| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship 13:58 - Sep 2 with 8634 views | nodge_blue |
I think the first 11 is better than what we had in the championship for at least the last ten years. And the 22 man squad is significantly better. I can't think when we had 2 strong candidates for any one position.
Only area where there's a question mark is a proven number 9. But that doesn't mean one of those here won't become a 20 goal a season guy.
This has to be a championship capable squad already? |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:28 - Sep 3 with 750 views | pointofblue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:51 - Sep 3 by chicoazul |
Exactly right. What Opie seems to overlook is there is a very very very good chance that if - I say again, if - we go up this year there will be wholesale change to the playing staff. |
Sorry for more lists. Just splitting who I think, at this stage, who we’d keep and who we’d let go if we went up.
Keep: Walton, Donacien, Woolfenden, Edmundson, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Ball, Davis, Leigh, Camara, Chaplin, Harness, Ladapo, Ahadme
Depart: Hladky, Vincent-Young, Keogh (? - maybe become player/coach), Burgess, Ndaba (loan), Edwards, Humphreys (loan), El Mizouni (loan), Penney, Harper, Aluko, John-Jules, Jackson, Pigott
But some of the first team ‘keeps’ would drop down to being back ups. It’s a long season, though, and a surge or loss of form and/or injury could change things quickly. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:30 - Sep 3 with 732 views | textbackup |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:18 - Sep 3 by BondiBlue |
The hyam-humphreys comparison is apples and oranges but spence was a pretty effective wing-back for mick's team. Effective in championship beats stylish in league one. |
Spence was fcking dreadful, and the fact he's not got a team since leaving speaks volumes |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:31 - Sep 3 with 726 views | chicoazul |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:28 - Sep 3 by pointofblue |
Sorry for more lists. Just splitting who I think, at this stage, who we’d keep and who we’d let go if we went up.
Keep: Walton, Donacien, Woolfenden, Edmundson, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Ball, Davis, Leigh, Camara, Chaplin, Harness, Ladapo, Ahadme
Depart: Hladky, Vincent-Young, Keogh (? - maybe become player/coach), Burgess, Ndaba (loan), Edwards, Humphreys (loan), El Mizouni (loan), Penney, Harper, Aluko, John-Jules, Jackson, Pigott
But some of the first team ‘keeps’ would drop down to being back ups. It’s a long season, though, and a surge or loss of form and/or injury could change things quickly. |
I’d be amazed if we kept that many. Maybe 8 at most. It’s be another summer of huge churn. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:39 - Sep 3 with 715 views | pointofblue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:31 - Sep 3 by chicoazul |
I’d be amazed if we kept that many. Maybe 8 at most. It’s be another summer of huge churn. |
I’d argue Walton, Burns, Morsy and Chaplin are definite keepers, as is Harness at this early stage, as long as a club with seemingly better prospects don’t come in for them.
Camara, Ahadme and Ladapo have signed long term deals. I don’t think we’d do better than our current back line as back ups and the same could be said for Evans and Ball. Leigh could go but Davis appears to be a long term project. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:47 - Sep 3 with 707 views | chicoazul |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:30 - Sep 3 by textbackup |
Spence was fcking dreadful, and the fact he's not got a team since leaving speaks volumes |
I think he’s moved to the states. Worried Zac Efron was going to nick his wife if he didn’t stay close to her. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:51 - Sep 3 with 706 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 21:05 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue |
Care to demonstrate it then?
He played 83 games across his first two seasons with us, finishing 9th and 6th, having come from a worse side, for whom he played less regularly in the 3 seasons leading up to his move. Brizzle were relegated in last place the season before he joined us.
I really struggle to see how it is so demonstrably obvious that his peak was before he joined us. |
Coming from a worse side? In Skuse's debut season in the Championship they finished fourth, five points off an automatic promotion place. He wasn't a regular then but was tipped to be their young player of the year (it eventually went to Nicky Maynard).
The following year he was a regular other than 2 months out with injury. They finished 1 place below us, so hardly a "worse side" there either.
The season after that he made a career-high 43 appearances in the league, started every match bar one after September, and was voted the club's player of the season AND young player of the year. They finished 5 places above us. I'd argue this was his pinnacle.
2 points and 2 places below us the next year. Skuse by now was getting quite a few injuries and was out for 2 months, 1.5 months, 2 months. This was why he "he played less regularly in the 3 seasons leading up to his move."
He joined us and the highest he finished with Ipswich was 6th. It was downhill from there, eventually vice-captaining us to relegation, and was then captain in our first, unsuccessful, year in League 1. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:52 - Sep 3 with 705 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 09:46 - Sep 3 by Dyland |
Yes I'm interested to see Jersey's thinking on this one. He may not be thinking very much at all though, he was probably on the lash and toot all night. |
Well feel free to read my workings now at your leisure ^^^^ | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:59 - Sep 3 with 690 views | CityBlue |
I wholeheartedly agree. I watched the playoff semi final against Norwich on sky the other night (glutton for punishment) and we look a far better team than we did then. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:12 - Sep 3 with 672 views | pointofblue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:59 - Sep 3 by CityBlue |
I wholeheartedly agree. I watched the playoff semi final against Norwich on sky the other night (glutton for punishment) and we look a far better team than we did then. |
We looked worse against a side which has been supported by endless parachute payments than sides who have been promoted from League Two and/or are run on a shoestring? | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:23 - Sep 3 with 660 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:12 - Sep 3 by pointofblue |
We looked worse against a side which has been supported by endless parachute payments than sides who have been promoted from League Two and/or are run on a shoestring? |
You're rather cherrypicking there. But regardless, I think he's talking more about how the team functions as a cohesive unit.
Either way it's all academic and a bit early for the comparisons given we can only play what is in front of us. Time will tell if this squad is better. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:26 - Sep 3 with 658 views | Mullet |
The only thing that's not laughable is you final question. We should win this league and failure to go up would be disastrous.
But the replies you've dragged out from some are astounding. Just goes to show that bias over any kind of sense is all too common on here. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:27 - Sep 3 with 654 views | Vegtablue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:51 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Coming from a worse side? In Skuse's debut season in the Championship they finished fourth, five points off an automatic promotion place. He wasn't a regular then but was tipped to be their young player of the year (it eventually went to Nicky Maynard).
The following year he was a regular other than 2 months out with injury. They finished 1 place below us, so hardly a "worse side" there either.
The season after that he made a career-high 43 appearances in the league, started every match bar one after September, and was voted the club's player of the season AND young player of the year. They finished 5 places above us. I'd argue this was his pinnacle.
2 points and 2 places below us the next year. Skuse by now was getting quite a few injuries and was out for 2 months, 1.5 months, 2 months. This was why he "he played less regularly in the 3 seasons leading up to his move."
He joined us and the highest he finished with Ipswich was 6th. It was downhill from there, eventually vice-captaining us to relegation, and was then captain in our first, unsuccessful, year in League 1. |
That's an interesting take (in the season they finished 4th and he "wasn't a regular", for the sake of accuracy Skuse started that season 5 times).
In the 10 subsequent years when Skuse was a Championship regular: he spent 5 years with us and played 39+ games in every season, he spent 5 years with Bristol and managed this feat once. The career-high 43 you highlight was matched in his first season with us. His best league finishes as a regular starter were with us and of course he experienced relegation with Bristol City prior to his move.
A player of the season award shouldn't be sniffed at but it isn't exactly equivalent to a league award. It also came when Bristol City finished 10th - his best Bristol finish as a regular. Comparisons to our league finishes at the time serves no purpose in the discussion and neither does chronicling our fall from grace.
It isn't a judgement on the totality of Skuse's contributions here. It is whether at 27 Skuse's best days were demonstrably behind him. Suggesting so is in my humble opinion a nonsense and I'd wager he would agree with me  | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:49 - Sep 3 with 627 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:27 - Sep 3 by Vegtablue |
That's an interesting take (in the season they finished 4th and he "wasn't a regular", for the sake of accuracy Skuse started that season 5 times).
In the 10 subsequent years when Skuse was a Championship regular: he spent 5 years with us and played 39+ games in every season, he spent 5 years with Bristol and managed this feat once. The career-high 43 you highlight was matched in his first season with us. His best league finishes as a regular starter were with us and of course he experienced relegation with Bristol City prior to his move.
A player of the season award shouldn't be sniffed at but it isn't exactly equivalent to a league award. It also came when Bristol City finished 10th - his best Bristol finish as a regular. Comparisons to our league finishes at the time serves no purpose in the discussion and neither does chronicling our fall from grace.
It isn't a judgement on the totality of Skuse's contributions here. It is whether at 27 Skuse's best days were demonstrably behind him. Suggesting so is in my humble opinion a nonsense and I'd wager he would agree with me |
As I said, he wasn't a regular, but he played enough to be a contender for young player of the year. As a young player it's always likely they'll be a sub option at first rather than a starter. But then people always cherrypick stats to suit their argument - you stating only 5 starts makes it look worse, me stating he was a contender for young player of the year reverses that. Regardless of starts or sub appearances, he obviously did enough to be in the running for the award.
What league award? He didn't get any league awards with us or Brizzle. He didn't win player of the year with us either, so that's why I'd argue that's his best season.
A lot of him not being a regular for Brizzle was due to injury not ability or form.
"Comparisons to our league finishes at the time serves no purpose in the discussion and neither does chronicling our fall from grace." Why? They're just as valid as you using Brizzle's league finishes. Skuse was an integral part of the worst Ipswich team ever, that can't be overlooked either. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:52 - Sep 3 with 628 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:26 - Sep 3 by Mullet |
The only thing that's not laughable is you final question. We should win this league and failure to go up would be disastrous.
But the replies you've dragged out from some are astounding. Just goes to show that bias over any kind of sense is all too common on here. |
Here comes Captain Rude to save the day. You still can't just have a civil conversation with people on here can you? This isn't an important thread, there are no prizes being dished out, it's just a harmless chat comparing old and new teams. Chill the feck out for once in your life. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:56 - Sep 3 with 619 views | OldFart71 |
I, I, I, Hancock is better than Yashin and Crawford is better than Eusebio and Forest are in for a thrashing. | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:59 - Sep 3 with 616 views | Churchman |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 08:46 - Sep 3 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
What was that good about the team that Mick got to the play offs? He got the most out of a pretty bad bunch when you actually look back on it. Players played out of position, cast offs from other clubs because we couldn't afford anyone else, old pros that were proper blokes. All we really had back then was team spirit and a good, pragmatic manager. |
SJJs post is how I see it.
Add in a bit of quality from McGoldrick when he was fit and the season of a lifetime from Murphy with 27 goals and scraping 6th was the outcome. With that painfully limited team, it was a real achievement.
Mick was a pragmatic manager who got results, but I didn’t enjoy watching his teams. For those that say do you prefer L1, of course not. But I don’t believe it’s either or. If, and it’s a big if, KMs team gets promoted, I don’t think they’ll need to many changes to compete well in the Championship. |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:11 - Sep 3 with 604 views | Stewart27 |
Easily better than the team that came down.
However, the recently formed Colchester UTD team is the worst I’ve ever know in my time.
10 years ago we had Murphy, Berra and McGoldrick.
I’d also say in his absolute prime that Chambers was on par with Edmundson and Woolf. | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:46 - Sep 3 with 568 views | itfcjoe |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:11 - Sep 3 by Stewart27 |
Easily better than the team that came down.
However, the recently formed Colchester UTD team is the worst I’ve ever know in my time.
10 years ago we had Murphy, Berra and McGoldrick.
I’d also say in his absolute prime that Chambers was on par with Edmundson and Woolf. |
When Chambers was the age Woolf is now he was captaining Nottingham Forest to 3rd place in the Championship, having been promoted from League 2 with Northampton and League 1 with Forest (possibly as captain) previously
I love Woolf as a player, and think he has potential to get into PL as a player if he gets a bit of luck along the way - but he’s got miles to go to do what Chambers did in his career….to suggest L1 Woolfie is as good as prime Chambers is just not right - let’s see how Woolfie deals with the quality of attackers in the Championship first - the step up is massive |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 13:13 - Sep 3 with 542 views | Vegtablue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:49 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
As I said, he wasn't a regular, but he played enough to be a contender for young player of the year. As a young player it's always likely they'll be a sub option at first rather than a starter. But then people always cherrypick stats to suit their argument - you stating only 5 starts makes it look worse, me stating he was a contender for young player of the year reverses that. Regardless of starts or sub appearances, he obviously did enough to be in the running for the award.
What league award? He didn't get any league awards with us or Brizzle. He didn't win player of the year with us either, so that's why I'd argue that's his best season.
A lot of him not being a regular for Brizzle was due to injury not ability or form.
"Comparisons to our league finishes at the time serves no purpose in the discussion and neither does chronicling our fall from grace." Why? They're just as valid as you using Brizzle's league finishes. Skuse was an integral part of the worst Ipswich team ever, that can't be overlooked either. |
I'm not convinced you are being intellectually sincere now! This topic has centered around our best squad over the past 10 years, with 2014-15 the consensus choice for comparison. You commented that Skuse didn't join us at his best. Presuming this wasn't a fatuous remark about Skuse being a one-season wonder (?!), it is plain he had one season at Bristol City in which his stats challenge those he achieved with us in his mid-late 20s.
The league award point snuck past you but it was to draw attention to the absence of outside recognition for his Bristol City accomplishments. Stating he was a contender for young player of the year moreover does not reverse the reality that he was a bit-part player in Bristol's one flying season. Opposing sentences do not always provide equal weight.
Of course we shouldn't diminish Skuse's Bristol City status as an academy graduate come good and he obviously played some of his best years there, but he obviously also played some of his best here; suggesting otherwise is to deny reality. Whether being an integral part and fan favourite of a 10th finish or integral part of a 6th finish represents the true pinnacle of one's career is open to interpretation and Skuse may argue his PPP (personal purple period) was in a less exceptional league campaign altogether. A player's best season and a player's point of decline are obviously different conversations however, much like with any person in any profession. Skuse was not a one-season wonder.
The point you made is Skuse arrived past his best. This is contrary to evidence and the final paragraph again is irrelevant to topic. | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 13:45 - Sep 3 with 507 views | pete81 |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 13:13 - Sep 3 by Vegtablue |
I'm not convinced you are being intellectually sincere now! This topic has centered around our best squad over the past 10 years, with 2014-15 the consensus choice for comparison. You commented that Skuse didn't join us at his best. Presuming this wasn't a fatuous remark about Skuse being a one-season wonder (?!), it is plain he had one season at Bristol City in which his stats challenge those he achieved with us in his mid-late 20s.
The league award point snuck past you but it was to draw attention to the absence of outside recognition for his Bristol City accomplishments. Stating he was a contender for young player of the year moreover does not reverse the reality that he was a bit-part player in Bristol's one flying season. Opposing sentences do not always provide equal weight.
Of course we shouldn't diminish Skuse's Bristol City status as an academy graduate come good and he obviously played some of his best years there, but he obviously also played some of his best here; suggesting otherwise is to deny reality. Whether being an integral part and fan favourite of a 10th finish or integral part of a 6th finish represents the true pinnacle of one's career is open to interpretation and Skuse may argue his PPP (personal purple period) was in a less exceptional league campaign altogether. A player's best season and a player's point of decline are obviously different conversations however, much like with any person in any profession. Skuse was not a one-season wonder.
The point you made is Skuse arrived past his best. This is contrary to evidence and the final paragraph again is irrelevant to topic. |
I'd have Morsey over Skuse.
Morsey brings so much more.he can score goals. He dictates the way we play,can dictate the ref and pretty much dictate how the team we are playing against play.
Never witnessed skuse take a game by the scruff of the neck and would go missing in big games..always poor v Norwich.
Overall Mick's team that finished 6th in the championship would beat the current team 2 or 3 - 1.
Comparing squad is difficult, we have a better squad to play a 3.4.2.1. For Mckenna, that team were better at 4.4.2 for Mick. |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 13:56 - Sep 3 with 492 views | BondiBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 11:23 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're rather cherrypicking there. But regardless, I think he's talking more about how the team functions as a cohesive unit.
Either way it's all academic and a bit early for the comparisons given we can only play what is in front of us. Time will tell if this squad is better. |
The problem with this thread is that we're debating individual vs. individual (and not even agreeing on which season the individual is to be judged on). Only fair comparison is 11 v 11 against the same quality of opposition. When this team gets to the championship playoffs, we can compare. Until then, mick's playoff team wins, even if we didn't like the style. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:02 - Sep 3 with 479 views | Stewart27 |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 12:46 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
When Chambers was the age Woolf is now he was captaining Nottingham Forest to 3rd place in the Championship, having been promoted from League 2 with Northampton and League 1 with Forest (possibly as captain) previously
I love Woolf as a player, and think he has potential to get into PL as a player if he gets a bit of luck along the way - but he’s got miles to go to do what Chambers did in his career….to suggest L1 Woolfie is as good as prime Chambers is just not right - let’s see how Woolfie deals with the quality of attackers in the Championship first - the step up is massive |
Sorry I was referring to Chambers’ Ipswich prime | | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:35 - Sep 3 with 445 views | Dyland |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 10:52 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well feel free to read my workings now at your leisure ^^^^ |
Yeh I see it, and fair play buh. You're wrong though :) |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:10 - Sep 3 with 407 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 13:13 - Sep 3 by Vegtablue |
I'm not convinced you are being intellectually sincere now! This topic has centered around our best squad over the past 10 years, with 2014-15 the consensus choice for comparison. You commented that Skuse didn't join us at his best. Presuming this wasn't a fatuous remark about Skuse being a one-season wonder (?!), it is plain he had one season at Bristol City in which his stats challenge those he achieved with us in his mid-late 20s.
The league award point snuck past you but it was to draw attention to the absence of outside recognition for his Bristol City accomplishments. Stating he was a contender for young player of the year moreover does not reverse the reality that he was a bit-part player in Bristol's one flying season. Opposing sentences do not always provide equal weight.
Of course we shouldn't diminish Skuse's Bristol City status as an academy graduate come good and he obviously played some of his best years there, but he obviously also played some of his best here; suggesting otherwise is to deny reality. Whether being an integral part and fan favourite of a 10th finish or integral part of a 6th finish represents the true pinnacle of one's career is open to interpretation and Skuse may argue his PPP (personal purple period) was in a less exceptional league campaign altogether. A player's best season and a player's point of decline are obviously different conversations however, much like with any person in any profession. Skuse was not a one-season wonder.
The point you made is Skuse arrived past his best. This is contrary to evidence and the final paragraph again is irrelevant to topic. |
I haven't remotely suggested Skuse was a one-season wonder. It's you who's being intellectually dishonest. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 17:11 - Sep 3 with 405 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:35 - Sep 3 by Dyland |
Yeh I see it, and fair play buh. You're wrong though :) |
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