| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 20:56 - Jan 18 with 1345 views | MattinLondon |
But I thought that the money coming to the UK was really just our money anyway and that any organisation which received EU funding will get exactly the same from the UK government.
Please don’t tell me that this was a lie to fool the voters? |  | |  |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:17 - Jan 18 with 1300 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 20:56 - Jan 18 by MattinLondon |
But I thought that the money coming to the UK was really just our money anyway and that any organisation which received EU funding will get exactly the same from the UK government.
Please don’t tell me that this was a lie to fool the voters? |
That was always the line trotted out by people defending Brexit - I saw it on here a few times. Unbelievable naivety really, as it was obvious there wouldn’t be replacement funding for many of the small scale social and environmental projects - they’re not government priorities. Nor the larger project either. We’ve lost something like £20-£30M a year which was supporting god knows how many positions. Maybe 300 staff across all our ERDF/ESF projects at a guess. All gone (or will be when the last few projects finish this year). |  |
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:31 - Jan 18 with 1265 views | MattinLondon |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:17 - Jan 18 by Swansea_Blue |
That was always the line trotted out by people defending Brexit - I saw it on here a few times. Unbelievable naivety really, as it was obvious there wouldn’t be replacement funding for many of the small scale social and environmental projects - they’re not government priorities. Nor the larger project either. We’ve lost something like £20-£30M a year which was supporting god knows how many positions. Maybe 300 staff across all our ERDF/ESF projects at a guess. All gone (or will be when the last few projects finish this year). |
I know it’s easy to label Brexit types as stupid but that really is far too simplistic. Blinded by years of Eurosceptism and some sort of romantic view of the past which they thought could fire the UK into the future enticing the rest of the world.
Brexit, if we lived in a grown-up country didn’t have to be as destructive as it has been - acceptance that the UK will leave but stay in the single market with freedom of movement. Think this would have been accepted by most. But we had this winner take all mentality which the Tories morphed into UKIP in which they convinced themselves that Brexit was brought in by a massive majority. When in reality it was 52-48.
I don’t get much right but I did think that the referendum would go the way of the Leavers but that in 20-25 years time, the younger generations would want to go back in.
Anyway, I’ve gone off-topic. [Post edited 18 Jan 2023 21:32]
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:44 - Jan 18 with 1231 views | factual_blue |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:17 - Jan 18 by Swansea_Blue |
That was always the line trotted out by people defending Brexit - I saw it on here a few times. Unbelievable naivety really, as it was obvious there wouldn’t be replacement funding for many of the small scale social and environmental projects - they’re not government priorities. Nor the larger project either. We’ve lost something like £20-£30M a year which was supporting god knows how many positions. Maybe 300 staff across all our ERDF/ESF projects at a guess. All gone (or will be when the last few projects finish this year). |
Yeah, but there are plenty of jobs in fruit-picking and the care sector. |  |
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:49 - Jan 18 with 1218 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:44 - Jan 18 by factual_blue |
Yeah, but there are plenty of jobs in fruit-picking and the care sector. |
Those lazy nurses really should be jumping on these second job opportunities instead of bleating about having real-terms pay cuts. After all, it's what MPs do to make their salaries stretch to their needs; take on a second and third job. |  |
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 22:10 - Jan 18 with 1185 views | Keno |
That’s ok, it can be made up out of the £350 mill a week we have saved by leaving |  |
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 22:13 - Jan 18 with 1174 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 22:10 - Jan 18 by Keno |
That’s ok, it can be made up out of the £350 mill a week we have saved by leaving |
I think that has been earmarked for a PPE/ferry company, though. | |
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 23:04 - Jan 18 with 1125 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 22:13 - Jan 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think that has been earmarked for a PPE/ferry company, though. |
My pay rise, innit. |  |
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 23:47 - Jan 18 with 1093 views | HARRY10 |
"acceptance that the UK will leave but stay in the single market with freedom of movement. "
eh ?
That was never an option, any more than keeping an ST at PR but not paying is an option.
However wee Willie Hague once a staunch brexiter had this to say today "Brexit is to blame for the collapse of the British electric car battery start-up Britishvolt causing hundreds of job losses" The Tory grandee said the failure of the company — which had plans to build a giga-factory in Northumberland — was “part of the damage” of the UK’s exit from the EU."
The move back inro the EU started way before the official leaving date. It should be noted that the date for imposing controls on imports has been pushed back yet agaisn (4th time) And unsurprisingly there is no attempt ro built the necessary infrastructure (they know its not going to be needed)
Johnsons bollx about scrapping the NI protocol has now been abandoned just as his bollx about the UK not paying the so called divorce payments to the EU. The UK are paying, and are also now backing down over NI protocol.
Rees-Moggs idiotic bill to earase all UK law derived from the EU will fail, as has everything else this absurdity has touched. Removing the right to compensation for airline delays, restoring roaming charges for phones, removing clean water levels and a host of other standards will not be acceptable once the great unwashed has it explained to them
The chaos it would bring to business has already been raised. Removing 4000 laws from the statute books on the same day might over excite the dim but in legal terms it is a no no.
Brexit reached its high water mark some while ago. The question now is how fast it will be dismantledand how fast is the need for the UK to pull itself out of isolation and its current inward looking self defeating protectionist model. |  | | |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 08:22 - Jan 19 with 949 views | mylittletown |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 23:47 - Jan 18 by HARRY10 |
"acceptance that the UK will leave but stay in the single market with freedom of movement. "
eh ?
That was never an option, any more than keeping an ST at PR but not paying is an option.
However wee Willie Hague once a staunch brexiter had this to say today "Brexit is to blame for the collapse of the British electric car battery start-up Britishvolt causing hundreds of job losses" The Tory grandee said the failure of the company — which had plans to build a giga-factory in Northumberland — was “part of the damage” of the UK’s exit from the EU."
The move back inro the EU started way before the official leaving date. It should be noted that the date for imposing controls on imports has been pushed back yet agaisn (4th time) And unsurprisingly there is no attempt ro built the necessary infrastructure (they know its not going to be needed)
Johnsons bollx about scrapping the NI protocol has now been abandoned just as his bollx about the UK not paying the so called divorce payments to the EU. The UK are paying, and are also now backing down over NI protocol.
Rees-Moggs idiotic bill to earase all UK law derived from the EU will fail, as has everything else this absurdity has touched. Removing the right to compensation for airline delays, restoring roaming charges for phones, removing clean water levels and a host of other standards will not be acceptable once the great unwashed has it explained to them
The chaos it would bring to business has already been raised. Removing 4000 laws from the statute books on the same day might over excite the dim but in legal terms it is a no no.
Brexit reached its high water mark some while ago. The question now is how fast it will be dismantledand how fast is the need for the UK to pull itself out of isolation and its current inward looking self defeating protectionist model. |
Unfortunately a good deal of the damage is long-term or even irreversible.
I can't see us rejoining in the next 20 years or so, maybe even longer, although the British public will become increasingly keen on us doing so.
- The EU will not be be desperate for us to do so. (They don't need us more than we need them)
- We would have to accept the Euro, which even I don't think is a good idea.
- We would have to join Schengen, which I wouldn't mind, but which is easy to represent as an immigration nightmare for Mail readers and other xenophobes.
I think the best we could expect in the next 5 years or so is some sort of customs union deal, which we should sign tomorrow, followed by a series of little increments, gradually building the deal up to something like Switzerland. |  | | |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 16:57 - Jan 19 with 846 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:31 - Jan 18 by MattinLondon |
I know it’s easy to label Brexit types as stupid but that really is far too simplistic. Blinded by years of Eurosceptism and some sort of romantic view of the past which they thought could fire the UK into the future enticing the rest of the world.
Brexit, if we lived in a grown-up country didn’t have to be as destructive as it has been - acceptance that the UK will leave but stay in the single market with freedom of movement. Think this would have been accepted by most. But we had this winner take all mentality which the Tories morphed into UKIP in which they convinced themselves that Brexit was brought in by a massive majority. When in reality it was 52-48.
I don’t get much right but I did think that the referendum would go the way of the Leavers but that in 20-25 years time, the younger generations would want to go back in.
Anyway, I’ve gone off-topic. [Post edited 18 Jan 2023 21:32]
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It’s seems to be driven by an ideological fanaticism that destroy or remove anything linked to the EU. You’re right that it didn’t need to be as destructive, but this lot would never compromise (it’s the same type of mindset being the failed Truss/Kearteng/IEA experiment that’s cost us all).
We’re still seeing that fanatical lack of reason now with the retained law bill. They’re determined to wipe those laws of the statute books just because they originate from the EU (many of which involved us shaping them). Madness. | |
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 20:00 - Jan 19 with 794 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 16:57 - Jan 19 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s seems to be driven by an ideological fanaticism that destroy or remove anything linked to the EU. You’re right that it didn’t need to be as destructive, but this lot would never compromise (it’s the same type of mindset being the failed Truss/Kearteng/IEA experiment that’s cost us all).
We’re still seeing that fanatical lack of reason now with the retained law bill. They’re determined to wipe those laws of the statute books just because they originate from the EU (many of which involved us shaping them). Madness. |
It is more a case of the stick insect out of his depth, again. Business has already been made aware of the danage, if not danger, it will cause. Wait till the public learn what it will do.
I suspect this is merely a 'cunnibg plan' to try and implement something that will not be passed, so as to claim 'we wuz robbed'
'The wealthy metropolitan, sneering elite with their toffee eating and skinny larte tea dar drinking wokists have once again thwarted the swill of the people ...blah blah'
Meanwhile you have to feel sorry for the red wall thickos as their betters demonstrate why they are their betters (financially at least)
"Tory seats have been awarded significantly more money per person from the government’s £4bn levelling up fund than areas with similar levels of deprivation ........ Councils discovered that wealthy areas, including the prime minister’s Richmond constituency, will benefit from the new £2.1bn pot of funding while many deprived areas will miss out.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/19/tory-seats-gain-more-4bn-levell
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| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:39 - Jan 19 with 758 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 16:57 - Jan 19 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s seems to be driven by an ideological fanaticism that destroy or remove anything linked to the EU. You’re right that it didn’t need to be as destructive, but this lot would never compromise (it’s the same type of mindset being the failed Truss/Kearteng/IEA experiment that’s cost us all).
We’re still seeing that fanatical lack of reason now with the retained law bill. They’re determined to wipe those laws of the statute books just because they originate from the EU (many of which involved us shaping them). Madness. |
When you remember that one of the suggested motivations for the disaster capitalists to want us to leave was that the EU was due to be bringing in more anti money laundering and anti tax avoidance legislation, it is unwise for us to assume that Rees-Mogg is stupid, but that, instead, buried deep beneath all the headline grabbing laws like clean water or wildlife protection, there will be some very boring tax compliance stuff.
All the fuss will be about Animal Rights or Areas of Natural Beauty, and Rees-Mogg, at the last minute will make concessions and introduce legislation to cover whichever areas most vex the British public just before the vote to strike out the EU laws.
And nobody will say a word about the boring anti tax haven stuff.
Job done, Rees-Mogg will put his feet up on the green leather front bench, lie back, and smugly smile to himself. | | | |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 22:30 - Jan 19 with 722 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit benefit number 23456775 on 21:39 - Jan 19 by ArnoldMoorhen |
When you remember that one of the suggested motivations for the disaster capitalists to want us to leave was that the EU was due to be bringing in more anti money laundering and anti tax avoidance legislation, it is unwise for us to assume that Rees-Mogg is stupid, but that, instead, buried deep beneath all the headline grabbing laws like clean water or wildlife protection, there will be some very boring tax compliance stuff.
All the fuss will be about Animal Rights or Areas of Natural Beauty, and Rees-Mogg, at the last minute will make concessions and introduce legislation to cover whichever areas most vex the British public just before the vote to strike out the EU laws.
And nobody will say a word about the boring anti tax haven stuff.
Job done, Rees-Mogg will put his feet up on the green leather front bench, lie back, and smugly smile to himself. |
I agree with your sentiment, but were such legislation in place it would have been implented way back.
The problem this idiocy presents is no one, at this stage knows what laws will go - over 4000 at the last count. There might be upset with the great unwashed when they realise it was not UK government who ended roaming charges, guaranteed ther holidays or upheald so many other workplace protections. But the real problem will be forcing business to take on board more costs, more red tape and regulation as rules that kept UK business trading hassle free with the EU are removed.
Not being the brightest 'sticky' has been left holding the catapult when all the other kids jhave scapered. There was a good reason why he languished on the back benchers iuntil Johnson and his need for bigger idiots than himself came along,
Unfortunately, the reason poor sticky was ridiculed at both Eton and Oxford became all to apparent with his total ballsup of the Owen Payterson affair. Shunted off to the non job of finding something good about brexit, he spectacularly failed once more, so was handed this poisonous chalice.
To unpick every bit of legislation to determine what stays and what does not 'will require hundreds of extra staff '(FT) - and is rather self defeating as keeping EU standards rather highlights the point that the EU is not a naughty and cruel owner of the UK, but something that has consistently made trading within the EU much easier.
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