most time. Clearly not an absolute necessity right now with 3 senior options, but does need adding to eventually. Whereas as LB, if Leigh goes down with a knock, we lose all threat down one side of the pitch which was a key downfall last season. | |
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| Business done for me on 17:58 - Jul 17 with 748 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Business done for me on 12:56 - Jul 16 by ibbleobble |
Isn’t it calmer because of that though? If it hadn’t been for that cull we may still be moving the dead wood on now. |
That’s where Derby have a huge advantage over relegated sides to this league. No players |  | | |
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