| We’re just not as good as we think we are 14:16 - Sep 25 with 3147 views | Bobsthename |
Plain to see i never thought we would beat Plymouth away to be honest we struggle against most top 6 sides away from home. |  | | |  |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:22 - Sep 25 with 2815 views | Garv |
As stupid as it might sound, we don't enough quality at the top end of the pitch. |  |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:24 - Sep 25 with 2777 views | blueprint |
Oh do pack it in. You’re history is a catalogue of negative posts. [Post edited 25 Sep 2022 14:26]
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:24 - Sep 25 with 2773 views | belgablue |
I think thats right, but it's very annoying seeing as get into winning positions and not have the sh*thousery in us to at least close one of them out. Very worrying. |  |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:32 - Sep 25 with 2678 views | Kropotkin123 |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:22 - Sep 25 by Garv |
As stupid as it might sound, we don't enough quality at the top end of the pitch. |
You're right, that does sound stupid. We've scored in every league game. Seven of those more than once. Our forwards have scored 13 of our 19 goals.
And in our last 2 games our defence hasn't been good enough, conceding 4, and letting the situation (being in the lead at a rival) get the better of them mentally [Post edited 25 Sep 2022 14:33]
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:33 - Sep 25 with 2644 views | pointofblue |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:32 - Sep 25 by Kropotkin123 |
You're right, that does sound stupid. We've scored in every league game. Seven of those more than once. Our forwards have scored 13 of our 19 goals.
And in our last 2 games our defence hasn't been good enough, conceding 4, and letting the situation (being in the lead at a rival) get the better of them mentally [Post edited 25 Sep 2022 14:33]
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Agreed. We're slipping back to the Royle days where the attack has to score three to have a chance of a win.
Keogh has to come in for Edmundson next week. | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:34 - Sep 25 with 2597 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:32 - Sep 25 by Kropotkin123 |
You're right, that does sound stupid. We've scored in every league game. Seven of those more than once. Our forwards have scored 13 of our 19 goals.
And in our last 2 games our defence hasn't been good enough, conceding 4, and letting the situation (being in the lead at a rival) get the better of them mentally [Post edited 25 Sep 2022 14:33]
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Need a real leader at the back. Someone like Keogh. |  |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:34 - Sep 25 with 2567 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:33 - Sep 25 by pointofblue |
Agreed. We're slipping back to the Royle days where the attack has to score three to have a chance of a win.
Keogh has to come in for Edmundson next week. |
Not only Keogh.
Perhaps Ball needs his chance too. |  | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:42 - Sep 25 with 2456 views | Garv |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:32 - Sep 25 by Kropotkin123 |
You're right, that does sound stupid. We've scored in every league game. Seven of those more than once. Our forwards have scored 13 of our 19 goals.
And in our last 2 games our defence hasn't been good enough, conceding 4, and letting the situation (being in the lead at a rival) get the better of them mentally [Post edited 25 Sep 2022 14:33]
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My point is that we don't score too many goals goals of a really good quality, it's not the quantity.
We're unlikely to pass through the better teams, as seen today and last week. We could do with being able to score goals from range and with individual quality, like Plymouth did twice to win the game. | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:46 - Sep 25 with 2414 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:42 - Sep 25 by Garv |
My point is that we don't score too many goals goals of a really good quality, it's not the quantity.
We're unlikely to pass through the better teams, as seen today and last week. We could do with being able to score goals from range and with individual quality, like Plymouth did twice to win the game. |
That makes even less sense.
Why is it better to score good goals than lots of goals? Besides, I think we have scored a lot of very good goals this season too. It was hard to choose the goal of the month for August that was then put forward to the league competition for goal of the month too.
We also passed through Plymouth several times today for chances for Ladapo, Jackson and others. | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:50 - Sep 25 with 2349 views | Ryorry |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:34 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Need a real leader at the back. Someone like Keogh. |
Agree, tho as I said in a couple of other threads, the guy I think we're missing most is Aluko & his wise old head coming on to shore us up when we're facing the 60 minute-> onslaught from oppositions trying to get back in it. |  |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:51 - Sep 25 with 2316 views | billlm |
Correct, to wasteful and arrogant in front of goal, can't beat a top six side so will be a struggle going up, |  | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:53 - Sep 25 with 2279 views | DJR |
I think we are very good. It's just that there are also some very good other teams. The issue I have, when we play the better teams, is that Morsy and Evans can be overwhelmed. Perhaps time for Ball to replace Evans in such games. |  | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:58 - Sep 25 with 2240 views | billlm |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:53 - Sep 25 by DJR |
I think we are very good. It's just that there are also some very good other teams. The issue I have, when we play the better teams, is that Morsy and Evans can be overwhelmed. Perhaps time for Ball to replace Evans in such games. |
Might be better when we're up to sacrifice a attacking player, put ball on in the middle to grab hold of the midfield and squeeze the opposition there, | | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:01 - Sep 25 with 2189 views | OldFart71 |
Thought we looked weak on Donaciens side of the pitch. Crossfield balls left him one on one several times and they knocked it into someone running off the ball and created chances. Thought McKenna made a mistake taking Ladapo off as well as Walton was still trying to hit our forward line and there wasn't anyone to challenge. Both their strikes were excellent, but how many times did Jackson get free and fire a ball into the penalty area with no one following up. I am like many who feel we need another striker. But more of a Marcus Stewart or David Johnson (either of) type rather than some big lump. We have that with Ladapo. | | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:09 - Sep 25 with 2118 views | Garv |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:46 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That makes even less sense.
Why is it better to score good goals than lots of goals? Besides, I think we have scored a lot of very good goals this season too. It was hard to choose the goal of the month for August that was then put forward to the league competition for goal of the month too.
We also passed through Plymouth several times today for chances for Ladapo, Jackson and others. |
Because every now and then you'll need a bit of standout quality to win a game a big game, you can't always rely on pattern of play. It just makes me think it might be our downfall when we look back on the season and games against our rivals.
We might have got through them, but for whatever reason we didn't make those chances count. They also created chances they couldn't convert, but instead went and scored two from 20-25 yards.
We have scored a couple like that, Chaplin and Harness come to mind. I'm just not sure we'll do it enough over the course of the season. | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:12 - Sep 25 with 2090 views | Kropotkin123 |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 14:42 - Sep 25 by Garv |
My point is that we don't score too many goals goals of a really good quality, it's not the quantity.
We're unlikely to pass through the better teams, as seen today and last week. We could do with being able to score goals from range and with individual quality, like Plymouth did twice to win the game. |
- We've scored 3 goals in the last 2 games.
- We've scored 6 goals in 4 games against the top 6 sides.
- We've had 59 shot against the 4 top 6 sides
- Let's not forget we had a legitimate 7th goal taken away from us against Barnsley.
What we are doing in offensively against the top side has been working. We've also looked good for the majority of the time in defence. But against Barnsley, Sheffield Wed and Plymouth, our defence has looking panicked and vulnerable when we've been in front in the latter stages of the game.
- We've conceded 8 goals in 10 league games.
- 7 of those goals have come against the 4 top 6 sides.
This is what we need to address if we want to give ourselves the best chance of finishing in the top 2 | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:18 - Sep 25 with 2017 views | Kropotkin123 |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:09 - Sep 25 by Garv |
Because every now and then you'll need a bit of standout quality to win a game a big game, you can't always rely on pattern of play. It just makes me think it might be our downfall when we look back on the season and games against our rivals.
We might have got through them, but for whatever reason we didn't make those chances count. They also created chances they couldn't convert, but instead went and scored two from 20-25 yards.
We have scored a couple like that, Chaplin and Harness come to mind. I'm just not sure we'll do it enough over the course of the season. |
No, what we need to do is see out games defensively (as a team).
1-0 v Barnsley: Conceded
2-1 v Barnsley: Conceded
2-0 v Sheffield Wed: Conceded 2
1-0 v Plymouth: Conceded 2
6 goals against 4 top 6 sides should be good enough for more than a 3 point return. We have done our job offensively, not defensively. | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:33 - Sep 25 with 1924 views | Swansea_Blue |
You mean we’re not actually the greatest team in football the world has ever seen?
Nah, I’m not having that. You’re talking ballacks. |  |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:55 - Sep 25 with 1825 views | TheBoyBlue |
Could easily have gone either way. If the ref was as bad as most refs at this level are. If Walton's header was just an inch lower. We are clearly one of the best teams in this division, but so are Plymouth. | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 17:00 - Sep 25 with 1646 views | Garv |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:18 - Sep 25 by Kropotkin123 |
No, what we need to do is see out games defensively (as a team).
1-0 v Barnsley: Conceded
2-1 v Barnsley: Conceded
2-0 v Sheffield Wed: Conceded 2
1-0 v Plymouth: Conceded 2
6 goals against 4 top 6 sides should be good enough for more than a 3 point return. We have done our job offensively, not defensively. |
You're right, although you could argue there was a relatively large hint of fortune about all three goals in the last eight days. I just think our rivals look more of a goal threat than us, basically. | |
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 17:06 - Sep 25 with 1558 views | bluejacko |
Doesn’t really matter how good we are IF we keep giving the ball away in dangerous areas we will always concede. | | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 18:30 - Sep 25 with 1368 views | Sharkey |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 15:01 - Sep 25 by OldFart71 |
Thought we looked weak on Donaciens side of the pitch. Crossfield balls left him one on one several times and they knocked it into someone running off the ball and created chances. Thought McKenna made a mistake taking Ladapo off as well as Walton was still trying to hit our forward line and there wasn't anyone to challenge. Both their strikes were excellent, but how many times did Jackson get free and fire a ball into the penalty area with no one following up. I am like many who feel we need another striker. But more of a Marcus Stewart or David Johnson (either of) type rather than some big lump. We have that with Ladapo. |
We're talking long ago and a different pedigree pf player, but wasn¨t David Jonson the first a striker of what you call the 'big lump' variety? As I say, we're talking a high calibre of 'lump' here, as Mariner was bought to replace him, and for Liverpool Johnson was often competing with Toshack for a place up front alongside Keegan. I'd have thought David Johnson 1 and David Johnson 2 were examples of the two different types you're talking about.
But it's a genuine question, - I was young, and I may be misremembering simply because he looked so imperious. |  | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 18:37 - Sep 25 with 1343 views | braveblue |
We outplayed Wednesday 7 days ago so not really true. | | | |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 19:01 - Sep 25 with 1289 views | DJR |
| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 18:30 - Sep 25 by Sharkey |
We're talking long ago and a different pedigree pf player, but wasn¨t David Jonson the first a striker of what you call the 'big lump' variety? As I say, we're talking a high calibre of 'lump' here, as Mariner was bought to replace him, and for Liverpool Johnson was often competing with Toshack for a place up front alongside Keegan. I'd have thought David Johnson 1 and David Johnson 2 were examples of the two different types you're talking about.
But it's a genuine question, - I was young, and I may be misremembering simply because he looked so imperious. |
I wouldn't describe Johnson the first as a big lump. He was pretty pacy from what I can recall.
EDIT: Wikipedia describes him as a "battling, play-linking forward forging a productive partnership with Trevor Whymark", so maybe he had a bit of a lump about him. [Post edited 25 Sep 2022 19:14]
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| We’re just not as good as we think we are on 19:14 - Sep 25 with 1237 views | jas0999 |
We are a good team, strong squad.
But we do appear to lack that all important striker. Lapado did well today and scored, but he also missed a number of chances. | | | |
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