| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... 00:27 - Nov 28 with 16771 views | XYZ |
... after 25 years. Just when his program about racism (Jews don't count) was coming out.
Coincidental?
Clean hands and all that.
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:38 - Nov 28 with 6047 views | BlueBadger |
I mean, it's better than NOT doing it and doubling down on it. [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 0:38]
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:44 - Nov 28 with 6041 views | XYZ |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:38 - Nov 28 by BlueBadger |
I mean, it's better than NOT doing it and doubling down on it. [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 0:38]
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Still, one would expect the board's avid anti-racists to have publicised this?
Maybe I missed it. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:48 - Nov 28 with 6042 views | Illinoisblue |
I like Baddiel but it is crazy to think he was blacking his face up on a very popular TV show in the early 90s. And there was no outcry at the time, as far as I can recall. Not excusing it, Lee was clearly very affected by it and subsequent “pineapple on his head” abuse from fans, but it was different times back then. |  |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:52 - Nov 28 with 6018 views | XYZ |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:48 - Nov 28 by Illinoisblue |
I like Baddiel but it is crazy to think he was blacking his face up on a very popular TV show in the early 90s. And there was no outcry at the time, as far as I can recall. Not excusing it, Lee was clearly very affected by it and subsequent “pineapple on his head” abuse from fans, but it was different times back then. |
Baddiel's racism badly affected Lee's life.
Was Baddiel's life badly affected by racism?
25 years to apologise. Just before the programme was broadcast.
Very different times indeed. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:56 - Nov 28 with 5999 views | Enigma_Blue |
To be fair Baddiel had apologised years ago,. His recent apology was the first time he had directly apologised to Lee in person. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:01 - Nov 28 with 5978 views | SpruceMoose |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:44 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Still, one would expect the board's avid anti-racists to have publicised this?
Maybe I missed it. |
There's no zealot like the recently converted though. People who have spent a whole life cracking racist jokes and supporting bigoted politicians, public figures and celebrities are often the first to climb upon the old soapbox and preach sanctimoniously to us folk who have spent our lives fighting against all that - back before a bit of casual discrimination was unfashionable or career impacting I might add!
There's some truth in the old saying that a leopard doesn't change it's spots though.
Back when Baddiel was doing his thing and the masses were yukking it up alongside him, some people were actually thinking that it was a fooking disgrace. I think about that now when folk talk about others as "woke'' and dismiss forms of discrimination that they haven't caught up to seeing as discrimination yet.
What they don't see is that the goalposts of acceptability have moved and they're too slow to have caught up yet. So they push back against it.
But they never seem to learn! [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 1:12]
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:02 - Nov 28 with 5975 views | XYZ |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:56 - Nov 28 by Enigma_Blue |
To be fair Baddiel had apologised years ago,. His recent apology was the first time he had directly apologised to Lee in person. |
Well, quite. That's the point of the OP.
A real apology is a face-to-face apology.
If Baddiel didn't recognise that then he wouldn't have done it, would he? | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:05 - Nov 28 with 5956 views | MalcolmMeatballHead |
Even as a 14 year old in those not so politically correct days I felt uncomfortable with the way him and Skinner used to rinse Jason Lee. Never found it funny at all |  | | |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:10 - Nov 28 with 5934 views | Enigma_Blue |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:02 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Well, quite. That's the point of the OP.
A real apology is a face-to-face apology.
If Baddiel didn't recognise that then he wouldn't have done it, would he? |
I agree, he should have done it in person along time ago. I was just making it clear that this wasn't the first time he had ever apologised for what he did. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:13 - Nov 28 with 5912 views | XYZ |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:01 - Nov 28 by SpruceMoose |
There's no zealot like the recently converted though. People who have spent a whole life cracking racist jokes and supporting bigoted politicians, public figures and celebrities are often the first to climb upon the old soapbox and preach sanctimoniously to us folk who have spent our lives fighting against all that - back before a bit of casual discrimination was unfashionable or career impacting I might add!
There's some truth in the old saying that a leopard doesn't change it's spots though.
Back when Baddiel was doing his thing and the masses were yukking it up alongside him, some people were actually thinking that it was a fooking disgrace. I think about that now when folk talk about others as "woke'' and dismiss forms of discrimination that they haven't caught up to seeing as discrimination yet.
What they don't see is that the goalposts of acceptability have moved and they're too slow to have caught up yet. So they push back against it.
But they never seem to learn! [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 1:12]
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Indeed.
The North Essex Conservatives Against Racism Society has but a single hypocritical member. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:43 - Nov 28 with 5858 views | Illinoisblue |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:52 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Baddiel's racism badly affected Lee's life.
Was Baddiel's life badly affected by racism?
25 years to apologise. Just before the programme was broadcast.
Very different times indeed. |
Baddiel has had plenty of abuse for being Jewish. Wether or not you consider that racism probably depends on your point of view. | |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:49 - Nov 28 with 5839 views | MalcolmMeatballHead |
FAO XYZ I was reading your post again and having initially upvoting it i then got clumsy thumbs and downvoted it. I went to upvote it again but it said I couldn't as it said I've already voted. Sorry for the weirdness and inconvenience. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:00 - Nov 28 with 5836 views | XYZ |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:43 - Nov 28 by Illinoisblue |
Baddiel has had plenty of abuse for being Jewish. Wether or not you consider that racism probably depends on your point of view. |
If he's been abused for being Jewish, then that's clearly racist.
Has that impacted him personally? I don't know. He's successful bloke. How would one measure that?
It's got to be notable that he has a clear racist history? That's where he's coming from. That doesn't diminish the points he makes; it clarifies who he is.
His hands are "not clean". | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:05 - Nov 28 with 5837 views | XYZ |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:00 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
If he's been abused for being Jewish, then that's clearly racist.
Has that impacted him personally? I don't know. He's successful bloke. How would one measure that?
It's got to be notable that he has a clear racist history? That's where he's coming from. That doesn't diminish the points he makes; it clarifies who he is.
His hands are "not clean". |
Is he a victim? Probably not.
Is Jason Lee a victim? Definitely.
Is David Baddiel racist? Yes
Is David Baddiel a victim of racism? No, he's a successful comedian. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:15 - Nov 28 with 5807 views | SpruceMoose |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:00 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
If he's been abused for being Jewish, then that's clearly racist.
Has that impacted him personally? I don't know. He's successful bloke. How would one measure that?
It's got to be notable that he has a clear racist history? That's where he's coming from. That doesn't diminish the points he makes; it clarifies who he is.
His hands are "not clean". |
You can be successful in your chosen career and still be the victim of racism and discrimination, no?
I've no doubt he's experienced racism himself and that's inexcusable. That's what has made his own actions in the past even more disappointing and surprising. To me at least.
I'm glad to see that he's eventually come to see that his actions have needed to be addressed. | |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 03:42 - Nov 28 with 5763 views | Illinoisblue |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:05 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Is he a victim? Probably not.
Is Jason Lee a victim? Definitely.
Is David Baddiel racist? Yes
Is David Baddiel a victim of racism? No, he's a successful comedian. |
In order:
You don’t get to decide that.
Agreed
He has been racist, yes
That’s too ridiculous a statement to even answer | |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 06:23 - Nov 28 with 5634 views | textbackup |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:48 - Nov 28 by Illinoisblue |
I like Baddiel but it is crazy to think he was blacking his face up on a very popular TV show in the early 90s. And there was no outcry at the time, as far as I can recall. Not excusing it, Lee was clearly very affected by it and subsequent “pineapple on his head” abuse from fans, but it was different times back then. |
speaking of "different times back then" watched Ali G on netflix the other night.... dread to think what the new generation would think of it if they turned it on and gave it a watch. he offends pretty much everything, and everyone, its great |  |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 06:31 - Nov 28 with 5574 views | leftback |
Have I missed something, Jason Lee was mocked because of his hairstyle 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 06:56 - Nov 28 with 5503 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:05 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Is he a victim? Probably not.
Is Jason Lee a victim? Definitely.
Is David Baddiel racist? Yes
Is David Baddiel a victim of racism? No, he's a successful comedian. |
‘Famous/successful people can’t be victims of racism’  |  |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 07:15 - Nov 28 with 5436 views | Darth_Koont |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:05 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Is he a victim? Probably not.
Is Jason Lee a victim? Definitely.
Is David Baddiel racist? Yes
Is David Baddiel a victim of racism? No, he's a successful comedian. |
You need to qualify those statements, particularly the last one which in isolation is almost certainly wrong.
I get your point in the context of comparing Baddiel’s racist treatment of Jason Lee and the effect it had on Lee’s career vs. how Baddiel’s own career has been affected by racism.
But I don’t doubt that Baddiel has been affected by anti-Jewish racism in his life (directly and even indirectly with the evidence of antisemitism in society) and is therefore a victim. I’m not sure you are saying otherwise outside of the direct and personal career comparison that Baddiel’s own racism created but best to clarify.
That’s the part of Baddiel’s position in “Jews Don’t Count” that I do agree with – that Jews aren’t seen as victims of racism in the same way. The effects aren’t as systemic and socio-economic as a group compared to many others currently, but there’s no doubt that it exists and becomes insidious and threatening in a very different way given the history of the Jewish people and their persecution. |  |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 07:43 - Nov 28 with 5340 views | Fixed_It |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 06:31 - Nov 28 by leftback |
Have I missed something, Jason Lee was mocked because of his hairstyle 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ |
Mocked by someone with a blacked up face, so yes - I think you are missing something. |  |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 08:46 - Nov 28 with 5155 views | Steve_M |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:00 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
If he's been abused for being Jewish, then that's clearly racist.
Has that impacted him personally? I don't know. He's successful bloke. How would one measure that?
It's got to be notable that he has a clear racist history? That's where he's coming from. That doesn't diminish the points he makes; it clarifies who he is.
His hands are "not clean". |
You are making the same argument as the racist supporters of Yorkshire County Cricket Club made against Azeem Rafiq, that because Rafiq had clearly been racist (anti-Semitism in his case) then his own experience of racism is somehow diminished.
It's wrong then and it's wrong in Baddiel's case. |  |
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| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 08:58 - Nov 28 with 5084 views | Cafe_Newman |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:48 - Nov 28 by Illinoisblue |
I like Baddiel but it is crazy to think he was blacking his face up on a very popular TV show in the early 90s. And there was no outcry at the time, as far as I can recall. Not excusing it, Lee was clearly very affected by it and subsequent “pineapple on his head” abuse from fans, but it was different times back then. |
Not having a go here as I agree with what you've written but I'm interested in the often repeated soundbite:
"but it was different times back then"
I guess back then it was different times 30 years previously. And 30 years before that it was different times... you get the idea.
The thing is, we call this progress, and we generally think we've got it right at any moment but we clearly haven't because we acknowledge that Baddiel was wrong 30 years ago.
So what's to say we're not wrong about our take on events right now?
And perhaps there are cultures who are more "advanced" than us and we're the backward ones?
Or maybe we've always got it right and other cultures are always catching up with what's right - which makes us either very insightful or arrogant I suppose.
Just a querie, has anybody got a view on this? |  | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 09:02 - Nov 28 with 5047 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:05 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Is he a victim? Probably not.
Is Jason Lee a victim? Definitely.
Is David Baddiel racist? Yes
Is David Baddiel a victim of racism? No, he's a successful comedian. |
“Is David Baddiel a victim of racism? No, he's a successful comedian.”
So if a footballer is racially abused that’s all okay because they are well paid and successful? Clearly not, so does it only apply to certain careers?
Tied yourself up in all sorts of knots there. | | | |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 09:05 - Nov 28 with 5029 views | itfcjoe |
| David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 02:05 - Nov 28 by XYZ |
Is he a victim? Probably not.
Is Jason Lee a victim? Definitely.
Is David Baddiel racist? Yes
Is David Baddiel a victim of racism? No, he's a successful comedian. |
The absolute state of the last line of this post.
Jew's obviously don't count. |  |
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