| Plymouth are just a bit better than us 21:30 - Oct 31 with 10424 views | Garv |
Aren't they? [Post edited 1 Nov 2022 0:23]
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:15 - Nov 1 with 1917 views | Metal_Hacker |
Watched most of the second half and for me they play through the lines with more conviction and at much more pace.Whittaker is quality and so is (I hate to say it) their left back.Having a decent keeper as we know also helps.Their strikers are pacey and shift defenders around
Overall I don't think there's much in it between the two of us BUT I still believe we've we more to come when we actually click and find some consistency
A striker hitting a rich vain of form with pace bought in January and we'll push them aside |  |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:19 - Nov 1 with 1906 views | textbackup |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:15 - Nov 1 by Metal_Hacker |
Watched most of the second half and for me they play through the lines with more conviction and at much more pace.Whittaker is quality and so is (I hate to say it) their left back.Having a decent keeper as we know also helps.Their strikers are pacey and shift defenders around
Overall I don't think there's much in it between the two of us BUT I still believe we've we more to come when we actually click and find some consistency
A striker hitting a rich vain of form with pace bought in January and we'll push them aside |
Camara is going to be the one for us i think, having him to come in is a hell of a boost |  |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:22 - Nov 1 with 1877 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:19 - Nov 1 by textbackup |
Camara is going to be the one for us i think, having him to come in is a hell of a boost |
Couldn't agree more - watching Plymouth last night and you could imagine Camara playing in that system.Pacey and tricky between the lines with drive.
Yeah I think he'll be a real asset and will offer the positive dimension we're needing | |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:46 - Nov 1 with 1833 views | hype313 |
They remind me of Lincoln from a few years ago, essentially it's all built on sand, take out the two loanees and they will struggle. |  |
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| Plymouth are a just a bit better than us on 08:50 - Nov 1 with 1811 views | NthQldITFC |
| Plymouth are a just a bit better than us on 07:10 - Nov 1 by tractordownsouth |
I said on here in the summer we should have signed Hardie |
It would take big offer to a quality striker away from one of our rivals in January, but it would be worth making that offer. Very much worth it. We've done it before, and look how well it worked then.
I think I read your post in the summer about Hardie, and of all the realistic options I saw at that time, he stood out head and shoulders to me as the one we should have gone for. Stamina, intelligence, awkward to dislodge from the ball, a bit of pace and most importantly looks to have a robust self-confidence.
Having said all that, I think Freddie is starting to show a lot of those attributes too, and might have a greater upside, but I'd really like another option here, and Hardie is ideal as far as I can see. |  |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:52 - Nov 1 with 1809 views | itfcjoe |
I think overall we are better but that they are definitely getting more of the breaks than us at the moment.
Our success seems much more sustainable, with them a bit streakier (And a better fixture list when you look at home vs away), but they are building up so many points that they are going to be on for a huge tally even if they revert back to average.
They currently have 41 points after 17 games.
Even if they just have 'top 6 form' from here on in - ie 75 points over a season - they will still end up with 88 points! |  |
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| Plymouth are a just a bit better than us on 08:56 - Nov 1 with 1795 views | LeoMuff |
| Plymouth are a just a bit better than us on 08:50 - Nov 1 by NthQldITFC |
It would take big offer to a quality striker away from one of our rivals in January, but it would be worth making that offer. Very much worth it. We've done it before, and look how well it worked then.
I think I read your post in the summer about Hardie, and of all the realistic options I saw at that time, he stood out head and shoulders to me as the one we should have gone for. Stamina, intelligence, awkward to dislodge from the ball, a bit of pace and most importantly looks to have a robust self-confidence.
Having said all that, I think Freddie is starting to show a lot of those attributes too, and might have a greater upside, but I'd really like another option here, and Hardie is ideal as far as I can see. |
Surely worth a bid even to disrupt them, we know it wouldn’t be successful, no way they would sell to us, but it might just turn his head enough to put him off his game.
However if I was them I would be worried about championship interest in January, that really would be disruptive and quite possibly successful as I would imagine they don’t pay anywhere near the wages. |  |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:00 - Nov 1 with 1782 views | itfcjoe |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 08:46 - Nov 1 by hype313 |
They remind me of Lincoln from a few years ago, essentially it's all built on sand, take out the two loanees and they will struggle. |
They've got 5 key players there on loan - Azaz, Whittaker, Mumba, Lonwijk and Cosgraove; plus an excellent keeper in Cooper.
What are the odds on all 6 of those still being there come February 1st? | |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:03 - Nov 1 with 1761 views | hype313 |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:00 - Nov 1 by itfcjoe |
They've got 5 key players there on loan - Azaz, Whittaker, Mumba, Lonwijk and Cosgraove; plus an excellent keeper in Cooper.
What are the odds on all 6 of those still being there come February 1st? |
Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if Emery wants to have a look at Azaz, and Surely Swansea will want Whittaker back, and surely Norwich will want Mumba back, he's been electric.
The caveat to all of that is if they all signed season long loans.... | |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:05 - Nov 1 with 1752 views | itfcjoe |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:03 - Nov 1 by hype313 |
Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if Emery wants to have a look at Azaz, and Surely Swansea will want Whittaker back, and surely Norwich will want Mumba back, he's been electric.
The caveat to all of that is if they all signed season long loans.... |
I bet they all have a break point - look at the issues we had with Bonne last summer, or look at MK who were flying and lost 3-4 players back to their parent clubs for them to be placed elsewhere | |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:17 - Nov 1 with 1710 views | usm |
Yep, at the moment they are. But they are in a purple patch, which will come to an end at some point and it is how they react after that which will dictate where they finish. Cant see them dropping off far, but they wont keep up their current form all season.
We just need to worry about ourselves. |  |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:21 - Nov 1 with 1701 views | textbackup |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:00 - Nov 1 by itfcjoe |
They've got 5 key players there on loan - Azaz, Whittaker, Mumba, Lonwijk and Cosgraove; plus an excellent keeper in Cooper.
What are the odds on all 6 of those still being there come February 1st? |
knowing our luck the lot of them will stay put | |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:30 - Nov 1 with 1687 views | clive_baker |
They've started very well and they're certainly a good side, we saw that when we played them, but it's unlikely that the early pace setters maintain this sort of form throughout a season. What they've done is given themselves an excellent base from the first 1/3 of the season off which to build a promotion push, but they'll certainly have their own rocky patches as the season goes on. I think Sheffield Wednesday are as big a concern as Plymouth, despite the 7 points between the 2. They've got good squad depth and a level of consistency and resolve about them that will keep them there or thereabouts for the season. It's going to be an interesting race and I think we've got as good a chance as anyone. |  |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 10:57 - Nov 1 with 1571 views | LeoMuff |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 09:30 - Nov 1 by clive_baker |
They've started very well and they're certainly a good side, we saw that when we played them, but it's unlikely that the early pace setters maintain this sort of form throughout a season. What they've done is given themselves an excellent base from the first 1/3 of the season off which to build a promotion push, but they'll certainly have their own rocky patches as the season goes on. I think Sheffield Wednesday are as big a concern as Plymouth, despite the 7 points between the 2. They've got good squad depth and a level of consistency and resolve about them that will keep them there or thereabouts for the season. It's going to be an interesting race and I think we've got as good a chance as anyone. |
I thought Sheff Weds looked better than Plymouth when we played them. | |
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| Plymouth are a just a bit better than us on 10:57 - Nov 1 with 1571 views | LeoMuff |
| Plymouth are a just a bit better than us on 00:14 - Nov 1 by Garv |
I hope you aren't referring to when Chaplin tried to buy a free kick. I really hope. |
He was clearly fouled. | |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 11:07 - Nov 1 with 1564 views | Vegtablue |
Plymouth were hard to judge last season weren't they, spectacular start and spectacular collapse. This season's performance perhaps rewrites the narrative of that failure for many of us: less a team eventually exposed; more a team without the depth to stay the course.
The only noteworthy loss of the summer was Camara to us. Very good player. One most argyle supporters were disappointed by but didn't consider disastrous. Their additions of course have been mesmeric by league one standards. I don't think we can confidently say this is a team built on loan players. They're enhanced by them and their best players are probably them as well, but underneath is a league one outfit capable of 36 points in 17 games (thanks goes to other thread for last season's table).
Hopefully it continues to be a great contest that falls in our favour at the last, though I'd be very happy with a 1-2 in either order (or a walkover let's be honest 😅). |  | | |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 12:40 - Nov 1 with 1471 views | jayessess |
Depends how you look at it.
According to the league table, they certainly are. More points, better than us.
According to most underlying stats (xG, shots taken/allowed, shots on target taken/allowed), they're not.
I certainly don't think it's tenable to suggest their general play is better than ours, they definitively aren't creating more or better chances than us, nor keeping their opponents away from goal more consistently.
But it's definitely tenable to suggest that they're being more efficient at both ends. Cooper's making more and better saves than Walton is, they're scoring lots of great goals from slightly fewer openings. That might be simple variance, it might just be some key players are just better. |  |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 13:06 - Nov 1 with 1421 views | PioneerBlue |
Yes.
*Im not sure why everyone keeps going on about Plymouth loans. All the time the team is winning the loaning player is getting what they need and the loaning club is getting what they need, an increasingly valuable player. I get it if there is a player coming to the end of a contract that could lead to the loaning club recalling.
It’s wishful thinking when the focus needs to be ITFC! | |
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| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 13:19 - Nov 1 with 1372 views | jayessess |
| Plymouth are just a bit better than us on 13:06 - Nov 1 by PioneerBlue |
Yes.
*Im not sure why everyone keeps going on about Plymouth loans. All the time the team is winning the loaning player is getting what they need and the loaning club is getting what they need, an increasingly valuable player. I get it if there is a player coming to the end of a contract that could lead to the loaning club recalling.
It’s wishful thinking when the focus needs to be ITFC! |
I'm sure the focus will be on ITFC, but it is increasingly common for teams to lose loan players in January if they've excelled in the first half of the season.
Parent clubs sometimes use them to bolster their own squad, sometimes want them tested at a higher level, sometimes just want a bigger loan fee.
If TJJ bangs in a few more goals between now and January, then we'll likely have a similar issue. | |
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