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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 12:01 - Nov 30 by DJR
DB's cause is to be wholeheartedly supported, but I do sense he only offered this apology because of his TV programme.
Interestingly, the Forde Report into the Labour Party suggested there was a hierarchy of racism in operation, with black and Muslim members at the bottom of the pile.
This appears to be reflected in the fact that Dianne Abbott received half of the abusive tweets aimed at all female MPs during the 2017 election campaign, but this got precious little coverage anywhere.
Ah Diane Abbott. The safe choice for racists who want to safely spout their bile without having to break cover.
Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 12:01 - Nov 30 by DJR
DB's cause is to be wholeheartedly supported, but I do sense he only offered this apology because of his TV programme.
Interestingly, the Forde Report into the Labour Party suggested there was a hierarchy of racism in operation, with black and Muslim members at the bottom of the pile.
This appears to be reflected in the fact that Dianne Abbott received half of the abusive tweets aimed at all female MPs during the 2017 election campaign, but this got precious little coverage anywhere.
Interestingly, there was probably a hierarchy of racism 25 years ago, because I am not sure it would have been acceptable then for a non-Jewish person to take the micky out of, say, a Jewish manner of dress.
The thing is when black people fight back against racism, it tends to be thrown back in their faces, if the backlash against BLM and wokism is anything to go by. But why shouldn't black lives matter, and what is wrong with being woke (ie. alert to injustice and racism)?
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 13:24 - Nov 30 with 3030 views
Interesting this thread is now 2 days old with 4 pages, yet our resident anti-racist who regularly shares Baddiel’s thoughts on matters is no where to be seen in this thread.
You know full well if this were someone who was involved with Labour 2015-2019 said poster would have not only been the OP, but would have been sure to call out anyone associated through political persuasion as complicit.
It’s almost as if all the traps he lays out are a form of projection and just a big game.
FWIW on the thread, I was around 8-9 when I first saw Fantasy Football and a lot of jokes would have went well over my head. But I do remember them regularly sharing a photo of Madadona’s cock as a punchline which always sat as kind of odd to me. I don’t think it’s aged well in many regards.
BUT…
Being a kid in that era I do remember in general the same pineapple haircut comments being aimed at multiple black players, even heard it said a few times about David Johnson for us. Alas I’d like to believe a lot of it was poorly planned and the wider context removed RE: MAYBE A BIT RACIST. But I didn’t even learn what racism was until I was like 11-12 maybe, which seems bonkers. Bullying people on physical appearance was quite a normal thing in pop culture and society as a kid in the 90s, alas I think people in general are a bit kinder and see it for the cheap pop it is these days. Although it still exists and you don’t need to go far to find it. I deffo get less short jokes than I used to, not that they bothered me personally but I had to learn to brush that off from a young age.
Hell, Harry10 provides us a daily reminder. Can we swap him for the old Harry from the SW, cheers!
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 13:47 - Nov 30 by monytowbray
Interesting this thread is now 2 days old with 4 pages, yet our resident anti-racist who regularly shares Baddiel’s thoughts on matters is no where to be seen in this thread.
You know full well if this were someone who was involved with Labour 2015-2019 said poster would have not only been the OP, but would have been sure to call out anyone associated through political persuasion as complicit.
It’s almost as if all the traps he lays out are a form of projection and just a big game.
FWIW on the thread, I was around 8-9 when I first saw Fantasy Football and a lot of jokes would have went well over my head. But I do remember them regularly sharing a photo of Madadona’s cock as a punchline which always sat as kind of odd to me. I don’t think it’s aged well in many regards.
BUT…
Being a kid in that era I do remember in general the same pineapple haircut comments being aimed at multiple black players, even heard it said a few times about David Johnson for us. Alas I’d like to believe a lot of it was poorly planned and the wider context removed RE: MAYBE A BIT RACIST. But I didn’t even learn what racism was until I was like 11-12 maybe, which seems bonkers. Bullying people on physical appearance was quite a normal thing in pop culture and society as a kid in the 90s, alas I think people in general are a bit kinder and see it for the cheap pop it is these days. Although it still exists and you don’t need to go far to find it. I deffo get less short jokes than I used to, not that they bothered me personally but I had to learn to brush that off from a young age.
Hell, Harry10 provides us a daily reminder. Can we swap him for the old Harry from the SW, cheers!
[Post edited 30 Nov 2022 13:47]
I think GB has XYZ on ignore so wouldn't have seen this thread.
I wonder like me, whether growing up in Suffolk and having few people about who were black, Asian etc that you didn't know what racism was because you simply didn't encounter it.
My next door neighbour was black, but he was probably the only black adult I knew - the few kids in my primary school who were mixed race were from single (white) Mum homes - back in the day when shared custody meant seeing your Dad every other weekend, not half and half like it can be now.
And the black kids were generally popular because were all good at sports. It was the same for me when I went to high school too, and not really until even going to uni when it changed for me
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 13:47 - Nov 30 by monytowbray
Interesting this thread is now 2 days old with 4 pages, yet our resident anti-racist who regularly shares Baddiel’s thoughts on matters is no where to be seen in this thread.
You know full well if this were someone who was involved with Labour 2015-2019 said poster would have not only been the OP, but would have been sure to call out anyone associated through political persuasion as complicit.
It’s almost as if all the traps he lays out are a form of projection and just a big game.
FWIW on the thread, I was around 8-9 when I first saw Fantasy Football and a lot of jokes would have went well over my head. But I do remember them regularly sharing a photo of Madadona’s cock as a punchline which always sat as kind of odd to me. I don’t think it’s aged well in many regards.
BUT…
Being a kid in that era I do remember in general the same pineapple haircut comments being aimed at multiple black players, even heard it said a few times about David Johnson for us. Alas I’d like to believe a lot of it was poorly planned and the wider context removed RE: MAYBE A BIT RACIST. But I didn’t even learn what racism was until I was like 11-12 maybe, which seems bonkers. Bullying people on physical appearance was quite a normal thing in pop culture and society as a kid in the 90s, alas I think people in general are a bit kinder and see it for the cheap pop it is these days. Although it still exists and you don’t need to go far to find it. I deffo get less short jokes than I used to, not that they bothered me personally but I had to learn to brush that off from a young age.
Hell, Harry10 provides us a daily reminder. Can we swap him for the old Harry from the SW, cheers!
[Post edited 30 Nov 2022 13:47]
dont worry i expect he will start another thread about labour and racism. if you have some on ignore , does the whole thread go on ignore
forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 15:18 - Nov 30 with 2837 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 14:05 - Nov 30 by itfcjoe
I think GB has XYZ on ignore so wouldn't have seen this thread.
I wonder like me, whether growing up in Suffolk and having few people about who were black, Asian etc that you didn't know what racism was because you simply didn't encounter it.
My next door neighbour was black, but he was probably the only black adult I knew - the few kids in my primary school who were mixed race were from single (white) Mum homes - back in the day when shared custody meant seeing your Dad every other weekend, not half and half like it can be now.
And the black kids were generally popular because were all good at sports. It was the same for me when I went to high school too, and not really until even going to uni when it changed for me
I think there is something in what you say.
When I was growing up in Ipswich in the late 60s, the expression Jewish was used to describe someone as being mean, rather in the same way as those who are Scottish or from Yorkshire are tarred with the same brush. But there were no Jews in Ipswich, so I had no idea the expression related to a racial group. There was also a chant which began "Who's that Jew with the jumper on, the goalie, the goalie of ....". But once again, I didn't appreciate any racial connotation, or even understand what a Jew was.
On the other hand, these days racism appears to be much more common in areas with very few non-whites, and indeed, the Brexit vote was often stronger in areas barely affected by EU or other immigration. But this may in no small measure be due to the influence of the media which is much more influential and toxic than in the 60s and 70s.
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 16:15 - Nov 30 with 2749 views
I’m not sure whether I’m about to go around in circles or going completely off-topic but here goes.
I’m not really fussed whether DB apology was only brought about due to his TV programme. Sometimes it’s only when you examine your own past actions in detail or as part of some sort of wider context do you realise the consequences of those actions and that only a face-to-face apology is the correct thing to do. Despite the cynicism surrounding his apology it still took guts to say sorry in person especially to Jason Lee who still clearly and rightly felt anger towards him. You can argue quite rightly that it’s long overdue but the fact that he has apologised is significant.
As a mixed-race kid growing up in Ipswich in hindsight, the mid-80s and early 90s society was a lot more racist than what it is now. I remember quite clearly my mum and I being followed by security guards in shops - blatantly looking at us whilst others (I mean white people) were ignored by them. I remember being racially abused by blokes in cars and I remember a particular bus conductor asking me whether I paid for my ticket whilst he ignored my white friends.
And in that era racism was seen as a form of banter. Actually not just racism but misogyny and homophobia as well. One of my high school teachers often told gay jokes openly in the classroom, something she thought was funny.
Whilst open racism is no longer viewed as acceptable it happens frequently - Euro 2020 being the prime example of this within a footballing context. For a wider example the recent firebombing of a detention centre in Dover. The offender was white and so the narrative was that he was a lone wolf with mental health issues - that story disappeared from the headlines very quickly and on TWTD there was only the odd thread about it. Now if he happened to be black or Muslim (or even worse both) the narrative would be that the Muslim or black community have to do a lot more work to target extremists and that they have to take some responsibility for the attack.
I have two young kids who are mixed race as well but who look white and I’m ashamed to say that I’m glad that they do as they probably will never hear racist insults directed at them.
In short, DB apology might well be late and might well have been as a result of his show but it was heartfelt and he realises the full error of what he subjected JL to. We can’t do anything to alter the past or past attitudes we can try to atone for past actions. And an apology works wonders.
Apologies for going on and on and for more sideways passes than Skuse.
[Post edited 30 Nov 2022 22:35]
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 18:07 - Nov 30 with 2665 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 18:07 - Nov 30 by MattinLondon
If you view this site without being logged in then everyone’s thread is visible. Which is why I think ‘div listing’ other posters is pointless.
i was asking the ? because i know you dont see the post of someone you have on ignore, but you can still see the thead and get the jist of it. what i really wanted to know if said person starts a thread does the whole thread goes on ignore. i never log out of twtd so it shows me on all times of the day
forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 18:25 - Nov 30 with 2635 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 18:16 - Nov 30 by jaykay
i was asking the ? because i know you dont see the post of someone you have on ignore, but you can still see the thead and get the jist of it. what i really wanted to know if said person starts a thread does the whole thread goes on ignore. i never log out of twtd so it shows me on all times of the day
Yes, if someone is on ignore then any thread they start will not be visible.
Unless you are logged off obviously.
You can however, reply to a post on that thread directly from being logged-off.
Replying to that post will take you to the log-in page and then automatically to the post you are responding to.
Why would one wish to do that one may ask. Well, sometimes a thread will take an alternate direction and material that is relevant to an on-looker may become of interest.
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 18:56 - Nov 30 by XYZ
As Jason Lee points out in the podcast, he has not been difficult to find and Baddiel acknowledges he should have done it sooner.
I wasn't aware of the full implications of that sketch's impact on Lee until now.
It's all very well apologising then, now, whenever. But the damage was done and Lee lived with the consequences of Baddiel/Skinner's actions. They must have known they were poking fun in bad taste and that a real person was at the brunt of it.
If the apologies in the past were as heartfelt as this recent one has been made out to be, then perhaps a more sincere and open approach would have counted for something back then.
Yes, it's hard to not see it as cynical and self-serving in that light.
The subject needs addressing clearly. It's just a shame it isn't someone with more credibility helping to bring it to the fore it feels.
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 19:09 - Nov 30 by jeera
I wasn't aware of the full implications of that sketch's impact on Lee until now.
It's all very well apologising then, now, whenever. But the damage was done and Lee lived with the consequences of Baddiel/Skinner's actions. They must have known they were poking fun in bad taste and that a real person was at the brunt of it.
If the apologies in the past were as heartfelt as this recent one has been made out to be, then perhaps a more sincere and open approach would have counted for something back then.
Yes, it's hard to not see it as cynical and self-serving in that light.
The subject needs addressing clearly. It's just a shame it isn't someone with more credibility helping to bring it to the fore it feels.
Quite.
Walking down the street with your kids and having to explain to them why people were pointing and laughing at you.
All completely predicable from Baddiel's actions. Specifically targeted; life damaged.
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 19:33 - Nov 30 with 2548 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 18:05 - Nov 30 by MattinLondon
I’m not sure whether I’m about to go around in circles or going completely off-topic but here goes.
I’m not really fussed whether DB apology was only brought about due to his TV programme. Sometimes it’s only when you examine your own past actions in detail or as part of some sort of wider context do you realise the consequences of those actions and that only a face-to-face apology is the correct thing to do. Despite the cynicism surrounding his apology it still took guts to say sorry in person especially to Jason Lee who still clearly and rightly felt anger towards him. You can argue quite rightly that it’s long overdue but the fact that he has apologised is significant.
As a mixed-race kid growing up in Ipswich in hindsight, the mid-80s and early 90s society was a lot more racist than what it is now. I remember quite clearly my mum and I being followed by security guards in shops - blatantly looking at us whilst others (I mean white people) were ignored by them. I remember being racially abused by blokes in cars and I remember a particular bus conductor asking me whether I paid for my ticket whilst he ignored my white friends.
And in that era racism was seen as a form of banter. Actually not just racism but misogyny and homophobia as well. One of my high school teachers often told gay jokes openly in the classroom, something she thought was funny.
Whilst open racism is no longer viewed as acceptable it happens frequently - Euro 2020 being the prime example of this within a footballing context. For a wider example the recent firebombing of a detention centre in Dover. The offender was white and so the narrative was that he was a lone wolf with mental health issues - that story disappeared from the headlines very quickly and on TWTD there was only the odd thread about it. Now if he happened to be black or Muslim (or even worse both) the narrative would be that the Muslim or black community have to do a lot more work to target extremists and that they have to take some responsibility for the attack.
I have two young kids who are mixed race as well but who look white and I’m ashamed to say that I’m glad that they do as they probably will never hear racist insults directed at them.
In short, DB apology might well be late and might well have been as a result of his show but it was heartfelt and he realises the full error of what he subjected JL to. We can’t do anything to alter the past or past attitudes we can try to atone for past actions. And an apology works wonders.
Apologies for going on and on and for more sideways passes than Skuse.
[Post edited 30 Nov 2022 22:35]
Nice post buh. Thought that deserves a response as well as an uppie. And yes, I think the most important thing is their conversation took place. Yes it’s later than it should have been, and yes maybe it’s convenient (maybe not), but both are immaterial to the point and benefit of the conversation. They cover that ground in the interview (I suspect most people won’t watch it, but their main message is to talk, to learn, to empathise and to be advocates for people who have a struggle against inequality, be that racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever. All need support, and none should suffer at the cost of another cause).
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 19:33 - Nov 30 by Swansea_Blue
Nice post buh. Thought that deserves a response as well as an uppie. And yes, I think the most important thing is their conversation took place. Yes it’s later than it should have been, and yes maybe it’s convenient (maybe not), but both are immaterial to the point and benefit of the conversation. They cover that ground in the interview (I suspect most people won’t watch it, but their main message is to talk, to learn, to empathise and to be advocates for people who have a struggle against inequality, be that racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever. All need support, and none should suffer at the cost of another cause).
Thank you. I do think that apologies are important - they won’t erode away the hurt caused by the past but they give hope to the future.
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 21:05 - Nov 30 with 2448 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 00:30 - Dec 1 by XYZ
45 minutes in.
Jason Lee is one top bloke. Wow.
The other bloke? As Jason says; maybe it's the messenger.
Still, some people support these people guilty of egregious racism.
Edit:
The point being that the fight against anti-semiticism is harmed by a self-confessed (and supposedly reformed) racist making the case.
On the basis of this interview David Baddiel will be remembered as the racist that tried, but failed, to destroy Jason Lee.
I hope he learns more about redemption than he's shown in the first 40 minutes - Lee set him up with the opportunity and he failed spectacularly.
Let's see how the final 15 minutes go.
[Post edited 1 Dec 2022 0:44]
Question;
Does the poster that was a member of and elected representative of north east Essex Conservative Party constituencies famous for their UKIP racist sympathies (i.e Clacton) deny ever witnessing any racism at meetings of said organistions?
What action did such poster take at these meetings?
Could one be such a tory in such a constituency and not witness racism?
There's no zeal like the zeal of a convert.
Time for some David Baddiel like honesty methinks ...
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:47 - Dec 1 with 2283 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:35 - Dec 1 by XYZ
Question;
Does the poster that was a member of and elected representative of north east Essex Conservative Party constituencies famous for their UKIP racist sympathies (i.e Clacton) deny ever witnessing any racism at meetings of said organistions?
What action did such poster take at these meetings?
Could one be such a tory in such a constituency and not witness racism?
There's no zeal like the zeal of a convert.
Time for some David Baddiel like honesty methinks ...
We all know that you "log in: log out; check those I've blocked"
Do you support this racist GB? - how did you oppose racism in the Clacton tory (UKIP) party?
Do you need to make a confession like David Baddiel?
Some honesty, please.
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This is getting desperate… on 08:21 - Dec 1 with 2165 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 01:47 - Dec 1 by XYZ
We all know that you "log in: log out; check those I've blocked"
Do you support this racist GB? - how did you oppose racism in the Clacton tory (UKIP) party?
Do you need to make a confession like David Baddiel?
Some honesty, please.
….and frankly embarrassing.
This thread has brought up some very valid and important points that are totally worthy of discussion, but it’s become increasingly apparent that you simply intended it as bait for another poster.
You, and a couple of others, are diminishing the real issue here by making it about your own personal vendetta against another poster.
For your own benefit, and remaining sanity, you should probably stop this “crusade”.
Have a good day.
"Great to see you back on here mate, I was considering deactivating my account if you hadn’t returned" - TWTD User (Aug 2025)
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David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 09:25 - Dec 1 with 2089 views
David Baddiel has finally apologised for his racism to Jason Lee ... on 09:25 - Dec 1 by PhilTWTD
I agree with Bloots. This just seems to be baiting another user. No need for it and this sort of thing needs to stop, whoever instigates it.
It seems to me that there is baiting on both sides on matters relating to antisemitism in the Labour Party, with a recent post about John Ware being an example. As a member of the Labour Party, I have strong views on the issue myself, but surely it's been done to death and we all need to move on.
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