| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship 13:58 - Sep 2 with 8637 views | nodge_blue |
I think the first 11 is better than what we had in the championship for at least the last ten years. And the 22 man squad is significantly better. I can't think when we had 2 strong candidates for any one position.
Only area where there's a question mark is a proven number 9. But that doesn't mean one of those here won't become a 20 goal a season guy.
This has to be a championship capable squad already? |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:19 - Sep 3 with 830 views | Vegtablue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:10 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't remotely suggested Skuse was a one-season wonder. It's you who's being intellectually dishonest. |
Comprehension isn't you're strong point if that is what you understood from my reply. My assumption was and is that you do not regard him thusly. Hence your assertion and insistence that he arrived past his best, when he did so inside the first half of his career and with his greatest league finish contributions to come, is laughable. No more for me to say on another great winning day. |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:00 - Sep 3 with 789 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:37 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
Exactly that 14/15 side would have had our current team on toast, man for man they were nothing flash , but they were better than the sum of their parts, they were the best team in the championship that season for significant periods. |
We needed help to get in the playoffs on the last day if memory serves?
Second half of the season fell off massively after looking unstoppable by Christmas? A real tale of two seasons wasn’t it. I was at that Boro game and was convinced we were going to win the league but we certainly weren’t one of the best teams from Jan - May
This is an interesting thread I think we have some very good players at this level and quite a few would do well a level up. I didn’t rate some of our long serving players in the Championship under MM that highly, Knudsen for example. [Post edited 3 Sep 2022 18:03]
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:12 - Sep 3 with 777 views | backinbeige |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:43 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
Because I took it off this wikipedia page where those players aren't mentioned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014—15_Ipswich_Town_F.C._season
Knudsen doesn't get referenced till the next season. Which makes sense as he replaced Mings. And lets face it was pretty average at best.
Freddie Sears.....No. He was a bang average striker. Never played higher than us. One ok season.
Bishop....come on....where is he now? he was a youngster then who had a handful of promising games. You might as well compare him to Humphreys.
Mings I referenced.
Looking at Barts wiki page it seems he was here in 2015. id give you him. But Im not sure he's better than Walton.
Bru. No. Come on. You putting him over Aluko or Chaplin or Harness?
And Chris Wood barley played. Loan signing. Probably just not getting picked over Murphy.
What makes me laugh is how people now want to defend players that at the time we largely felt weren't good enough. We limped into the playoffs and then got totally outclassed.
And as for the McCarthy percentage football we played..... |
33 year old Kevin Bru currently plays in the French fourth division (probably as popular as the Isthmian league here, interest in football on the continent really drops off after the second tier) for C’Chartres, who are managed by Jean-Pierre Papin. I found that interesting. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:17 - Sep 3 with 773 views | leitrimblue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:11 - Sep 3 by Stewart27 |
Easily better than the team that came down.
However, the recently formed Colchester UTD team is the worst I’ve ever know in my time.
10 years ago we had Murphy, Berra and McGoldrick.
I’d also say in his absolute prime that Chambers was on par with Edmundson and Woolf. |
I'd say that Chambers from the age of 22-32 was better then any player we have currently in central defence. Though Woolf as the potential to at least match him |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:17 - Sep 3 with 773 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:19 - Sep 3 by Vegtablue |
Comprehension isn't you're strong point if that is what you understood from my reply. My assumption was and is that you do not regard him thusly. Hence your assertion and insistence that he arrived past his best, when he did so inside the first half of his career and with his greatest league finish contributions to come, is laughable. No more for me to say on another great winning day. |
"Presuming this wasn't a fatuous remark about Skuse being a one-season wonder (?!)"
"Skuse was not a one-season wonder."
I repeat, I never suggested he was. I have an English Language degree and I write for a living, so there's nothing wrong with my comprehension. You seem, with your verbose writing style, to be trying to sound more intelligent than you are.
His greatest league finish came at Bristol City. Following that he won Player of The Year And Young Player Of The Year. Then he came to Ipswich where he had some good league finishes and some poor ones. It's much of a muchness to be honest between either club, but the personal accolades he got while at BC. So nobody's wrong or to be laughed at, it's open to interpretation where he played his best football. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:31 - Sep 3 with 762 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:17 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Presuming this wasn't a fatuous remark about Skuse being a one-season wonder (?!)"
"Skuse was not a one-season wonder."
I repeat, I never suggested he was. I have an English Language degree and I write for a living, so there's nothing wrong with my comprehension. You seem, with your verbose writing style, to be trying to sound more intelligent than you are.
His greatest league finish came at Bristol City. Following that he won Player of The Year And Young Player Of The Year. Then he came to Ipswich where he had some good league finishes and some poor ones. It's much of a muchness to be honest between either club, but the personal accolades he got while at BC. So nobody's wrong or to be laughed at, it's open to interpretation where he played his best football. |
Good point well made, but you could have just highlighted the idiocy of someone saying "Comprehension isn't you're strong point" and saved words  | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:34 - Sep 3 with 753 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:31 - Sep 3 by FoghornGleghorn |
Good point well made, but you could have just highlighted the idiocy of someone saying "Comprehension isn't you're strong point" and saved words |
Haha, damn, I missed that! | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:05 - Sep 3 with 712 views | itfcjoe |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:00 - Sep 3 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We needed help to get in the playoffs on the last day if memory serves?
Second half of the season fell off massively after looking unstoppable by Christmas? A real tale of two seasons wasn’t it. I was at that Boro game and was convinced we were going to win the league but we certainly weren’t one of the best teams from Jan - May
This is an interesting thread I think we have some very good players at this level and quite a few would do well a level up. I didn’t rate some of our long serving players in the Championship under MM that highly, Knudsen for example. [Post edited 3 Sep 2022 18:03]
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78 points in a Championship season despite losing on the last day is a serious effort - people forget that |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:22 - Sep 3 with 689 views | pointofblue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:05 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
78 points in a Championship season despite losing on the last day is a serious effort - people forget that |
In 2012/2013, 78 points would have got us to third - just one point off second. 2014/2015 was a bit like League One last year, where teams missed out on the play offs despite acquiring a high points tally; 2016/2017 was similar (80 points needed for 6th).
Saying that, the tail off after being in such a position of strength over the New Year was disappointing. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:43 - Sep 3 with 677 views | Churchman |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:05 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
78 points in a Championship season despite losing on the last day is a serious effort - people forget that |
I don’t forget that we won once in the final five league games. A lucky 2-1 scrape against Forest. Derby surprisingly blew up at home against Reading on the last day, otherwise we would not have made sixth.
We lost nine games in the new year. We went from the top of the table at Christmas to more than 20 points off the top two. We fell a long way short.
78 points with that team certainly was a serious effort. |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 22:58 - Sep 3 with 633 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:05 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
78 points in a Championship season despite losing on the last day is a serious effort - people forget that |
I mean who cares? Each season is own it’s own merit. None of what is said is untrue, we fell completely short second half of the season* and then played it safe against Norwich at home second half, ala Southgate against Italy.
He who dares Rodders.
Maybe Evans should have spent that winter transfer window* [Post edited 3 Sep 2022 23:00]
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 23:01 - Sep 3 with 624 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:43 - Sep 3 by Churchman |
I don’t forget that we won once in the final five league games. A lucky 2-1 scrape against Forest. Derby surprisingly blew up at home against Reading on the last day, otherwise we would not have made sixth.
We lost nine games in the new year. We went from the top of the table at Christmas to more than 20 points off the top two. We fell a long way short.
78 points with that team certainly was a serious effort. |
Lucky to get in after being arguably the best team through December. | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 23:41 - Sep 3 with 595 views | Churchman |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 23:01 - Sep 3 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Lucky to get in after being arguably the best team through December. |
Actually, not lucky. In a 46 game you finish where you deserve. I also know we were a long way short of four of the teams above us.
Yes, December was McCarthy’s high point, closely followed by November, but from Jan 1st the results say it all. | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:51 - Sep 4 with 508 views | Vegtablue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:17 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Presuming this wasn't a fatuous remark about Skuse being a one-season wonder (?!)"
"Skuse was not a one-season wonder."
I repeat, I never suggested he was. I have an English Language degree and I write for a living, so there's nothing wrong with my comprehension. You seem, with your verbose writing style, to be trying to sound more intelligent than you are.
His greatest league finish came at Bristol City. Following that he won Player of The Year And Young Player Of The Year. Then he came to Ipswich where he had some good league finishes and some poor ones. It's much of a muchness to be honest between either club, but the personal accolades he got while at BC. So nobody's wrong or to be laughed at, it's open to interpretation where he played his best football. |
Ha my fault for revisiting this but I've been tempted back in! In respect to "idiocy" at omitting the word 'reading', I'm not sure the poster has full grasp of how it may be used; that wasn't a zinger. In respect to the verbosity accusation, I apologize. I hope to reduce vocab and sentence structure in future comments.
The reason I raised the one-season wonder point is because I feel your opinion falls over without this belief. For Skuse to have arrived at Ipswich past his best, when he had one season at Bristol in which his stats reflected favourably to his first five with us, the logical consequence is that his career began to flourish as a young impact sub at 22 years old and it regressed after the age of 24 - his first fully-fledged season in the Championship and his only for Bristol that wasn't impacted by significant time away from the side. This is why I explored the idea of him being a flash-in-the-pan player and wrote in opposition to it. I didn't attribute those thoughts to you. I was pointing to a lack of coherence in your argument. Your argument relies on it IMO without having seen him first-hand and extensively at both clubs, although I accept you disagree with this logic for reasons you understand yourself.
I used 'presume' to signpost I didn't believe this was your view. I used the interrobang partly to make clear my own opinion, partly to have you reflect on where your own argument naturally leads. I admit it was inflammatory but you earlier spent many words pointing to how a short period of time at Bristol amounted to his best work. I did assume you weren't a Bristol City season ticket holder during this period and were reliant on basic stats to come to your view: that his abilities at Bristol eclipsed those with us. I think I'm safe here and own this myself - I saw many hours of him with us and few of him at Bristol. Yet I was aware of your English language degree and didn't mean to belittle it through my choice of words. I was a little bristled by your comment, which I do think arose from either a comprehension issue or a manoeuvre to not engage with the thrust of the post. | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 13:18 - Sep 4 with 481 views | jaykay |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:44 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
Well Skuse was promoted to the Championship and then played there for 12 consecutive seasons so hasn’t had many opportunities for promotions |
well he must have 12 in the championship. strange you left relegations out |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 13:18 - Sep 4 with 481 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:51 - Sep 4 by Vegtablue |
Ha my fault for revisiting this but I've been tempted back in! In respect to "idiocy" at omitting the word 'reading', I'm not sure the poster has full grasp of how it may be used; that wasn't a zinger. In respect to the verbosity accusation, I apologize. I hope to reduce vocab and sentence structure in future comments.
The reason I raised the one-season wonder point is because I feel your opinion falls over without this belief. For Skuse to have arrived at Ipswich past his best, when he had one season at Bristol in which his stats reflected favourably to his first five with us, the logical consequence is that his career began to flourish as a young impact sub at 22 years old and it regressed after the age of 24 - his first fully-fledged season in the Championship and his only for Bristol that wasn't impacted by significant time away from the side. This is why I explored the idea of him being a flash-in-the-pan player and wrote in opposition to it. I didn't attribute those thoughts to you. I was pointing to a lack of coherence in your argument. Your argument relies on it IMO without having seen him first-hand and extensively at both clubs, although I accept you disagree with this logic for reasons you understand yourself.
I used 'presume' to signpost I didn't believe this was your view. I used the interrobang partly to make clear my own opinion, partly to have you reflect on where your own argument naturally leads. I admit it was inflammatory but you earlier spent many words pointing to how a short period of time at Bristol amounted to his best work. I did assume you weren't a Bristol City season ticket holder during this period and were reliant on basic stats to come to your view: that his abilities at Bristol eclipsed those with us. I think I'm safe here and own this myself - I saw many hours of him with us and few of him at Bristol. Yet I was aware of your English language degree and didn't mean to belittle it through my choice of words. I was a little bristled by your comment, which I do think arose from either a comprehension issue or a manoeuvre to not engage with the thrust of the post. |
Mate, you said "Comprehension isn't you're strong point", it's nothing to do with the word "reading" being missing. If YOU'RE going to come in here on YOUR high horse trying to disparage the intelligence of other posters, try to make sure that YOUR opening sentence doesn't contain the sort of mistake they tend to start ironing out in primary school. [Post edited 4 Sep 2022 13:19]
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:16 - Sep 4 with 428 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:51 - Sep 4 by Vegtablue |
Ha my fault for revisiting this but I've been tempted back in! In respect to "idiocy" at omitting the word 'reading', I'm not sure the poster has full grasp of how it may be used; that wasn't a zinger. In respect to the verbosity accusation, I apologize. I hope to reduce vocab and sentence structure in future comments.
The reason I raised the one-season wonder point is because I feel your opinion falls over without this belief. For Skuse to have arrived at Ipswich past his best, when he had one season at Bristol in which his stats reflected favourably to his first five with us, the logical consequence is that his career began to flourish as a young impact sub at 22 years old and it regressed after the age of 24 - his first fully-fledged season in the Championship and his only for Bristol that wasn't impacted by significant time away from the side. This is why I explored the idea of him being a flash-in-the-pan player and wrote in opposition to it. I didn't attribute those thoughts to you. I was pointing to a lack of coherence in your argument. Your argument relies on it IMO without having seen him first-hand and extensively at both clubs, although I accept you disagree with this logic for reasons you understand yourself.
I used 'presume' to signpost I didn't believe this was your view. I used the interrobang partly to make clear my own opinion, partly to have you reflect on where your own argument naturally leads. I admit it was inflammatory but you earlier spent many words pointing to how a short period of time at Bristol amounted to his best work. I did assume you weren't a Bristol City season ticket holder during this period and were reliant on basic stats to come to your view: that his abilities at Bristol eclipsed those with us. I think I'm safe here and own this myself - I saw many hours of him with us and few of him at Bristol. Yet I was aware of your English language degree and didn't mean to belittle it through my choice of words. I was a little bristled by your comment, which I do think arose from either a comprehension issue or a manoeuvre to not engage with the thrust of the post. |
Christ, what a load of old waffle!
No-one's said "idiocy" about anyone so I've no idea why that's in quotes.
You're still banging on about this one-season-wonder non-point? No, my view doesn't rely on it. He was good for us, I just happen to think his best years were marginally at BC. That doesn't make someone a one season wonder!
And I'm not sure in what world you presuming what I mean DOESN'T mean you believe that to be my view.
All very odd. You realise all this trying to sound clever is giving the opposite impression? | |
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