| Liz Truss as PM 08:15 - Aug 12 with 3248 views | Dubtractor |
The more I see clips and quotes from her at the hustings events, the more depressed i get about what's going to happen to this country in the hopefully short time she is PM.
I tend to not get too excited by anything political, I can do very little about it in the grand scheme of things and it isn't worth the stress, but I am actually concerned right now.
Oh well, at least it is nearly the weekend. Uppa town etc. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 09:43 - Aug 12 with 899 views | Darth_Koont |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:35 - Aug 12 by GlasgowBlue |
The two leadership candidates dreadful. The Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition seem to have gone missing. Gordon Brown seems to be filling the ideas vacuum.
We could do a lot worse than get Blair, Brown, Major, Ken Clarke and other grown up politicians to get together and sort this mess out. |
The last thing we need is more politicians. We need more actual policy to deal with current underlying issues and long-term trends as well as some immediate action on the cost of living crisis that is coming to a head now after many years.
Going back to the tweakers and laissez-faire actors of a different time for the world isn't the answer. In fact, they bear a fair bit of responsibility for our hollowed-out politics and hollowed-out UK as a result. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 09:51 - Aug 12 with 870 views | giant_stow |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:43 - Aug 12 by Darth_Koont |
The last thing we need is more politicians. We need more actual policy to deal with current underlying issues and long-term trends as well as some immediate action on the cost of living crisis that is coming to a head now after many years.
Going back to the tweakers and laissez-faire actors of a different time for the world isn't the answer. In fact, they bear a fair bit of responsibility for our hollowed-out politics and hollowed-out UK as a result. |
I can see why you'd want to ignore the benefit of experience of good men like Brown, but back in the real world, I'm glad to see him contributing and steering the debate. How much better placed would we be with him as PPM right now? |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 09:56 - Aug 12 with 856 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:08 - Aug 12 by DanTheMan |
It's mental, I think the green levy on average is about £13 per month of the bill.
Given how much they are going up, that's not going to make anywhere near enough of a difference. It's just pandering to the quite frankly evil "Net Zero scrutiny" group. |
Wasn’t the green levy designed to offset the extra coat of generating green energy. The cost to the end user is tied to the cost of electricity generated by gas.
Currently green energy must be considerably cheaper so the levy isn’t justified. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 10:05 - Aug 12 with 832 views | ZXBlue |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:56 - Aug 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Wasn’t the green levy designed to offset the extra coat of generating green energy. The cost to the end user is tied to the cost of electricity generated by gas.
Currently green energy must be considerably cheaper so the levy isn’t justified. |
The levy allows people to continue investing and developing green energy and improving energy efficiency. Look out the window and tell me Truss is sane. |  | | |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:07 - Aug 12 with 829 views | DanTheMan |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:56 - Aug 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Wasn’t the green levy designed to offset the extra coat of generating green energy. The cost to the end user is tied to the cost of electricity generated by gas.
Currently green energy must be considerably cheaper so the levy isn’t justified. |
Not quite. Taken from FullFact which describes it very well.
The term “green levies” is often used to refer to “environmental and social obligation costs”, which are contributions paid by consumers via larger energy suppliers towards various energy policies. UKIP’s post claims that these costs are used to “subsidise wealthy companies to build wind and solar farms.”
While it is true that some of the money from these costs goes towards large-scale renewable energy projects, they are also used to fund a range of other environmental policies, including improvements to the energy efficiency of homes and business and Feed in Tariffs paid to households for surplus energy generated from renewable sources (like solar panels).
So the money isn’t just spent on building wind and solar farms as UKIP claimed.
The costs also pay for the Warm Home Discount, a social policy which offers rebates on energy bills to low-income households. So while green levies fall under the environmental and social obligation costs banner, they don’t make up the entirety of the costs as Mr Halfon suggested. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 10:09 - Aug 12 with 822 views | Guthrum |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:43 - Aug 12 by Darth_Koont |
The last thing we need is more politicians. We need more actual policy to deal with current underlying issues and long-term trends as well as some immediate action on the cost of living crisis that is coming to a head now after many years.
Going back to the tweakers and laissez-faire actors of a different time for the world isn't the answer. In fact, they bear a fair bit of responsibility for our hollowed-out politics and hollowed-out UK as a result. |
The problem is that the likes of Trump and Johnson were seen as the radical break from the past, leaders who would look after the "little man" against the state. That's how they got elected. They turned out to be egotistical populists and their promises lies. It just led to shambles, polarisation and lack of progress.
To actually get somewhere, we need people who trade upon consensus rather than division*. They may be more moderate than seems ideal for the emergency, but the action will be more effective with most pulling in the same direction.
* Any leader who promotes cultural disputes or targets minorities is cynically exploiting division to maintain power and ought to be allowed nowhere near it. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 10:41 - Aug 12 with 769 views | jaykay |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:09 - Aug 12 by Guthrum |
The problem is that the likes of Trump and Johnson were seen as the radical break from the past, leaders who would look after the "little man" against the state. That's how they got elected. They turned out to be egotistical populists and their promises lies. It just led to shambles, polarisation and lack of progress.
To actually get somewhere, we need people who trade upon consensus rather than division*. They may be more moderate than seems ideal for the emergency, but the action will be more effective with most pulling in the same direction.
* Any leader who promotes cultural disputes or targets minorities is cynically exploiting division to maintain power and ought to be allowed nowhere near it. |
you can add hitler after trump and johnson in the way they got into * power.
* note got into power not the aftermath. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 10:44 - Aug 12 with 755 views | Darth_Koont |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:51 - Aug 12 by giant_stow |
I can see why you'd want to ignore the benefit of experience of good men like Brown, but back in the real world, I'm glad to see him contributing and steering the debate. How much better placed would we be with him as PPM right now? |
Eh? This is the real world of 2022 – not some nostalgic jaunt back to an imaginary past.
We need intervention and investment in the UK. That's not these guys' style or indeed politics given they oversaw a period when government intervention and investment became less and less of a government priority.
We need policies that will tackle the very root of the issues highlighted by Enough is Enough:
1. A Real Pay Rise.
2. Slash Energy Bills.
3. End Food Poverty.
4. Decent Homes for All.
5. Tax the Rich.
I'd put your Rolling Stones of Politics fairly low down the list of people that will tackle these. | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 10:51 - Aug 12 with 726 views | giant_stow |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:44 - Aug 12 by Darth_Koont |
Eh? This is the real world of 2022 – not some nostalgic jaunt back to an imaginary past.
We need intervention and investment in the UK. That's not these guys' style or indeed politics given they oversaw a period when government intervention and investment became less and less of a government priority.
We need policies that will tackle the very root of the issues highlighted by Enough is Enough:
1. A Real Pay Rise.
2. Slash Energy Bills.
3. End Food Poverty.
4. Decent Homes for All.
5. Tax the Rich.
I'd put your Rolling Stones of Politics fairly low down the list of people that will tackle these. |
Those are all noble aims, but realistically, do you think any of that's going to happen in time to save even more people from poverty this winter? Nothing short of revolution would get us there in the next few weeks, so what about the possible? Or can you afford to wait for perfect?
Nice 'Rolling stones' line though. | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 10:54 - Aug 12 with 711 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:01 - Aug 12 by ZXBlue |
The mere fact that her solution to current issues is to get rid of the green levy, in themidst of a near unprecedented spell of hot dry weather, is extraordinary. |
I would be happy to be corrected but as far as I am aware there is no such thing as 'The Green Levy'?
I suppose vehicle tax is a form of green levy... |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 10:57 - Aug 12 with 696 views | Darth_Koont |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:09 - Aug 12 by Guthrum |
The problem is that the likes of Trump and Johnson were seen as the radical break from the past, leaders who would look after the "little man" against the state. That's how they got elected. They turned out to be egotistical populists and their promises lies. It just led to shambles, polarisation and lack of progress.
To actually get somewhere, we need people who trade upon consensus rather than division*. They may be more moderate than seems ideal for the emergency, but the action will be more effective with most pulling in the same direction.
* Any leader who promotes cultural disputes or targets minorities is cynically exploiting division to maintain power and ought to be allowed nowhere near it. |
Agree absolutely re: the right-wing populism that has swept unworthy and even dangerous politicians and policies into power.
But we need more than establishment politics too – both to have a positive message and provide some hope to resist the slide into even more loopy and insular culture war bobbins, but also to solve the actual crisis and provide material relief to tens of millions of people.
I think Brown is the best of a bad bunch because he has at least intimated that New Labour could and should have done more in power (talking about regional inequality and infrastructure but that was a start). But we need people with a bit more clarity about where the UK has already been long struggling and better ideas about the changes that are needed. | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 11:00 - Aug 12 with 681 views | Darth_Koont |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:51 - Aug 12 by giant_stow |
Those are all noble aims, but realistically, do you think any of that's going to happen in time to save even more people from poverty this winter? Nothing short of revolution would get us there in the next few weeks, so what about the possible? Or can you afford to wait for perfect?
Nice 'Rolling stones' line though. |
They're not aims, they're critical needs.
How are you going to save people from poverty this winter by not addressing these underlying issues? After all, we weren't saving millions of people from poverty before the crisis either. | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 11:08 - Aug 12 with 658 views | ZXBlue |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:54 - Aug 12 by Tangledupin_Blue |
I would be happy to be corrected but as far as I am aware there is no such thing as 'The Green Levy'?
I suppose vehicle tax is a form of green levy... |
https://fullfact.org/economy/green-levies/
There is the environmental aspect of energy bills and also a levy on some businesses. She wants rid of it. | | | |
| Liz Truss as PM on 11:29 - Aug 12 with 618 views | NthQldITFC |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:09 - Aug 12 by Guthrum |
The problem is that the likes of Trump and Johnson were seen as the radical break from the past, leaders who would look after the "little man" against the state. That's how they got elected. They turned out to be egotistical populists and their promises lies. It just led to shambles, polarisation and lack of progress.
To actually get somewhere, we need people who trade upon consensus rather than division*. They may be more moderate than seems ideal for the emergency, but the action will be more effective with most pulling in the same direction.
* Any leader who promotes cultural disputes or targets minorities is cynically exploiting division to maintain power and ought to be allowed nowhere near it. |
I think perhaps the best way to combat the right wing populists, now that some of their original supporters just might be starting to feel a little cheated, would be a coalition of sensible celebrities doing some serious organised publicity, not necessarily endorsing any particular politician or party.
I think may supporters of Trump, Johnson et al need to be coaxed away from their entrenched positions gently in a way that doesn't challenge their egos too much, something that even responsible politicians find difficult due to tribalism.
As wrong as it might be in a sense, dumbing down the arguments to give these people a chance to adjust their positions without losing face is probably the most effective route. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 11:30 - Aug 12 with 618 views | Guthrum |
| Liz Truss as PM on 10:57 - Aug 12 by Darth_Koont |
Agree absolutely re: the right-wing populism that has swept unworthy and even dangerous politicians and policies into power.
But we need more than establishment politics too – both to have a positive message and provide some hope to resist the slide into even more loopy and insular culture war bobbins, but also to solve the actual crisis and provide material relief to tens of millions of people.
I think Brown is the best of a bad bunch because he has at least intimated that New Labour could and should have done more in power (talking about regional inequality and infrastructure but that was a start). But we need people with a bit more clarity about where the UK has already been long struggling and better ideas about the changes that are needed. |
The difficulty is to get elected while still offering to give nice things to the poor which the average person is having to pay for* (plus wealthy political donors and media barons). That would necessitate instilling a spirit of societal responsibility in the electorate.
To do that you have to be massively charismatic, to emphasise the severity of the situation (which may include being critical of one's own party's previous actions) and to make it seem not like a burden or punishment, but an investment in stability and progress. You'd also have to be extremely well organised, have good, viable ideas and be willing to deliver, perhaps in the face of resistance from even your own allies and sponsors.
A tall order. Churchill managed it during the War by clever media manipulation and assembling a good team. Even then it was touch and go (he was nearly overthrown in 1942). Can't currently see anybody that experienced, self-confident and deft, let alone able to work in a non-partisan fashion.
* That is how it will be portrayed, despite being a warping of the vision. | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 12:17 - Aug 12 with 576 views | Oldsmoker |
| Liz Truss as PM on 09:14 - Aug 12 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I just can’t fathom the member’s enthusiasm for her?
It can’t be her ideology- she doesn’t have one of her own. She’s a spineless “yes” candidate who’ll enact their whims. But ultimately, how do they conceive her to be electable - surely they have one eye on the next GE? Not that the others were remotely inspiring but she’s surely the bottom of the barrel.
I guess on the plus side at least we’ll only have one joke candidate in 2024. |
I don't want to play the race card in case the thread gets pulled but...
... has anyone noticed that Mr Sunak skin is a bit more brown than Ms. Truss.
I'm sure the conservative party members have noticed. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 13:02 - Aug 12 with 541 views | Dubtractor |
Here's today's latest, in throwing around her latest baseless bit of bullsh1t, she adds in her own bit of cultural stereotyping. We are doomed.
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| Liz Truss as PM on 13:05 - Aug 12 with 535 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Liz Truss as PM on 13:02 - Aug 12 by Dubtractor |
Here's today's latest, in throwing around her latest baseless bit of bullsh1t, she adds in her own bit of cultural stereotyping. We are doomed.
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This is particularly divisive and of course a lie.
She is a horrific piece of work, has failed at every department she has led.
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| Liz Truss as PM on 13:30 - Aug 12 with 504 views | DanTheMan |
| Liz Truss as PM on 13:05 - Aug 12 by ElderGrizzly |
This is particularly divisive and of course a lie.
She is a horrific piece of work, has failed at every department she has led.
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"change woke civil service culture that strays into antisemitism"
What does that even mean? | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 13:31 - Aug 12 with 503 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Liz Truss as PM on 13:02 - Aug 12 by Dubtractor |
Here's today's latest, in throwing around her latest baseless bit of bullsh1t, she adds in her own bit of cultural stereotyping. We are doomed.
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The accusations against civil servants is baseless unless she can produce clear evidence for her actuations. Stuff like this minimises actual antisemitism and is very unhelpful.
I don't take issue with her 'Jewish values' spiel. I assume her remarks were made in a speech to a Jewish Conservative group? Had she been addressing an Afro Caribbean group she'd have said the same. Likewise if addressing a Muslim group.
All politicians from all parties would have used to same cliche, tailored to whoever their audience was. |  |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 13:34 - Aug 12 with 495 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Liz Truss as PM on 13:30 - Aug 12 by DanTheMan |
"change woke civil service culture that strays into antisemitism"
What does that even mean? |
It’s political buzzword bingo for the fascists. Nothing more | | | |
| Liz Truss as PM on 13:35 - Aug 12 with 487 views | Darth_Koont |
| Liz Truss as PM on 13:31 - Aug 12 by GlasgowBlue |
The accusations against civil servants is baseless unless she can produce clear evidence for her actuations. Stuff like this minimises actual antisemitism and is very unhelpful.
I don't take issue with her 'Jewish values' spiel. I assume her remarks were made in a speech to a Jewish Conservative group? Had she been addressing an Afro Caribbean group she'd have said the same. Likewise if addressing a Muslim group.
All politicians from all parties would have used to same cliche, tailored to whoever their audience was. |
Truss has gone with your MO. She’ll probably point at some sketchy “evidence” too.
Would be funny if it wasn’t so dishonest and ultimately tragic for real people who need better than that kind of nasty nonsense. | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 13:36 - Aug 12 with 486 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Liz Truss as PM on 12:17 - Aug 12 by Oldsmoker |
I don't want to play the race card in case the thread gets pulled but...
... has anyone noticed that Mr Sunak skin is a bit more brown than Ms. Truss.
I'm sure the conservative party members have noticed. |
That would be the same Conservative members who would have overwhelming voted for Kemi Badenoch had she made the final two? | |
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| Liz Truss as PM on 14:00 - Aug 12 with 470 views | MattinLondon |
| Liz Truss as PM on 12:17 - Aug 12 by Oldsmoker |
I don't want to play the race card in case the thread gets pulled but...
... has anyone noticed that Mr Sunak skin is a bit more brown than Ms. Truss.
I'm sure the conservative party members have noticed. |
Skin colour in this case is irrelevant- decency and honour are not but such virtues are lost on both candidates. Indeed, on most of the present Tory party. |  | | |
| Liz Truss as PM on 14:15 - Aug 12 with 458 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Liz Truss as PM on 13:05 - Aug 12 by ElderGrizzly |
This is particularly divisive and of course a lie.
She is a horrific piece of work, has failed at every department she has led.
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Oh I don't know....if we can just get Rachel Riley on board I'm sure we can make it stick. |  |
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