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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship 13:58 - Sep 2 with 8633 views

I think the first 11 is better than what we had in the championship for at least the last ten years. And the 22 man squad is significantly better. I can't think when we had 2 strong candidates for any one position.

Only area where there's a question mark is a proven number 9. But that doesn't mean one of those here won't become a 20 goal a season guy.

This has to be a championship capable squad already?

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:57 - Sep 2 with 1307 views

The_Flashing_Smile

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:44 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue

While I disagree, I'm not interested in another debate over Cole Skuse. We know he's one of our ultimate marmite players. I would still question anyone who doesn't see how important he was but it's a game of opinions.

My point is simply that it is absurd to cherry pick ~8 recent Lee Evans games and suggest he is better than a player who played 40 games in midfield during a Championship season where we made the playoffs, and has 400+ appearances in the Championship.

The whole thread is a fool's errand anyway because Evans and Skuse are not remotely similar players, I recognize I've taken the bait on something fairly silly here heh.

You can disagree if you want but you'd be wrong. Skuse was demonstrably not at the best of his career whilst with us. That's not me having a go, and I do see how important he was for us. But that wasn't the pinnacle of his career.

And you can't count all Skuse's 400+ appearances in the Championship. The question was about what WE had in the Championship.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:05 - Sep 2 with 1304 views

HalifaxBlue

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:57 - Sep 2 by The_Flashing_Smile
You can disagree if you want but you'd be wrong. Skuse was demonstrably not at the best of his career whilst with us. That's not me having a go, and I do see how important he was for us. But that wasn't the pinnacle of his career. And you can't count all Skuse's 400+ appearances in the Championship. The question was about what WE had in the Championship.

Care to demonstrate it then?

He played 83 games across his first two seasons with us, finishing 9th and 6th, having come from a worse side, for whom he played less regularly in the 3 seasons leading up to his move. Brizzle were relegated in last place the season before he joined us.

I really struggle to see how it is so demonstrably obvious that his peak was before he joined us.

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Hurst or Ross, discounting any other candidates?

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:11 - Sep 2 with 1296 views

DJR

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:58 - Sep 2 by FrimleyBlue
Keogh is better than chambers.

In terms of ability, there's probably little in it as both have played about the same number of seasons in the Championship, and never played in the Premier League. But Chambers played for us in his prime, and Keogh has come to us near retirement.

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:22 - Sep 2 with 1277 views

DJR

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:50 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue

There's a pretty massive recency bias here I think.

Skuse was better than Evans and somewhere around Morsy's level in his prime - different player though. It also makes no sense only consider Evans recent form, that is some serious cherry picking. If you do that, you can also only consider Skuse at his best, and that is better than Evans.

McGoldrick - come on. That being a "maybe" could be used to basically explain what recency bias is. He was an effective prem player. A top player in the Championship and wouldn't have been with us as long if he could stay fit. Unquestionably better than Chaplin at this point.

Also, as mentioned, you've left a few out for some reason? Bart played 35 games to Gerkins 17. Varney only played 4 more games than Jonny Williams that year, but he isn't on your list. Bish, Bru, and Parr all played 30+ games. Freddie's strike rate was nearly a goal every 2 games. Seems an odd list.

Skuse played over 400 games in the Championship, whereas Morsy has played only 146 games, which would suggest they aren't at the same level.

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:57 - Sep 2 with 1238 views

heavyweight

This squad would make a good stab at finishing 15th in the championship.

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 22:35 - Sep 2 with 1199 views

Vegtablue

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:05 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue
Care to demonstrate it then? He played 83 games across his first two seasons with us, finishing 9th and 6th, having come from a worse side, for whom he played less regularly in the 3 seasons leading up to his move. Brizzle were relegated in last place the season before he joined us. I really struggle to see how it is so demonstrably obvious that his peak was before he joined us.

Bit of a sidetrack to the main discussion isn't it aha, as the performances Skuse produced in his first few seasons with us were obviously at a much higher level than the league demands Evans experiences today.

But for sure, he joined us at 27 and had his best league finishers + contributions with us as you say, so I think maybe there's been a forgetting of how many seasons we had him for.

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 23:54 - Sep 2 with 1176 views

itfcjoe

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:44 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue

Lee Evans has started the season well, but his career to date shows he can’t cut it in the Chanpionship as every time he ends up there he doesn’t play - and Ipswich fans have forgotten what Champ footballers look like….Evans looks good. Ow but he’s far too immobile to play the role re does now in the league above - whilst Skuse may not be bale to play cross field passes as well as Evans he knows how to defend and read the game and guess which one Champ managers think is more important!

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 01:41 - Sep 3 with 1122 views

pointofblue

I think trying to say this squad is better than 14/15 is slightly ridiculous. We’re saying that these players would finish top six in the Championship? Some fans haven’t been confident of top two in League One!

But Mick’s last squad is an interesting comparison (as it finished 17/18)
Bialkowski v Walton - close, perhaps just Walton
Gerken v Hladky - just Gerken
Chambers v Donacien - Chambers
Spence v Vincent-Young - Spence
Knudsen v Davis - Knudsen
Kenlock v Leigh - Leigh
Iorfa v Keogh - Keogh
Carter-Vickers v Burgess - Carter-Vickers
Smith v Woolfenden - Smith
Webster v Edmundson - Webster
Connolly v Evans - Evans
Huws v Ball - Ball
Skuse v Morsy - Morsy (by this point in Skuse’s career)
Gleeson v Camara - Camara
Hyam v Humphreys - Hyam
Bishop v Chaplin - Chaplin
Dozzell v Harness - Harness
Celina v Aluko - Celina
Ward v Burns - Burns
Carayol v Edwards - Carayol
Sears v John-Jules - John-Jules
Waghorn v Ladapo - Waghorn
Garner v Ahadme - Garner
McGoldrick v Jackson - McGoldrick

Sure these could be debated but that’s thirteen to 17/18 and eleven to 22/23. So what was a Championship squad with weaknesses would still just come out on top.

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Who would you play at right centre back on Saturday?

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 02:06 - Sep 3 with 1105 views

Kropotkin123

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 01:41 - Sep 3 by pointofblue

I think this this the most objective way of looking at it. For me it is

Bialkowski v Walton - Bialkowski
Gerken v Hladky - Gerken
Chambers v Donacien - Donacien. Chambers in previous seasons
Spence v Vincent-Young - Vincent-Young
Knudsen v Davis - Davis
Kenlock v Leigh - Leigh
Iorfa v Keogh - Keogh
Carter-Vickers v Burgess - Burgess
Smith v Woolfenden - Smith
Webster v Edmundson - Webster
Connolly v Evans - Evans
Huws v Ball - Ball
Skuse v Morsy - Morsy
Gleeson v Camara - Camara (based on performances elsewhere)
Hyam v Humphreys - Hyam
Bishop v Chaplin - Chaplin
Dozzell v Harness - Harness
Celina v Aluko - Celina
Ward v Burns - Burns
Carayol v Edwards - can't decide
Sears v John-Jules - John-Jules
Waghorn v Ladapo - Waghorn
Garner v Ahadme - Garner (Only saw one game from Ahdme)
McGoldrick v Jackson - McGoldrick

So I guess as a squad I prefer the current team. But I think MM would frustrate and get points off this current side.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 08:00 - Sep 3 with 1018 views

BondiBlue

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:52 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue

Were these players better than what we have:

Gerkin in goal.....No.

Mings left back......Yes
Tommy Smith centre back.......No
Chambers right back........No (not as a right back)
Berra.........Yes

Skuse.......No. Not better than Evans on current form or Morsey
Stephen Hunt........No.....he was so slow
McGolrick........maybe. I loved him but he was often injured. And is he better than Chaplin?
Anderson......No

Noel Hunt.....No
Murphy......Yes

Varney.....No

Cant see how you say no chance.

I'd have tommy smith at his best over edmundson, no question. Chambers at right back in the playoff team is better than JD, as much as i love JD. Skuse would be first choice in this team. Chaplin better than mcgoldrick? Don't be silly.

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Which would you accept?

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 08:09 - Sep 3 with 1014 views

textbackup

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 01:41 - Sep 3 by pointofblue

Spence v Vincent-Young - Spence

Hyam v Humphreys - Hyam

^^^^^^^^^^^^ what the fck have i just read^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 08:00 - Sep 3 by BondiBlue
I'd have tommy smith at his best over edmundson, no question. Chambers at right back in the playoff team is better than JD, as much as i love JD. Skuse would be first choice in this team. Chaplin better than mcgoldrick? Don't be silly.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 08:46 - Sep 3 with 992 views

SlippinJimmyJuan

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:14 - Sep 2 by Illinoisblue
It’s really not

What was that good about the team that Mick got to the play offs? He got the most out of a pretty bad bunch when you actually look back on it. Players played out of position, cast offs from other clubs because we couldn't afford anyone else, old pros that were proper blokes. All we really had back then was team spirit and a good, pragmatic manager.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:06 - Sep 3 with 955 views

ElephantintheRoom

Erm no. This is probably the strongest squad and best manager Town have had in division 3 - but is it strong enough to get out of division three - or beat Cambridge?

Time will tell

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:18 - Sep 3 with 950 views

BondiBlue

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 08:09 - Sep 3 by textbackup
Spence v Vincent-Young - Spence Hyam v Humphreys - Hyam ^^^^^^^^^^^^ what the fck have i just read^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The hyam-humphreys comparison is apples and oranges but spence was a pretty effective wing-back for mick's team. Effective in championship beats stylish in league one.

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Which would you accept?

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:45 - Sep 3 with 934 views

Dyland

Nonsense, obvs :)

The squad is as well balanced and strong (for the level) as I can remember though.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:46 - Sep 3 with 932 views

Dyland

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:05 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue
Care to demonstrate it then? He played 83 games across his first two seasons with us, finishing 9th and 6th, having come from a worse side, for whom he played less regularly in the 3 seasons leading up to his move. Brizzle were relegated in last place the season before he joined us. I really struggle to see how it is so demonstrably obvious that his peak was before he joined us.

Yes I'm interested to see Jersey's thinking on this one. He may not be thinking very much at all though, he was probably on the lash and toot all night.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:46 - Sep 3 with 931 views

Dubtractor

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:45 - Sep 3 by Dyland
Nonsense, obvs :) The squad is as well balanced and strong (for the level) as I can remember though.

Ignore the downvote, clumsy fingers, I agree with you.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:47 - Sep 3 with 928 views

Dyland

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:46 - Sep 3 by Dubtractor
Ignore the downvote, clumsy fingers, I agree with you.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:47 - Sep 3 with 923 views

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:49 - Sep 3 with 930 views

Dyland

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:23 - Sep 2 by The_Flashing_Smile
Skuse, whilst with us, was the side-ways safety king. I wouldn't have that Skuse in our side now.

Ironically it was in our relegation season under Lambert when Skuse started pinging it around like Pirlo.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:51 - Sep 3 with 922 views

jayessess

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:18 - Sep 3 by BondiBlue
The hyam-humphreys comparison is apples and oranges but spence was a pretty effective wing-back for mick's team. Effective in championship beats stylish in league one.

Burgess over CCV is the stand out silliness on the list.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:51 - Sep 3 with 919 views

chicoazul

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:57 - Sep 2 by heavyweight
This squad would make a good stab at finishing 15th in the championship.

Exactly right. What Opie seems to overlook is there is a very very very good chance that if - I say again, if - we go up this year there will be wholesale change to the playing staff.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:17 - Sep 3 with 895 views

Sharkey

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:06 - Sep 3 by ElephantintheRoom
Erm no. This is probably the strongest squad and best manager Town have had in division 3 - but is it strong enough to get out of division three - or beat Cambridge? Time will tell

This manager is better than Alf Ramsey? That's a bold claim at this early stage.

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This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:18 - Sep 3 with 895 views

pointofblue

This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 08:09 - Sep 3 by textbackup
Spence v Vincent-Young - Spence Hyam v Humphreys - Hyam ^^^^^^^^^^^^ what the fck have i just read^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Spence was better defensively than KVY at a higher level. KVY better attacking wise, but at a lower level. Spence wasn’t loved on here but KVY has a lot to prove from his promising start.

Hyam was let down by playing in an ultra defensive midfield lacking balance but, considering their experience and opposition they’ve faced, can’t see how anyone can say Humphreys is better than him at the moment. Hopefully he will come on and will be, before we let him go on the relative cheap to Burnley because we won’t meet his demands.

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