| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship 13:58 - Sep 2 with 8632 views | nodge_blue |
I think the first 11 is better than what we had in the championship for at least the last ten years. And the 22 man squad is significantly better. I can't think when we had 2 strong candidates for any one position.
Only area where there's a question mark is a proven number 9. But that doesn't mean one of those here won't become a 20 goal a season guy.
This has to be a championship capable squad already? |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:05 - Sep 2 with 1342 views | Garv |
Easier on the eye? Without question.
Stronger? Probably not. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:07 - Sep 2 with 1343 views | bournemouthblue |
The strike options were better in the Championship, I think that would be hard to argue against
MM sides were tough and resolute, it's easy to forget the likes of Anderson and Hunt could take decent set pieces which seems to have been a weakness for a while now
In terms of pure football, technical ability and even athleticism, the current squad is probably ahead in fairness |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:09 - Sep 2 with 1327 views | jayessess |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:01 - Sep 2 by WeirdFishes |
Chris Wood has to be one of the most underwhelming signings I can remember. |
Don't really remember him playing much. Injured or too similar to Murphy, I assume? |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:19 - Sep 2 with 1309 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:49 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
Again, you can't just apply the eye test and say Aluko looks better than Hunt did, when they're playing in different divisions against a different standard of opposition! |
I can see that Aluko can control the ball in very tight situations, run with it and be incisive. None of which were in Hunts locker when he played for us. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:19 - Sep 2 with 1309 views | Garv |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:07 - Sep 2 by bournemouthblue |
The strike options were better in the Championship, I think that would be hard to argue against
MM sides were tough and resolute, it's easy to forget the likes of Anderson and Hunt could take decent set pieces which seems to have been a weakness for a while now
In terms of pure football, technical ability and even athleticism, the current squad is probably ahead in fairness |
I don't think their set pieces were anything special, but they invariably had one of Smith, Berra, Murphy, or Chambers on the end of them, which helped a lot. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:31 - Sep 2 with 1282 views | jaykay |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:42 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
Course it isn't - these players are playing in League 1 mostly in the prime of their career because they haven't cut it in the Championship when they've been there with a couple of exceptions.
Even when you look at someone like Sam Morsy he's only once finished in the top half of the Championship in his career and he's 30 - Cole Skuse did that 6 times across his time at Bristol City and here.
Championship footballers have to be very good athletes and very good footballers - we saw what happened when Paul Hirst thought you could just buy athletes at that level, it doesn't work. |
how many promotions has morsy won and relegations and goals scored compared to skuse |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:36 - Sep 2 with 1261 views | NthQldITFC |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:52 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
Were these players better than what we have:
Gerkin in goal.....No.
Mings left back......Yes
Tommy Smith centre back.......No
Chambers right back........No (not as a right back)
Berra.........Yes
Skuse.......No. Not better than Evans on current form or Morsey
Stephen Hunt........No.....he was so slow
McGolrick........maybe. I loved him but he was often injured. And is he better than Chaplin?
Anderson......No
Noel Hunt.....No
Murphy......Yes
Varney.....No
Cant see how you say no chance. |
McGoldrick is a very definite 'yes', but I think I'd be inclined to agree with you on the rest. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:44 - Sep 2 with 1238 views | itfcjoe |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:31 - Sep 2 by jaykay |
how many promotions has morsy won and relegations and goals scored compared to skuse |
Well Skuse was promoted to the Championship and then played there for 12 consecutive seasons so hasn’t had many opportunities for promotions |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:52 - Sep 2 with 1217 views | jayessess |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:19 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
I can see that Aluko can control the ball in very tight situations, run with it and be incisive. None of which were in Hunts locker when he played for us. |
I can control the ball in very tight situations, run with it and be incisive, provided the opposition is bad enough. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:52 - Sep 2 with 1216 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:44 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
Well Skuse was promoted to the Championship and then played there for 12 consecutive seasons so hasn’t had many opportunities for promotions |
I think he had 12 lol !!! | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:57 - Sep 2 with 1209 views | jayessess |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:36 - Sep 2 by NthQldITFC |
McGoldrick is a very definite 'yes', but I think I'd be inclined to agree with you on the rest. |
Is Janoi Donacien, who at 28 has a grand total of 10 appearances in one of the worst teams the Championship has ever seen, really better than peak Luke Chambers (400+ Championship appearances, several top 10 finishes, a L1 promotion to his name)? Come on now. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:58 - Sep 2 with 1200 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:57 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
Is Janoi Donacien, who at 28 has a grand total of 10 appearances in one of the worst teams the Championship has ever seen, really better than peak Luke Chambers (400+ Championship appearances, several top 10 finishes, a L1 promotion to his name)? Come on now. |
Keogh is better than chambers. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:00 - Sep 2 with 1201 views | jayessess |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:58 - Sep 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Keogh is better than chambers. |
Is Keogh at 36 better than Chambers was at 28/29? | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:02 - Sep 2 with 1198 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:58 - Sep 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Keogh is better than chambers. |
That’s very much dependent on which version of each of them you’re referring to. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:05 - Sep 2 with 1184 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:00 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
Is Keogh at 36 better than Chambers was at 28/29? |
Ooo tough one. I'm gonna say yes.
But in part mainly coz chambers as a rb, never imo remained solid when he went back to cb.
But that's just my opinion. [Post edited 2 Sep 2022 17:09]
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:06 - Sep 2 with 1194 views | cbower |
That's a pretty bold statement. Bart, Berra, Mings, Smith, Chambers, Skuse, Murphy, McGoldrick, Bishop in 2014/15 followed by Webster, Waghorn, Garner, Celina, Lawrence, Fraser a few years later. The current squad is looking good but we are in League 1. Squads in the first 3 full seasons of MM were routinely competing in the top half of the Championship. Even his final season we scraped into top half above Leeds and Norwich iirc. Yes, the football was often a liitle uninspiring (some was very good too) but it was a league higher. I am sure if we go up this season there will need to be 4 or 5 quality additions to ensure we get a top half finish, stabilise and then press on. We would, were that to happen, be back to were we were 8 years ago and probably be quite optimistic about the future too. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:18 - Sep 2 with 1170 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:42 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
Course it isn't - these players are playing in League 1 mostly in the prime of their career because they haven't cut it in the Championship when they've been there with a couple of exceptions.
Even when you look at someone like Sam Morsy he's only once finished in the top half of the Championship in his career and he's 30 - Cole Skuse did that 6 times across his time at Bristol City and here.
Championship footballers have to be very good athletes and very good footballers - we saw what happened when Paul Hirst thought you could just buy athletes at that level, it doesn't work. |
Beause they haven't cut it in the Championship when they've been there
You said it was because we offered better wages than championship clubs... infact you make that point at all times including your podcast last night about the wages we offer...
Walton isn't at ipswich because he couldn't cut it at champ level
Same with Chaplin, Ball,morsy,Aluko,
It's too early to compare squads as you can't compare different leagues imo. Burns for example, will be become a better player in the championship as our wingback in comparison to chambers at fullback? | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 18:39 - Sep 2 with 1090 views | DJR |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:13 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
I think people are getting a bit carried away. This is a very good squad for league one.
Hopefully next season we can answer the Championship question but way too early to be making claims like that. |
Agreed. I think only Aluko and Keogh have spent most of their career in the Championship and they have come here when at the end of their careers, whereas all our players in the Championship were at that level, with the exception of 2018-19 when we went downmarket. Even Morsy has spent the majority of his career below the Championship, and came here because he wasn't wanted by a Championship team. [Post edited 2 Sep 2022 20:00]
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 19:42 - Sep 2 with 1039 views | HighgateBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:31 - Sep 2 by jaykay |
how many promotions has morsy won and relegations and goals scored compared to skuse |
Leif Davis has had more promotions than Mings, but I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that Mings should be the thinking man's choice.
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:23 - Sep 2 with 1006 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:42 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
Course it isn't - these players are playing in League 1 mostly in the prime of their career because they haven't cut it in the Championship when they've been there with a couple of exceptions.
Even when you look at someone like Sam Morsy he's only once finished in the top half of the Championship in his career and he's 30 - Cole Skuse did that 6 times across his time at Bristol City and here.
Championship footballers have to be very good athletes and very good footballers - we saw what happened when Paul Hirst thought you could just buy athletes at that level, it doesn't work. |
Skuse, whilst with us, was the side-ways safety king. I wouldn't have that Skuse in our side now. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:25 - Sep 2 with 1005 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:50 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue |
There's a pretty massive recency bias here I think.
Skuse was better than Evans and somewhere around Morsy's level in his prime - different player though. It also makes no sense only consider Evans recent form, that is some serious cherry picking. If you do that, you can also only consider Skuse at his best, and that is better than Evans.
McGoldrick - come on. That being a "maybe" could be used to basically explain what recency bias is. He was an effective prem player. A top player in the Championship and wouldn't have been with us as long if he could stay fit. Unquestionably better than Chaplin at this point.
Also, as mentioned, you've left a few out for some reason? Bart played 35 games to Gerkins 17. Varney only played 4 more games than Jonny Williams that year, but he isn't on your list. Bish, Bru, and Parr all played 30+ games. Freddie's strike rate was nearly a goal every 2 games. Seems an odd list. |
Skuse wasn't with us at his best. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:37 - Sep 2 with 982 views | LeoMuff |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:21 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
I think the trouble here is that you're comparing apples and oranges. That squad had a lot of players who looked like lower league journeymen in the context of trying to compete in the Championship. The eye test works differently when the opposition are better!
But they were at that level because they were all too good for League One at that point in their careers.
Of the peak age players in our current squad who has a career to date that remotely compares favourably with most of the players on this list?
Like, you're sniffily talking about how Stephen Hunt, but Hunt played 150 games in the Premier League and was a regular for a decent Ireland team and he was only 32 that season. [Post edited 2 Sep 2022 15:39]
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Exactly that 14/15 side would have had our current team on toast, man for man they were nothing flash , but they were better than the sum of their parts, they were the best team in the championship that season for significant periods. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:44 - Sep 2 with 962 views | HalifaxBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:25 - Sep 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Skuse wasn't with us at his best. |
While I disagree, I'm not interested in another debate over Cole Skuse. We know he's one of our ultimate marmite players. I would still question anyone who doesn't see how important he was but it's a game of opinions.
My point is simply that it is absurd to cherry pick ~8 recent Lee Evans games and suggest he is better than a player who played 40 games in midfield during a Championship season where we made the playoffs, and has 400+ appearances in the Championship.
The whole thread is a fool's errand anyway because Evans and Skuse are not remotely similar players, I recognize I've taken the bait on something fairly silly here heh. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:47 - Sep 2 with 951 views | textbackup |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:00 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
Is Keogh at 36 better than Chambers was at 28/29? |
bet he'd lose his man less [Post edited 3 Sep 2022 8:06]
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 20:51 - Sep 2 with 945 views | HalifaxBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:58 - Sep 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Keogh is better than chambers. |
Better at what though?
The role Keogh will play for us won't remotely resemble the one Chambers did in 2014. In fact there is not a role in the whole team that resembles what Chambers did.
Same can be said for pretty well anyone in these teams tbh. It's what makes this entire comparison absurd. | |
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