| The trans Bill in Scotland 14:26 - Dec 22 with 12514 views | DJR |
Even though the SNP are getting it in the neck from the right wing press, interesting to see that both Labour and the Lib Dems there are supporting the Bill.
This is what Nicola Sturgeon has (admirably) said today about the Bill.
"Removing the need for medical diagnosis for a trans person who wants to legally change their gender is actually one of the purposes of this legislation, because the need for that is one of the most intrusive, traumatic and dehumanising parts of the current system.
And as a woman, I know very much what it is like to live with the fear at times of potential violence from men. I’m a feminist. I will argue for women’s rights. I will do everything I can to protect women’s rights for as long as I was.
But I also think it’s an important part of my responsibility to make life a little bit easier for stigmatised minorities in our country, to make their lives a bit better, and to remove some of the trauma that they live with on a day to day basis.
And I think it is important to do that for the tiny minority of trans people in our society and I will never apologise for trying to spread equality, not reduce it in our country."
I wonder if Labour down here would be brave enough to bring forward such a Bill, as clearly the Tories (post-Cameron) have become increasingly intolerant when it comes to social issues. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 14:29]
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 14:29 - Dec 22 with 5694 views | BlueBadger |
Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil. |  |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 14:32 - Dec 22 with 5676 views | DJR |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 14:29 - Dec 22 by BlueBadger |
Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil. |
Oh dear! Perhaps Phil could just lock it there, as I wasn't trying to re-open the whole debate.
[Post edited 22 Dec 2022 14:37]
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 14:48 - Dec 22 with 5625 views | BlueBadger |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 14:32 - Dec 22 by DJR |
Oh dear! Perhaps Phil could just lock it there, as I wasn't trying to re-open the whole debate.
[Post edited 22 Dec 2022 14:37]
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You'll probably be alright. Snowboarding isn't a massive sport in Scotland. | |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 18:09 - Dec 22 with 5441 views | DJR |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 14:29 - Dec 22 by BlueBadger |
Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil. |
Without wishing to stir up a hornet's nest, the following explanation of the Bill seems fine to me.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill-more-i
Given this, it seems absurd that the Tories appear to be contemplating preventing the Bill becoming law, according to the following from the Guardian. But it's all really part of the Tories' culture wars both in Scotland and the rest of the UK.
"Westminster may use rare power to block Scotland's gender recognition bill on women's safety grounds, UK minister says
Alister Jack, the Scottish secretary, has hinted that the UK government might block the gender recognition reform (Scotland) bill passed by MSPs this afternoon. In a statement responding to the vote, he said:
'We share the concerns that many people have regarding certain aspects of this bill, and in particular the safety issues for women and children.
We will look closely at that, and also the ramifications for the 2010 Equality Act and other UK wide legislation, in the coming weeks - up to and including a section 35 order stopping the bill going for royal assent if necessary'." [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 18:11]
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 with 5310 views | Lord_Lucan |
Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.
What a load of insane sh1te.
Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.
What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby. |  |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:28 - Dec 22 with 5299 views | J2BLUE |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.
What a load of insane sh1te.
Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.
What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby. |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 21:54 - Dec 22 with 5164 views | SpruceMoose |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.
What a load of insane sh1te.
Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.
What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby. |
#BeKind |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:34 - Dec 22 with 5028 views | Clapham_Junction |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.
What a load of insane sh1te.
Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.
What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby. |
Has this been happening in Ireland since they passed the same legislation several years ago? |  | | |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:38 - Dec 22 with 4987 views | SpruceMoose |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:34 - Dec 22 by Clapham_Junction |
Has this been happening in Ireland since they passed the same legislation several years ago? |
Obviously no. But that fact doesn't sit well with the feelings that Lucan and whatever that other blokes name on this thread is hold.
It's rather concerning how comfortable some posters are with expressing transphobic viewpoints on here though. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 with 4857 views | gtsb1966 |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:38 - Dec 22 by SpruceMoose |
Obviously no. But that fact doesn't sit well with the feelings that Lucan and whatever that other blokes name on this thread is hold.
It's rather concerning how comfortable some posters are with expressing transphobic viewpoints on here though. |
Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 23:01]
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:06 - Dec 22 with 4776 views | SpruceMoose |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 23:01]
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Yes. You're the real victim here. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:06 - Dec 22 with 4763 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 23:01]
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Can you point out to me when it was that all these woke types got to decide what's what? |  |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:11 - Dec 22 with 4751 views | jeera |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 23:01]
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Don't be silly.
You're using lazy tropes. Who are the 'woke' we keep hearing about and what does it even mean?
I'm a middle-aged white bloke and I seem to get through most days without being accused of being racist or homophobic. It's easy to not be those things and I don't consider myself to be woke. I'm still not sure what that even is as I say.
Just don't be a knob, it's not hard. |  |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:13 - Dec 22 with 4727 views | gtsb1966 |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:06 - Dec 22 by SpruceMoose |
Yes. You're the real victim here. |
We actually are. | | | |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:17 - Dec 22 with 4669 views | StokieBlue |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:13 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
We actually are. |
What exactly are you a victim of?
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:20 - Dec 22 with 4667 views | XYZ |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.
What a load of insane sh1te.
Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.
What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby. |
Lol.
Has there ever been a more obvious "I'm not quite what I try to pretend be on here" post?
Your petticoat is showing, my "Lord". |  | | |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:21 - Dec 22 with 4654 views | jeera |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:13 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
We actually are. |
Who's 'we' and what are 'we' a victim of exactly?
I always thought you above this nonsense.
You have daughters - so you want them treated with respect and rightly so.
So sexism should be something you've warned them about growing up. It's a normal thing to want to protect your kids from, being treated as inferior by morons. So what's your point? If your kids are black you don't want them being treated like trash because of their colour.
I can't comment on the trans stuff because I don't know much, but I don't have to in order to treat other people with a bit of respect.
None of this is new, let alone 'woke'.
Woke is a word people who are afraid of the world have come up with because they feel threatened. Imagine feeling that threatened by absolutely everything and everybody all the time. | |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:24 - Dec 22 with 4617 views | XYZ |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:21 - Dec 22 by jeera |
Who's 'we' and what are 'we' a victim of exactly?
I always thought you above this nonsense.
You have daughters - so you want them treated with respect and rightly so.
So sexism should be something you've warned them about growing up. It's a normal thing to want to protect your kids from, being treated as inferior by morons. So what's your point? If your kids are black you don't want them being treated like trash because of their colour.
I can't comment on the trans stuff because I don't know much, but I don't have to in order to treat other people with a bit of respect.
None of this is new, let alone 'woke'.
Woke is a word people who are afraid of the world have come up with because they feel threatened. Imagine feeling that threatened by absolutely everything and everybody all the time. |
An uppie ain't enough.
Well said sir/ madam/ other | | | |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:25 - Dec 22 with 4611 views | SpruceMoose |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:11 - Dec 22 by jeera |
Don't be silly.
You're using lazy tropes. Who are the 'woke' we keep hearing about and what does it even mean?
I'm a middle-aged white bloke and I seem to get through most days without being accused of being racist or homophobic. It's easy to not be those things and I don't consider myself to be woke. I'm still not sure what that even is as I say.
Just don't be a knob, it's not hard. |
"Woke" is just the repackaged and presentable face of bigotry. | |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:27 - Dec 22 with 4608 views | Kievthegreat |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.
What a load of insane sh1te.
Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.
What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby. |
The legislation passed does not change the changing rooms or toilets that people can or cannot use. |  | | |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:37 - Dec 22 with 4444 views | eireblue |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 23:01]
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Dont have to image.
I am one.
It isn’t bad at all. Pretty easy really. |  | | |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:40 - Dec 22 with 4385 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 23:01]
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I don’t have to imagine and it’s not bad. Nothing I say is racist or homophobic what with me not being a racist or a homophobe |  |
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:41 - Dec 22 with 4359 views | StokieBlue |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:37 - Dec 22 by eireblue |
Dont have to image.
I am one.
It isn’t bad at all. Pretty easy really. |
Certainly easier than being an ethnic minority, an asylum seeker, LGBTQ+ or a woman.
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| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:42 - Dec 22 with 4312 views | Kievthegreat |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:41 - Dec 22 by StokieBlue |
Certainly easier than being an ethnic minority, an asylum seeker, LGBTQ+ or a woman.
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Or some combination of any/all of these. | | | |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:58 - Dec 22 with 4231 views | XYZ |
| The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966 |
Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 23:01]
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Lol. Be woke; don't be like this bloke.
Yes, assumption, but; I'm confident he's a bloke. | | | |
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