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The trans Bill in Scotland 14:26 - Dec 22 with 12512 viewsDJR

Even though the SNP are getting it in the neck from the right wing press, interesting to see that both Labour and the Lib Dems there are supporting the Bill.

This is what Nicola Sturgeon has (admirably) said today about the Bill.

"Removing the need for medical diagnosis for a trans person who wants to legally change their gender is actually one of the purposes of this legislation, because the need for that is one of the most intrusive, traumatic and dehumanising parts of the current system.

And as a woman, I know very much what it is like to live with the fear at times of potential violence from men. I’m a feminist. I will argue for women’s rights. I will do everything I can to protect women’s rights for as long as I was.

But I also think it’s an important part of my responsibility to make life a little bit easier for stigmatised minorities in our country, to make their lives a bit better, and to remove some of the trauma that they live with on a day to day basis.

And I think it is important to do that for the tiny minority of trans people in our society and I will never apologise for trying to spread equality, not reduce it in our country."

I wonder if Labour down here would be brave enough to bring forward such a Bill, as clearly the Tories (post-Cameron) have become increasingly intolerant when it comes to social issues.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 00:21 - Dec 23 with 2124 viewsSpruceMoose

The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:13 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966

We actually are.


You've really crapped the bed here mate

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 00:35 - Dec 23 with 2120 viewsXYZ

The trans Bill in Scotland on 00:21 - Dec 23 by SpruceMoose

You've really crapped the bed here mate


And a few have jumped into bed with it/ him/ her/ them/ whatever and Lucan.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 02:51 - Dec 23 with 2048 viewsSpruceMoose

The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:17 - Dec 22 by StokieBlue

What exactly are you a victim of?

SB


Ignorance, seeing as it's the charitable season.

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 02:59 - Dec 23 with 2066 viewsBlueBadger

The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966

Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country.
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Have you tried not saying racist or homophobic things? As a straight white bloke, I find that helps me enormously to avoid the situation you're describing here.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2022 13:56]

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 03:30 - Dec 23 with 2037 viewsSpruceMoose

The trans Bill in Scotland on 02:59 - Dec 23 by BlueBadger

Have you tried not saying racist or homophobic things? As a straight white bloke, I find that helps me enormously to avoid the situation you're describing here.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2022 13:56]


It's worth saving that post for the next time him and his gang start blubbing about not being able to say anything these days, or sniffing around snivelling about people on here being argumentative or unkind to others.

Because, yes, you actually can't say things like that these days. Not if you don't want people to mark you down as an absolute tosser.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 07:40 - Dec 23 with 1977 viewsMattinLondon

The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:13 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966

We actually are.


Can you explain why you think white heterosexual males are now the real victims? Not generic statements but actual real life examples.

I’m interested in why you think that this is the case.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 07:43 - Dec 23 with 1975 viewstractordownsouth

The trans Bill in Scotland on 23:25 - Dec 22 by SpruceMoose

"Woke" is just the repackaged and presentable face of bigotry.


Woke is just a shortcut for “I don’t like this but I can’t articulate why”

And of course, the most ferociously “anti-woke” people (the Dan Woottons and Darren Grimes of this world) are ironically the most perpetually offended.

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:01 - Dec 23 with 1944 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

The trans Bill in Scotland on 14:29 - Dec 22 by BlueBadger

Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil.


Slow burner but I think we're off!

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:04 - Dec 23 with 1944 viewsgtsb1966

Hope this is blocked and if you can't see why you are fools. If you care about women and childrens safety you will want it blocked too. My last word on the matter. Happy Xmas.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:07 - Dec 23 with 1938 viewsclive_baker

Thought the thread title was a person.

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:20 - Dec 23 with 1919 viewsGlasgowBlue

The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:28 - Dec 22 by J2BLUE



How the heck has this been reported for abuse? It’s not much different to badger posting “Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil”.

Getting back to the op. There is a big divide in Scotland over this legislation with those who object being in the majority. So credit to the Scottish government for not taking the easy option and pressing ahead with what they believe to be right.

Objection to the bill seem to fall into two catorfories. Those who shout ‘stop the world I want to get off’ because they simply can’t get their heads around the idea of Trans people, and those people (mostly women) who have genuine concerns for the safety of womens spaces. I can’t imagine being a vulnerable woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse and those women shouldn’t be dismissed as being anti trans. They are entitled to be listened to.

Their main concern is the short time that somebody somebody is required to self identify as a woman before being able to legally change this status. On the flip side, for somebody who has been born into the wrong body they have been waiting their entire life for this moment.

With regards to the issue of safety, last month, a UN special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, warned the Scottish bill could endanger women. Reem Alsalem said it "would potentially open the door for violent males who identify as men to abuse the process of acquiring a gender certificate and the rights that are associated with it". On the flip side, the UN's independent expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, Victor Madrigal-Borloz said on Friday: “There are no administrative or judicial findings that validate the idea that the risk of abuse is a material one.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63993415

So the debate is way too complicated for a group of mostly heterosexual men on a football message board. And is bound to descend into name calling. Which is a shame as there is a genuine debate to be had, and if people can refrain from name calling and are respectful then there is no reason it shouldn’t be had.

My own opinion is that all human beings deserve respect and should be allowed to live their lives with dignity. They should not be discriminated against because of their race, colour, religion, sexuality or gender. Just like I can’t imagine being a woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse, I can’t imagine what it’s like to spend formative years trapped in the wrong body. And if this legislation helps people to be able to live their lives as the person they want to be then it can only be positive. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also listen to women and address their concerns.

Probably a bit of a heavy and rambling post for this turn of the morning but I’m basically having the debate inside my own head.

Edited 4 pour smelling.
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Hey now, hey now, don't dream it's over
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:20 - Dec 23 with 1922 viewsMullet

The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 by Lord_Lucan

Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.

What a load of insane sh1te.

Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.

What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby.


Are sex offenders put off by a sign usually though? I hear this argument a lot but the idea that someone is going to become trans to make offending easier just doesn't stack up does it?

If anything we are more aware of believing victims, being vigilant and investigating offences than ever. This particular trope seems to come from the same place as the old gay = paedophile type thinking of old. It's just been weaponised by the Right hasn't it?

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:32 - Dec 23 with 1909 viewsDanTheMan

The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:20 - Dec 23 by Mullet

Are sex offenders put off by a sign usually though? I hear this argument a lot but the idea that someone is going to become trans to make offending easier just doesn't stack up does it?

If anything we are more aware of believing victims, being vigilant and investigating offences than ever. This particular trope seems to come from the same place as the old gay = paedophile type thinking of old. It's just been weaponised by the Right hasn't it?


The whole toilet or changing room obsession is very weird. There's nothing stopping someone who wants to do something awful from doing it now as you say.

I doubt anyone who wants to commit sexual assault is thinking "well sexual assault is fine and all but going into the wrong bathroom? Way too far".

There is a genuine debate to be had around the legislation but these aren't real issues.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:36 - Dec 23 with 1881 viewshype313

The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:32 - Dec 23 by DanTheMan

The whole toilet or changing room obsession is very weird. There's nothing stopping someone who wants to do something awful from doing it now as you say.

I doubt anyone who wants to commit sexual assault is thinking "well sexual assault is fine and all but going into the wrong bathroom? Way too far".

There is a genuine debate to be had around the legislation but these aren't real issues.
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This is the one argument I can't square.

If you're a sick and deranged sexual predator, I very much doubt a ladies sign on a public toilet will stop you in your tracks and give you a sudden sense of moral compass.

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:57 - Dec 23 with 1819 viewsZx1988

The trans Bill in Scotland on 20:23 - Dec 22 by Lord_Lucan

Ok, everyone seems to be steering away from this but I’ll bite.

What a load of insane sh1te.

Expect a sex pest in a women’s changing room near you soon.

What do the youngsters say - “Own it” - Well “Own” this piece of Sh1t baby.


I'll just leave this here for you, Lucan:


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The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:57 - Dec 23 with 1817 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Nicola Sturgeon has really let herself down on this one, I’m shocked…






…completely forgot to shoehorn an independence referendum into her speech.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 09:12 - Dec 23 with 1758 viewslowhouseblue

The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:20 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue

How the heck has this been reported for abuse? It’s not much different to badger posting “Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil”.

Getting back to the op. There is a big divide in Scotland over this legislation with those who object being in the majority. So credit to the Scottish government for not taking the easy option and pressing ahead with what they believe to be right.

Objection to the bill seem to fall into two catorfories. Those who shout ‘stop the world I want to get off’ because they simply can’t get their heads around the idea of Trans people, and those people (mostly women) who have genuine concerns for the safety of womens spaces. I can’t imagine being a vulnerable woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse and those women shouldn’t be dismissed as being anti trans. They are entitled to be listened to.

Their main concern is the short time that somebody somebody is required to self identify as a woman before being able to legally change this status. On the flip side, for somebody who has been born into the wrong body they have been waiting their entire life for this moment.

With regards to the issue of safety, last month, a UN special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, warned the Scottish bill could endanger women. Reem Alsalem said it "would potentially open the door for violent males who identify as men to abuse the process of acquiring a gender certificate and the rights that are associated with it". On the flip side, the UN's independent expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, Victor Madrigal-Borloz said on Friday: “There are no administrative or judicial findings that validate the idea that the risk of abuse is a material one.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63993415

So the debate is way too complicated for a group of mostly heterosexual men on a football message board. And is bound to descend into name calling. Which is a shame as there is a genuine debate to be had, and if people can refrain from name calling and are respectful then there is no reason it shouldn’t be had.

My own opinion is that all human beings deserve respect and should be allowed to live their lives with dignity. They should not be discriminated against because of their race, colour, religion, sexuality or gender. Just like I can’t imagine being a woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse, I can’t imagine what it’s like to spend formative years trapped in the wrong body. And if this legislation helps people to be able to live their lives as the person they want to be then it can only be positive. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also listen to women and address their concerns.

Probably a bit of a heavy and rambling post for this turn of the morning but I’m basically having the debate inside my own head.

Edited 4 pour smelling.
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i'm not convinced that the bill significantly affects the legality of single sex spaces. so while there is a real conflict of rights more generally behind the wider debate, with some potential challenges to the rights of biological women, i don't think this bill in practice changes things.

the (widely used) phrase that stands out for me is "born into the wrong body". logically, scientifically, biologically, that is a meaningless phrase. yes people feel that, but it's just sanitising the psychological state previously described as 'gender dysmorphia'. as a phrase 'gender dysmorphia' is of course more medical and less validating than 'born into the wrong body', but that psychological context, particularly for adolescents, remains important to understand. with adolescents there can be an awful lot going on with gender dysmorphia being one part of broader issues someone may be dealing with. i worry that dropping gender dysmorphia reduces the recognition of that.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 09:17 - Dec 23 with 1704 viewsStokieBlue

The trans Bill in Scotland on 07:40 - Dec 23 by MattinLondon

Can you explain why you think white heterosexual males are now the real victims? Not generic statements but actual real life examples.

I’m interested in why you think that this is the case.


You'll not get an answer, I asked last night and he posted a few times after but totally ignored my question.

It's interesting, some posters on here post some horrible stuff, refuse to support it and then we are told to #BeKind when calling it out.

SB
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 09:20 - Dec 23 with 1660 viewsDJR

The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:20 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue

How the heck has this been reported for abuse? It’s not much different to badger posting “Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil”.

Getting back to the op. There is a big divide in Scotland over this legislation with those who object being in the majority. So credit to the Scottish government for not taking the easy option and pressing ahead with what they believe to be right.

Objection to the bill seem to fall into two catorfories. Those who shout ‘stop the world I want to get off’ because they simply can’t get their heads around the idea of Trans people, and those people (mostly women) who have genuine concerns for the safety of womens spaces. I can’t imagine being a vulnerable woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse and those women shouldn’t be dismissed as being anti trans. They are entitled to be listened to.

Their main concern is the short time that somebody somebody is required to self identify as a woman before being able to legally change this status. On the flip side, for somebody who has been born into the wrong body they have been waiting their entire life for this moment.

With regards to the issue of safety, last month, a UN special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, warned the Scottish bill could endanger women. Reem Alsalem said it "would potentially open the door for violent males who identify as men to abuse the process of acquiring a gender certificate and the rights that are associated with it". On the flip side, the UN's independent expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, Victor Madrigal-Borloz said on Friday: “There are no administrative or judicial findings that validate the idea that the risk of abuse is a material one.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63993415

So the debate is way too complicated for a group of mostly heterosexual men on a football message board. And is bound to descend into name calling. Which is a shame as there is a genuine debate to be had, and if people can refrain from name calling and are respectful then there is no reason it shouldn’t be had.

My own opinion is that all human beings deserve respect and should be allowed to live their lives with dignity. They should not be discriminated against because of their race, colour, religion, sexuality or gender. Just like I can’t imagine being a woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse, I can’t imagine what it’s like to spend formative years trapped in the wrong body. And if this legislation helps people to be able to live their lives as the person they want to be then it can only be positive. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also listen to women and address their concerns.

Probably a bit of a heavy and rambling post for this turn of the morning but I’m basically having the debate inside my own head.

Edited 4 pour smelling.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2022 9:47]


My concern is that it is difficult to have a proper debate when the issue seems to have been weaponised by the right to fire up its base.

There are no doubt parallels with the debate around the legalisation of homosexuality when, from what I can recall, there were concerns about gay people abusing or converting heterosexual adults and children. But we didn't, for example, end up with separate toilets for gays and non-gays.

The point of my posts were to show that there was some cross-party support in Scotland, to link an explanation of the Bill which showed that it was not as extreme as it was made out to be, and to pose the question whether Labour down south would be brave enough to follow suit.

The sad thing is that the country has become increasingly intolerant since 2015. Cameron was a social liberal and wanted to introduce same-sex marriage to show the Tories had changed. But I can't imagine the current Tory government bringing forward such a measure. Indeed, I wonder, if it weren't already legal, if homosexuality would be decriminalised in the current climate.

In this context, I do wonder if Labour would steer clear of this issue, even though the House of Common's Women and Equality Committee have called for reform similar to that in Scotland.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/ne
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 09:40 - Dec 23 with 1574 viewsBlueschev

The trans Bill in Scotland on 22:59 - Dec 22 by gtsb1966

Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country.
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I hear you brother. Nobody takes the knee for us do they?

Keep up the good fight and one day, just maybe, we'll see a middle aged heterosexual white man in a position of power. I have a dream...
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 09:40 - Dec 23 with 1573 viewsRyorry

The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:20 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue

How the heck has this been reported for abuse? It’s not much different to badger posting “Congratulations on securing your first ten-pager to get pulled by Phil”.

Getting back to the op. There is a big divide in Scotland over this legislation with those who object being in the majority. So credit to the Scottish government for not taking the easy option and pressing ahead with what they believe to be right.

Objection to the bill seem to fall into two catorfories. Those who shout ‘stop the world I want to get off’ because they simply can’t get their heads around the idea of Trans people, and those people (mostly women) who have genuine concerns for the safety of womens spaces. I can’t imagine being a vulnerable woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse and those women shouldn’t be dismissed as being anti trans. They are entitled to be listened to.

Their main concern is the short time that somebody somebody is required to self identify as a woman before being able to legally change this status. On the flip side, for somebody who has been born into the wrong body they have been waiting their entire life for this moment.

With regards to the issue of safety, last month, a UN special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, warned the Scottish bill could endanger women. Reem Alsalem said it "would potentially open the door for violent males who identify as men to abuse the process of acquiring a gender certificate and the rights that are associated with it". On the flip side, the UN's independent expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, Victor Madrigal-Borloz said on Friday: “There are no administrative or judicial findings that validate the idea that the risk of abuse is a material one.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63993415

So the debate is way too complicated for a group of mostly heterosexual men on a football message board. And is bound to descend into name calling. Which is a shame as there is a genuine debate to be had, and if people can refrain from name calling and are respectful then there is no reason it shouldn’t be had.

My own opinion is that all human beings deserve respect and should be allowed to live their lives with dignity. They should not be discriminated against because of their race, colour, religion, sexuality or gender. Just like I can’t imagine being a woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse, I can’t imagine what it’s like to spend formative years trapped in the wrong body. And if this legislation helps people to be able to live their lives as the person they want to be then it can only be positive. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also listen to women and address their concerns.

Probably a bit of a heavy and rambling post for this turn of the morning but I’m basically having the debate inside my own head.

Edited 4 pour smelling.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2022 9:47]


Very well said.

I wasn't going to post on this as when I've done so on numerous previous threads on the topic, I was the lone voice biological female voice, in a minority of one, and on every occasion got a shedload of abuse & character assassination for my pains - a nuanced discussion was impossible (tho it was possible to have one with several trans people on Twitter). The person mostly responsible for all that on here has not posted on this thread, but he might do, so I feel quite shaky now posting this, esp as I've not been in a good emotional state lately (some of you will know I recently lost my old dog) & particularly wanted to avoid confrontation just before Christmas.

Having written that last paragraph, it strikes me that it has echoes of the very heart of the debate - the fears that women and girls have about their safe spaces - I don't just mean toilets/changing rooms (I think there may be ways round that) - but places where women live long-term, like prisons & refuges for women - especially refuges for women. None of you has lived from birth as a biological female, having it repeatedly drummed into you (with good reason) from age 5 or 6 up (if not earlier) to be careful of men, they are potentially dangerous, so that by the time you're 10 or so, you're automatically, instinctively careful, it's in every nerve, muscle & braincell.

I wonder when Nicola Sturgeon last had to spend months in a womens' refuge, fleeing domestic violence, or a few weeks/months/years living in a womens' prison.

Of course trans people, a minority group, should have the same freedoms & rights as anyone else - but not when that means diminishing the freedoms & rights of 50% of the population which have taken centuries to arrive at in the UK. If any politician in the UK wants to pass a bill like this, they'd first have to engage on a massive consultation, education & explanation campaign and take a large majority of those born biological women with them. So far, this has not been done.

Couple of things I've seen elsewhere -



https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens?utm_source=substack&


*Edited for grammar
[Post edited 23 Dec 2022 9:43]

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 09:57 - Dec 23 with 1503 viewsDJR

The trans Bill in Scotland on 09:40 - Dec 23 by Ryorry

Very well said.

I wasn't going to post on this as when I've done so on numerous previous threads on the topic, I was the lone voice biological female voice, in a minority of one, and on every occasion got a shedload of abuse & character assassination for my pains - a nuanced discussion was impossible (tho it was possible to have one with several trans people on Twitter). The person mostly responsible for all that on here has not posted on this thread, but he might do, so I feel quite shaky now posting this, esp as I've not been in a good emotional state lately (some of you will know I recently lost my old dog) & particularly wanted to avoid confrontation just before Christmas.

Having written that last paragraph, it strikes me that it has echoes of the very heart of the debate - the fears that women and girls have about their safe spaces - I don't just mean toilets/changing rooms (I think there may be ways round that) - but places where women live long-term, like prisons & refuges for women - especially refuges for women. None of you has lived from birth as a biological female, having it repeatedly drummed into you (with good reason) from age 5 or 6 up (if not earlier) to be careful of men, they are potentially dangerous, so that by the time you're 10 or so, you're automatically, instinctively careful, it's in every nerve, muscle & braincell.

I wonder when Nicola Sturgeon last had to spend months in a womens' refuge, fleeing domestic violence, or a few weeks/months/years living in a womens' prison.

Of course trans people, a minority group, should have the same freedoms & rights as anyone else - but not when that means diminishing the freedoms & rights of 50% of the population which have taken centuries to arrive at in the UK. If any politician in the UK wants to pass a bill like this, they'd first have to engage on a massive consultation, education & explanation campaign and take a large majority of those born biological women with them. So far, this has not been done.

Couple of things I've seen elsewhere -



https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens?utm_source=substack&


*Edited for grammar
[Post edited 23 Dec 2022 9:43]


Very well done for posting. Like you, I don't like the way views are shot down in an aggressive way on this forum. Let's debate, but let's debate kindly.
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 10:03 - Dec 23 with 1461 viewsSwansea_Blue

The trans Bill in Scotland on 08:57 - Dec 23 by Zx1988

I'll just leave this here for you, Lucan:



If that's true, by Christ there are a lot of people getting themselves worked up over nothing. Not surprising though. It wasn't that long ago that gay people weren't recognised in law for marriages, etc., and that was a long and bitter battle for them too.

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The trans Bill in Scotland on 10:06 - Dec 23 with 1424 viewsStokieBlue

The trans Bill in Scotland on 10:03 - Dec 23 by Swansea_Blue

If that's true, by Christ there are a lot of people getting themselves worked up over nothing. Not surprising though. It wasn't that long ago that gay people weren't recognised in law for marriages, etc., and that was a long and bitter battle for them too.


Please don't forget.

White heterosexual males are the real victims. Spare a thought for them this Christmas.

SB
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The trans Bill in Scotland on 10:16 - Dec 23 with 1365 viewsDJR

The trans Bill in Scotland on 10:03 - Dec 23 by Swansea_Blue

If that's true, by Christ there are a lot of people getting themselves worked up over nothing. Not surprising though. It wasn't that long ago that gay people weren't recognised in law for marriages, etc., and that was a long and bitter battle for them too.


The explanation I linked earlier confirms this is the case.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill-more-i
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