| Oriental 09:34 - Dec 20 with 4214 views | Wicksy |
Apparently now offensive.
'Come on down to our Oriental town' is a lyric in a production of Aladdin.
People taking offense .
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| The cars in the churchyard
Were shiny and German
Distinctly at odds with
The theme of the sermon |
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| Oriental on 09:35 - Dec 20 with 3146 views | J2BLUE |
Hasn't that been the case for at least a decade? |  |
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| Oriental on 09:37 - Dec 20 with 3125 views | Wicksy |
| Oriental on 09:35 - Dec 20 by J2BLUE |
Hasn't that been the case for at least a decade? |
First I've heard of it | |
| The cars in the churchyard
Were shiny and German
Distinctly at odds with
The theme of the sermon |
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| Oriental on 09:43 - Dec 20 with 3090 views | Keno |
| Oriental on 09:37 - Dec 20 by Wicksy |
First I've heard of it |
So what do we have to a certain footie team?
Leyton Indo-china |  |
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| Oriental on 09:45 - Dec 20 with 3081 views | hype313 |
| Oriental on 09:43 - Dec 20 by Keno |
So what do we have to a certain footie team?
Leyton Indo-china |
Wondered why Lynx stopped selling it. |  |
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| Oriental on 09:48 - Dec 20 with 3069 views | Wicksy |
| Oriental on 09:43 - Dec 20 by Keno |
So what do we have to a certain footie team?
Leyton Indo-china |
Indeed- and what about the Orient Express? | |
| The cars in the churchyard
Were shiny and German
Distinctly at odds with
The theme of the sermon |
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| Oriental on 09:49 - Dec 20 with 3052 views | homer_123 |
| Oriental on 09:45 - Dec 20 by hype313 |
Wondered why Lynx stopped selling it. |
Cause it was sh*t |  |
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| Oriental on 09:49 - Dec 20 with 3053 views | Keno |
| Oriental on 09:48 - Dec 20 by Wicksy |
Indeed- and what about the Orient Express? |
Oh no! Gutted my local take away will have to change its name!! | |
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| Oriental on 09:52 - Dec 20 with 3039 views | homer_123 |
| Oriental on 09:35 - Dec 20 by J2BLUE |
Hasn't that been the case for at least a decade? |
Not sure on this one.
If memory serves, there was a push in the States to have it removed from law, as it was based on links to Imperialism? | |
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| Oriental on 10:15 - Dec 20 with 2971 views | Pendejo |
Is that because it's generic rather than specific?
Oriental being a Spanish word for eastern so it seems an odd word to take issue with. It refers to pretty much everything East of Bangladesh: China, Japa, Korea, Vietnam, Laos etc.
Recently I cringed when visiting a pub near Swindon Shopping Village and Colombian friend who was over for a few days used the Spanish word for black. Then realised that as the only white English make in our party I was the only one thinking of the negative context in English of that word. |  |
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| Oriental on 10:20 - Dec 20 with 2948 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
It's literally Latin for Eastern. Occidental being Western.
The two things that are potentially problematic about it are that, firstly, it implies that the centre of the world is London, and therefore that the defining characteristic of a place or culture is is It's longitude relative to the UK, and secondly that millenia old cultures such as the Chinese, Japanese and Korean civilisations can be lumped together under one generic adjective.
Then you have the ridiculousness of it being used in the USA when eg China and Japan are very much to the West.
You also have the additional problem that "Chicken Oriental" is rhyming slang for "Mental".
In this case, as Oriental is defined against where someone is, it is nonsensical for townspeople to call their home "Oriental".
It's a really easy lyric to change, as the rhyme isn't dependent on it. "Come on down, join us in our joyful town" would work, for example.
I'm surprised that that is perceived to be the most racially sensitive thing in the average production of Aladdin, though! |  | | |
| Oriental on 10:26 - Dec 20 with 2915 views | Keno |
| Oriental on 10:20 - Dec 20 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's literally Latin for Eastern. Occidental being Western.
The two things that are potentially problematic about it are that, firstly, it implies that the centre of the world is London, and therefore that the defining characteristic of a place or culture is is It's longitude relative to the UK, and secondly that millenia old cultures such as the Chinese, Japanese and Korean civilisations can be lumped together under one generic adjective.
Then you have the ridiculousness of it being used in the USA when eg China and Japan are very much to the West.
You also have the additional problem that "Chicken Oriental" is rhyming slang for "Mental".
In this case, as Oriental is defined against where someone is, it is nonsensical for townspeople to call their home "Oriental".
It's a really easy lyric to change, as the rhyme isn't dependent on it. "Come on down, join us in our joyful town" would work, for example.
I'm surprised that that is perceived to be the most racially sensitive thing in the average production of Aladdin, though! |
"it implies that the centre of the world is London,"
eh we all not the centre of the whole world, hey the universe is the centre spot at Portman Road | |
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| Oriental on 10:30 - Dec 20 with 2898 views | ronnyd |
To many people. Asia starts at Calais. | | | |
| Oriental on 10:47 - Dec 20 with 2785 views | DecageBruce |
| Oriental on 10:15 - Dec 20 by Pendejo |
Is that because it's generic rather than specific?
Oriental being a Spanish word for eastern so it seems an odd word to take issue with. It refers to pretty much everything East of Bangladesh: China, Japa, Korea, Vietnam, Laos etc.
Recently I cringed when visiting a pub near Swindon Shopping Village and Colombian friend who was over for a few days used the Spanish word for black. Then realised that as the only white English make in our party I was the only one thinking of the negative context in English of that word. |
The Dolphin? |  | | |
| Oriental on 11:03 - Dec 20 with 2751 views | Wacko |
| Oriental on 09:43 - Dec 20 by Keno |
So what do we have to a certain footie team?
Leyton Indo-china |
This thread is making me feel a bit disindo-chinated | |
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| Oriental on 11:15 - Dec 20 with 2688 views | Wicksy |
| Oriental on 10:20 - Dec 20 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's literally Latin for Eastern. Occidental being Western.
The two things that are potentially problematic about it are that, firstly, it implies that the centre of the world is London, and therefore that the defining characteristic of a place or culture is is It's longitude relative to the UK, and secondly that millenia old cultures such as the Chinese, Japanese and Korean civilisations can be lumped together under one generic adjective.
Then you have the ridiculousness of it being used in the USA when eg China and Japan are very much to the West.
You also have the additional problem that "Chicken Oriental" is rhyming slang for "Mental".
In this case, as Oriental is defined against where someone is, it is nonsensical for townspeople to call their home "Oriental".
It's a really easy lyric to change, as the rhyme isn't dependent on it. "Come on down, join us in our joyful town" would work, for example.
I'm surprised that that is perceived to be the most racially sensitive thing in the average production of Aladdin, though! |
The other contentious aspect of this particular production is that it's an all white cast. Now that's understandable | |
| The cars in the churchyard
Were shiny and German
Distinctly at odds with
The theme of the sermon |
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| Oriental on 11:31 - Dec 20 with 2649 views | Deano69 |
They must have their heads exploding over the lyrics of 'When a child is born' |  |
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| Oriental on 13:09 - Dec 20 with 2496 views | jeera |
Language evolves along with our understanding.
I suppose it's a word that was used and is no longer appropriate as it generalises, as others have pointed out.
Given the anti-Europe sentiment we see so much of then it makes it all the more understandable doesn't it:
"You Europeans are all the same"
"I'm not European, I'm bloody well English mate".
"Well that's what we've always called you Brits, you're all European to us".
"Well best you fecking well change it then sunshine".
It's not hard really.
It's not a big deal to replace it with more appropriate descriptors really.
*I admit to my script being totally contrived but can't be bothered to come up with anything more suitable.
Edit: the most offensive part of your post is the US spelling of 'offence'! [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 13:10]
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| Oriental on 13:10 - Dec 20 with 2493 views | jeera |
| Oriental on 09:35 - Dec 20 by J2BLUE |
Hasn't that been the case for at least a decade? |
At least. | |
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| Oriental on 13:19 - Dec 20 with 2434 views | IpswichRising |
| Oriental on 09:43 - Dec 20 by Keno |
So what do we have to a certain footie team?
Leyton Indo-china |
Does that also mean that P&O are going to have to change their name | | | |
| Oriental on 13:23 - Dec 20 with 2407 views | jaykay |
| Oriental on 10:20 - Dec 20 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's literally Latin for Eastern. Occidental being Western.
The two things that are potentially problematic about it are that, firstly, it implies that the centre of the world is London, and therefore that the defining characteristic of a place or culture is is It's longitude relative to the UK, and secondly that millenia old cultures such as the Chinese, Japanese and Korean civilisations can be lumped together under one generic adjective.
Then you have the ridiculousness of it being used in the USA when eg China and Japan are very much to the West.
You also have the additional problem that "Chicken Oriental" is rhyming slang for "Mental".
In this case, as Oriental is defined against where someone is, it is nonsensical for townspeople to call their home "Oriental".
It's a really easy lyric to change, as the rhyme isn't dependent on it. "Come on down, join us in our joyful town" would work, for example.
I'm surprised that that is perceived to be the most racially sensitive thing in the average production of Aladdin, though! |
if they are to the west , is that where that dreadful shorten word for western oriental gentleman comes from ? |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Oriental on 13:24 - Dec 20 with 2409 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oriental on 10:15 - Dec 20 by Pendejo |
Is that because it's generic rather than specific?
Oriental being a Spanish word for eastern so it seems an odd word to take issue with. It refers to pretty much everything East of Bangladesh: China, Japa, Korea, Vietnam, Laos etc.
Recently I cringed when visiting a pub near Swindon Shopping Village and Colombian friend who was over for a few days used the Spanish word for black. Then realised that as the only white English make in our party I was the only one thinking of the negative context in English of that word. |
the issue isn't that it lacks specificity - we would have to stop using the terms 'westerners' and 'the west' if that was the case.
the problem is that the historical use of the word was deeply imbued with overt racism. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Oriental on 13:49 - Dec 20 with 2308 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Oriental on 10:30 - Dec 20 by ronnyd |
To many people. Asia starts at Calais. |
Starts a lot nearer than that. |  |
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| Oriental on 14:01 - Dec 20 with 2260 views | DJR |
This appears to be a typically twisted Mail story which is manna from Heaven for the anti-woke.
Don't forget "woke" means alert to injustice and racism, which to my mind is an admirable thing. And the main issue in the story is a lack of diverse casting for a pantomime set in the East, and in a city (Liverpool) which has had a Chinese population for centuries. But the story also includes the comments of an Asian actor who has played Aladdin in a West End production and who believes the use of the expression in question has racist connotations.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to fight the culture wars. [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 14:43]
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| Oriental on 14:02 - Dec 20 with 2260 views | SaigonTractor |
A good rule of thumb is that whenever you read something is "apparently offensive" it usually means 1 weirdo brought it up and then Daily Mail readers start frothing at the mouth assuming everyone under 35 thinks the same thing. |  | | |
| Oriental on 14:59 - Dec 20 with 2134 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
As I understand it you can call a thing Oriental, such as a rug, but not a person. It's south east Asian.
Don't believe everything the Mail/Express tell you. |  |
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