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If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:39 - Sep 3 by Ryorry
I note that two of the people who (perfectly justifiably) moan most about despicable tories/tory policies & creeping fascism, are two who say they won't be bothering to exercise their democratic right to vote in a tactical manner to GTTO, or work collaboratively to support options like Progressive Alliance.
Voting Labour or LibDem always has a positive use even in constituencies with huge tory majorities - the stats/figures will always be there, so that come the next elections, people wanting to vote anti-tory will be able to see which way the trend is going & have more heart that if they just stick to their beliefs, a sufficient number of others may well join them to push an alternative candidate over the line.
This is particularly important right now when there's a huge anti-Tory feeling in the UK, and some previously unthinkable overturns of Tory majorities could happen. In my constituency (Skipton & Ripon) it was very heartening in 2017 to see 16,439 other people joining me in voting Labour! (J. Smith, Con, won with 36,425).
What happened to ignoring me. Off you cry to Phil.
I made a valid point as to why in my post. But discussing points isn’t your strong area. IT’S THE POSTERS SAYING THEY WON’T VOTE AT FAULT. Nothing to do with the Brexit bunch like your mate Glassers who got us here.
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:41 - Sep 3 by monytowbray
What happened to ignoring me. Off you cry to Phil.
I made a valid point as to why in my post. But discussing points isn’t your strong area. IT’S THE POSTERS SAYING THEY WON’T VOTE AT FAULT. Nothing to do with the Brexit bunch like your mate Glassers who got us here.
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I’ve just gotten used to it by now. And file it under Background Noise.
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If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:47 - Sep 3 with 824 views
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 10:15 - Sep 3 by monytowbray
Fair representation is the answer IMO. FPTP is like playing a season of football where some teams have a wider goal to shoot at.
People on the XR thread yesterday said protesters should get involved in politics and run instead. Why would anyone want to do that in the current climate? Seems like more of a waste of time than not voting at all
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I'm not going to debate with you any further.
The not voting at all argument is for the ignorant, ignorant of our history and the cause for a different system.
UTT
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If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:54 - Sep 3 with 777 views
Labour. Not that I find Starmer particularly inspiring and I would like him to make the odd decision in less than three weeks but they are the only non Tory option who have a realistic chance.
I wish we had PR. I wish we had better options. I wish Labour would be more radical. I wish they would adopt most of Corbyn's manifesto.
I would love change but in the short term Labout are the non Tory open goal and we have to tap the ball home. Lots of us voted Labour under Corbyn despite having major concerns over him personally. Spoiling your ballot paper might give a moment of satisfaction but it won't change anything. Surely voting tactically or helping to condemn the Tories to a massive defeat is the better option?
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:47 - Sep 3 by SonOfSpock
Continually voting for Labour or Tory is part of the problem not the solution.
Look forward to day smaller parties get more of a foothold and fptp is abolished.
Exactly, the “lesser of two evils” voters really can’t see how they disenfranchise people who want actual policies and change. And when a party did engage those voters and gain new members, they joined the press in a big old smear campaign.
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:02 - Sep 3 by monytowbray
Exactly, the “lesser of two evils” voters really can’t see how they disenfranchise people who want actual policies and change. And when a party did engage those voters and gain new members, they joined the press in a big old smear campaign.
TWTD remembers.
Are you actively planning a revolution?
How will you help change anything?
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If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:10 - Sep 3 with 711 views
I'd vote labour for no other reason than to get the Tories out. I don't support a lot of their views but the Tories are literally destroying this country.
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:11 - Sep 3 by J2BLUE
The revolution bit is as silly as those refusing to back any progress because it's not as much as they want.
He doesn't need to be planning a revolution to be pissed off and wanting change.
How will he get change if he rejects the ballot box?
I get the sentiment and, assuming one hasn't given up in despair, I wondered what the plan was - protest? - revolution? - all tenuous and long-term projects.
The best chance of improving most people's lives in the UK is to get the tories out and to then hold a hot poker to Labour's feet.
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If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:42 - Sep 3 with 589 views
There really is no need for nuclear power if the correct infrastructure is in place, nor fossil fuels either.
I've been banging the wavepower drum for more years than I care to remember, and whilst there certainly are technical problems to overcome, I'm certain it could have been in place & contributing around 20% to the national grid by now had there been political will to invest in it, rather than the tories (primarily, some Labour/LD MPs may also have shares) always subsidising/supporting fossil fuels because of their vested interests in those & associated industries.
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:20 - Sep 3 by XYZ
How will he get change if he rejects the ballot box?
I get the sentiment and, assuming one hasn't given up in despair, I wondered what the plan was - protest? - revolution? - all tenuous and long-term projects.
The best chance of improving most people's lives in the UK is to get the tories out and to then hold a hot poker to Labour's feet.
They won’t though, already hard enough making Starmer stand for anything.
The short sightedness of WE NEED TO SWITCH BLUE TO RED and vise versa won’t be worth much when there’s no food as the planet can’t grow it anymore.
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:59 - Sep 3 by J2BLUE
Labour. Not that I find Starmer particularly inspiring and I would like him to make the odd decision in less than three weeks but they are the only non Tory option who have a realistic chance.
I wish we had PR. I wish we had better options. I wish Labour would be more radical. I wish they would adopt most of Corbyn's manifesto.
I would love change but in the short term Labout are the non Tory open goal and we have to tap the ball home. Lots of us voted Labour under Corbyn despite having major concerns over him personally. Spoiling your ballot paper might give a moment of satisfaction but it won't change anything. Surely voting tactically or helping to condemn the Tories to a massive defeat is the better option?
Uppied for a well-argued and heart-felt point. And I agree with the principle.
It’s the practice I have a problem with. As I’ve heard similar arguments re: compromise for 30-very odd years or more. But we’ve just slid right. And slid right to this point.
I don’t think Labour’s pitch of managing the whole valueless system better (while flexing even further right in power) is an alternative worth entertaining. It’s not even remotely enough for people in the UK.
Labour, in its current left flank of the establishment guise, is entirely part of the problem.
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If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:55 - Sep 3 with 517 views
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:39 - Sep 3 by Ryorry
I note that two of the people who (perfectly justifiably) moan most about despicable tories/tory policies & creeping fascism, are two who say they won't be bothering to exercise their democratic right to vote in a tactical manner to GTTO, or work collaboratively to support options like Progressive Alliance.
Voting Labour or LibDem always has a positive use even in constituencies with huge tory majorities - the stats/figures will always be there, so that come the next elections, people wanting to vote anti-tory will be able to see which way the trend is going & have more heart that if they just stick to their beliefs, a sufficient number of others may well join them to push an alternative candidate over the line.
This is particularly important right now when there's a huge anti-Tory feeling in the UK, and some previously unthinkable overturns of Tory majorities could happen. In my constituency (Skipton & Ripon) it was very heartening in 2017 to see 16,439 other people joining me in voting Labour! (J. Smith, Con, won with 36,425).
Urgh, 20,000 majority. Is it a traditionally Tory seat or a Brexit phenomenon? I suspect the next GE will be a bit of a return to normal as Brexit has been effectively defused as an issue by Labour (rightly or wrongly, we’ll have to wait and see how that tack pans out).
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 12:31 - Sep 3 by GlasgowBlue
it's really not difficult is it. all meaningful politics is about building a broad enough coalition. only sixth formers mistake politics for shouting about why you're right and everyone else is an idiot.
if labour doesn't get a very large number of 2019 tory voters to support it, then the tories get re-elected. a fact which is beyond any dispute. some people on here claim not to want the tories, but they are too obsessed with proving why they're right to do anything practical about it.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 14:10 - Sep 3 with 563 views
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 14:00 - Sep 3 by lowhouseblue
it's really not difficult is it. all meaningful politics is about building a broad enough coalition. only sixth formers mistake politics for shouting about why you're right and everyone else is an idiot.
if labour doesn't get a very large number of 2019 tory voters to support it, then the tories get re-elected. a fact which is beyond any dispute. some people on here claim not to want the tories, but they are too obsessed with proving why they're right to do anything practical about it.
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:58 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue
Urgh, 20,000 majority. Is it a traditionally Tory seat or a Brexit phenomenon? I suspect the next GE will be a bit of a return to normal as Brexit has been effectively defused as an issue by Labour (rightly or wrongly, we’ll have to wait and see how that tack pans out).
Traditional Tory. Suffice to say that one of my neighbours down t'road is a NHS physio who's a closet tory - you should have seen my jaw drop when after several years bumping into each other on dogwalk type chats, she told me how she votes
If there were a general election tomorrow, for whom would you vote? on 13:45 - Sep 3 by monytowbray
They won’t though, already hard enough making Starmer stand for anything.
The short sightedness of WE NEED TO SWITCH BLUE TO RED and vise versa won’t be worth much when there’s no food as the planet can’t grow it anymore.
Starmer's "playing politics" - he doesn't win many admirers amongst those of us who are ideological by nature but then he might get his hands on the levers of power.
"They won't though" - that really is a load of tosh. They won't do everything you might like them to do. They will make the schools better, they will make the NHS better, they will make the criminal justice system better, they will be "greener" than the alternative. These things will make a good number of people's lives "better" than they otherwise would be.
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