| Both managers agreed to call game off 17:42 - Jan 21 with 7944 views | ElderGrizzly |
But too late!
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 22:49 - Jan 21 with 1935 views | pointofblue |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 22:46 - Jan 21 by coolcat |
Looks like the club is going to look into it, according to the latest news item. Remains to be seen what happens with that. |
Nothing. Can hardly deprive Oxford of the three points now. |  |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 23:33 - Jan 21 with 1867 views | Churchman |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 22:46 - Jan 21 by coolcat |
Looks like the club is going to look into it, according to the latest news item. Remains to be seen what happens with that. |
There is nothing to look into. It was the same for both teams. Would we look into it if we’d won? Of course not. Any sour grapes need to go straight into the bin. Oxford won the game fair and square. I’m sure we will show a little class and accept that. |  | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 00:32 - Jan 22 with 1834 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 23:33 - Jan 21 by Churchman |
There is nothing to look into. It was the same for both teams. Would we look into it if we’d won? Of course not. Any sour grapes need to go straight into the bin. Oxford won the game fair and square. I’m sure we will show a little class and accept that. |
I agree that Oxford won the game fair and square, and in terms of the result there is nothing to look into, no qualms about their win. I suppose the thing that both clubs will be looking into is that this is another instance of substandard officials. The league in general deserves better than someone who makes things up as they go. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:33]
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 06:36 - Jan 22 with 1741 views | Churchman |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 00:32 - Jan 22 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I agree that Oxford won the game fair and square, and in terms of the result there is nothing to look into, no qualms about their win. I suppose the thing that both clubs will be looking into is that this is another instance of substandard officials. The league in general deserves better than someone who makes things up as they go. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:33]
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There’s nothing to look into. Everyone knows the officials are poor at this pitiful level. That nobody knew the rules today is one of those things and something I’ve no doubt the League will look at at.
The game against Leicester about 12 years ago in the league above in the snow was an unwatchable joke and should have been abandoned. It wasn’t, the conditions were the same for both teams and nobody moaned about it, any more than they did about some of the appalling conditions in the 70s.
One of the beauties of playing a long season is playing through the seasons in all conditions. I do hope our players take a long hard look at themselves and don’t use conditions as an excuse for being second best yesterday. | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 06:45 - Jan 22 with 1730 views | HemelBlue |
Reading the Oxford manager’s comments, looks like he wanted to call it off and we did too… until we realised it would stand as a 1-1 draw ad we needed the win. Then we demanded it carry on, and they still wanted it called off. Although I think the ref should have called it off, it’s a bit tinpot for us to complain it wan’t called off when it was us demanding it continue. It’s just because we lost. | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 07:11 - Jan 22 with 1699 views | HemelBlue |
IFAB rules say that matches abandoned may be considered complete after 60minutes have elapsed with completed time according to the referee. So you would hope we were advised correctly that the result *may* stand and it sounds like we wanted to chance it because we needed the win. I believe that is winner’s mentality, even though we lost.
Ultimately though, it would have been at the discretion of the EFL Board as EFL rules state that a ‘League Match which from any cause whatever falls short of 90 (ninety) minutes’ duration may be ordered to count as a completed fixture or be replayed in full or in part on whatever terms and conditions the Board shall in their absolute discretion determine and shall be played in compliance with these Regulations and the Football Association Rules respectively and under the Laws of the Game as approved by the International Football Association Board’.
So it would have been totally up to the EFL Board. I can’t find if there is predent and if there is, the decision may already be known that the EFL Board favours holding the results as valid. Absent this important information about precedent, my personal view is that they would have decided it should be replayed because it is likely to have an impact on automatic promotiok. We’ll never know though. I am proud of the ‘win at all costs’ mentality even if it cost us a point or the chance to go again for 3. But having taken that gamble, we should not complain. It was our gamble and we lost. | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 07:20 - Jan 22 with 1690 views | Danny_G |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 07:11 - Jan 22 by HemelBlue |
IFAB rules say that matches abandoned may be considered complete after 60minutes have elapsed with completed time according to the referee. So you would hope we were advised correctly that the result *may* stand and it sounds like we wanted to chance it because we needed the win. I believe that is winner’s mentality, even though we lost.
Ultimately though, it would have been at the discretion of the EFL Board as EFL rules state that a ‘League Match which from any cause whatever falls short of 90 (ninety) minutes’ duration may be ordered to count as a completed fixture or be replayed in full or in part on whatever terms and conditions the Board shall in their absolute discretion determine and shall be played in compliance with these Regulations and the Football Association Rules respectively and under the Laws of the Game as approved by the International Football Association Board’.
So it would have been totally up to the EFL Board. I can’t find if there is predent and if there is, the decision may already be known that the EFL Board favours holding the results as valid. Absent this important information about precedent, my personal view is that they would have decided it should be replayed because it is likely to have an impact on automatic promotiok. We’ll never know though. I am proud of the ‘win at all costs’ mentality even if it cost us a point or the chance to go again for 3. But having taken that gamble, we should not complain. It was our gamble and we lost. |
Could you point me to this 60-minute rule? I have the IFAB rules open and I can’t see anything about it in there
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/the-duration-of-the-match/ | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 08:42 - Jan 22 with 1658 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 06:36 - Jan 22 by Churchman |
There’s nothing to look into. Everyone knows the officials are poor at this pitiful level. That nobody knew the rules today is one of those things and something I’ve no doubt the League will look at at.
The game against Leicester about 12 years ago in the league above in the snow was an unwatchable joke and should have been abandoned. It wasn’t, the conditions were the same for both teams and nobody moaned about it, any more than they did about some of the appalling conditions in the 70s.
One of the beauties of playing a long season is playing through the seasons in all conditions. I do hope our players take a long hard look at themselves and don’t use conditions as an excuse for being second best yesterday. |
I doubt they'll be allowed to dwell on it or blame it, but it was always going to come up post match. All of what you've said is true, but still feel we have an obligation to file our report on another ref that doesn't have a clue. I'm not sure I trust the EFL to follow up anything with the ref otherwise, which just means it will happen again to someone else. | |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 08:48 - Jan 22 with 1657 views | timothyeo |
Both teams had the same circumstances so it didn't create an unbalance or unfairness. | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 09:00 - Jan 22 with 1640 views | Churchman |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 08:42 - Jan 22 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I doubt they'll be allowed to dwell on it or blame it, but it was always going to come up post match. All of what you've said is true, but still feel we have an obligation to file our report on another ref that doesn't have a clue. I'm not sure I trust the EFL to follow up anything with the ref otherwise, which just means it will happen again to someone else. |
I agree. File a report. Shake the cage. I just don’t want it used as an excuse for our failure. If it’d been foggy just at one end, switching at half time it might have been relevant.
McKenna should have blanked all questions about the weather and kept to the game itself. | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 09:49 - Jan 22 with 1587 views | Ryorry |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 09:00 - Jan 22 by Churchman |
I agree. File a report. Shake the cage. I just don’t want it used as an excuse for our failure. If it’d been foggy just at one end, switching at half time it might have been relevant.
McKenna should have blanked all questions about the weather and kept to the game itself. |
Sorry, but I disagree with you that conditions affected both teams equally, when they were basically in mid-table & taking a gamble was neither here nor there to them re departing L1 at one end or t'other. To us however, continuing was clearly a massively high stakes gamble that could significantly affect our promotion chances.
As has been pointed out in other threads, a replay in normal conditions would favour us far more, as the bookies' odds the previous day highlighted. |  |
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| Norwich start winning…. on 10:02 - Jan 22 with 1581 views | Bloots |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 08:48 - Jan 22 by timothyeo |
Both teams had the same circumstances so it didn't create an unbalance or unfairness. |
….Ipswich start losing, and you suddenly reappear.
A strange and yet blindingly obvious coincidence. |  |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 10:13 - Jan 22 with 1552 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 22:49 - Jan 21 by pointofblue |
Nothing. Can hardly deprive Oxford of the three points now. |
I hope not (even though of course it would be good for us to replay). I hope they send that ref back to Scotland though. The useless twot. |  |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 10:20 - Jan 22 with 1529 views | DJR |
That provision does say competition rules may otherwise provide, but there is also nothing in the EFL rules themselves either.
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/efl-regulations/sect
All they say about abandonment concerns the clubs having a policy about refunds to spectators and the away side being entitled to expenses. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:24]
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 10:20 - Jan 22 with 1527 views | Ryorry |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 10:13 - Jan 22 by Swansea_Blue |
I hope not (even though of course it would be good for us to replay). I hope they send that ref back to Scotland though. The useless twot. |
Just basic common sense was required wasn't it - an 80-year old with double hip & knee replacements could have checked the rules before k/o in thick fog - which was always going to get worse as daylight started to go & the temp. dropped. | |
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| Norwich start winning…. on 10:51 - Jan 22 with 1505 views | PhilTWTD |
| Norwich start winning…. on 10:02 - Jan 22 by Bloots |
….Ipswich start losing, and you suddenly reappear.
A strange and yet blindingly obvious coincidence. |
He's gone. |  | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 10:59 - Jan 22 with 1483 views | DJR |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 10:20 - Jan 22 by Ryorry |
Just basic common sense was required wasn't it - an 80-year old with double hip & knee replacements could have checked the rules before k/o in thick fog - which was always going to get worse as daylight started to go & the temp. dropped. |
We've substantially increased the staff in various areas of the club, maybe we just need a larger legal department, with a QC (or now KC) on the touchline ready to slap in an injunction. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:59]
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 11:42 - Jan 22 with 1440 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 10:59 - Jan 22 by DJR |
We've substantially increased the staff in various areas of the club, maybe we just need a larger legal department, with a QC (or now KC) on the touchline ready to slap in an injunction. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:59]
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Joking aside
You do have to wonder what the situation would be now if it were a top Prem side.
My view is that if the game wasn't allowed to be abandoned because the officials got the law wrong then it is not unreasonable to seek a replay. |  |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 12:20 - Jan 22 with 1396 views | DJR |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 11:42 - Jan 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Joking aside
You do have to wonder what the situation would be now if it were a top Prem side.
My view is that if the game wasn't allowed to be abandoned because the officials got the law wrong then it is not unreasonable to seek a replay. |
Agreed. And I wouldn't be surprised if the club are consulting lawyers about it.
On the other hand, would it just not add to our supposed arrogance, and make teams and spectators even more keen to beat us?
Certainly, Oxford would be fired up for the replay. | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 13:36 - Jan 22 with 1344 views | Churchman |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 09:49 - Jan 22 by Ryorry |
Sorry, but I disagree with you that conditions affected both teams equally, when they were basically in mid-table & taking a gamble was neither here nor there to them re departing L1 at one end or t'other. To us however, continuing was clearly a massively high stakes gamble that could significantly affect our promotion chances.
As has been pointed out in other threads, a replay in normal conditions would favour us far more, as the bookies' odds the previous day highlighted. |
Surely if you are the better side, the conditions don’t matter. One pitch, one lot of fog, two teams. We should be better than this. Are Sheffield and Plymouth going weak at the knees at the end of games? No, they are closing games and teams out, most of them with ease.
For us, we lost. Fair and square. There is no guarantee if we’d replayed the game that the result would have been any different, given our form over the last couple of months.
No, for me the weather, the economy, the pitch, the fog, the rules, Norwich’s vile kit, Ashton’s flat cap are all irrelevant. The only debate is why we are fading and what we can do about it. | | | |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 14:00 - Jan 22 with 1327 views | Ryorry |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 13:36 - Jan 22 by Churchman |
Surely if you are the better side, the conditions don’t matter. One pitch, one lot of fog, two teams. We should be better than this. Are Sheffield and Plymouth going weak at the knees at the end of games? No, they are closing games and teams out, most of them with ease.
For us, we lost. Fair and square. There is no guarantee if we’d replayed the game that the result would have been any different, given our form over the last couple of months.
No, for me the weather, the economy, the pitch, the fog, the rules, Norwich’s vile kit, Ashton’s flat cap are all irrelevant. The only debate is why we are fading and what we can do about it. |
I'd argue that conditions do matter, particularly since these days we're aiming mainly at a slick passing game along the floor, so you primarily want a good surface, clear visibility & not too windy, to assist pinpoint passing & movement.
Which isn't to say we shouldn't be able to change & mix it up where necessary - I'd agree KM/the players do need to have more flexibility in adapting mid-game if plan A isn't working. | |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 15:08 - Jan 22 with 1273 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 12:20 - Jan 22 by DJR |
Agreed. And I wouldn't be surprised if the club are consulting lawyers about it.
On the other hand, would it just not add to our supposed arrogance, and make teams and spectators even more keen to beat us?
Certainly, Oxford would be fired up for the replay. |
It's both a fairness and legal issue for me.
The game was obviously spoilt by the conditions, if neither manager had questioned it then fine - but that wasn't the case. | |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 15:22 - Jan 22 with 1257 views | bluelagos |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 12:20 - Jan 22 by DJR |
Agreed. And I wouldn't be surprised if the club are consulting lawyers about it.
On the other hand, would it just not add to our supposed arrogance, and make teams and spectators even more keen to beat us?
Certainly, Oxford would be fired up for the replay. |
"I wouldn't be surprised if the club are consulting lawyers"
I doubt that very much and even if they did, sfa chance of anything happening. The match was completed, end of. Even if the referee made a mistake in what he said to KM, referees make mistakes all the time and matches are not replayed. Results stand and you have to accept it.
So consulting lawyers would imho be as fruitful as/when a referee missed a clear pen or whatever. |  |
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 15:53 - Jan 22 with 1229 views | DJR |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 15:22 - Jan 22 by bluelagos |
"I wouldn't be surprised if the club are consulting lawyers"
I doubt that very much and even if they did, sfa chance of anything happening. The match was completed, end of. Even if the referee made a mistake in what he said to KM, referees make mistakes all the time and matches are not replayed. Results stand and you have to accept it.
So consulting lawyers would imho be as fruitful as/when a referee missed a clear pen or whatever. |
It seems to me that this is of a different order to a normal run-of-the mill refereeing mistake, and certainly if it was the last game of the season, and promotion depended on it, I would have thought we would take it as far as we could.
Of course, it depends on whether such an appeal would be covered by the rules, and it may be at the end of the day that lawyers would conclude there was nothing that could be done about it. But I would think it would be prudent to seek legal advice even if there was no intention to pursue the matter. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 15:54]
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| Both managers agreed to call game off on 16:03 - Jan 22 with 1214 views | LankHenners |
| Both managers agreed to call game off on 15:22 - Jan 22 by bluelagos |
"I wouldn't be surprised if the club are consulting lawyers"
I doubt that very much and even if they did, sfa chance of anything happening. The match was completed, end of. Even if the referee made a mistake in what he said to KM, referees make mistakes all the time and matches are not replayed. Results stand and you have to accept it.
So consulting lawyers would imho be as fruitful as/when a referee missed a clear pen or whatever. |
Would be like the Wolves thing with their goal against Liverpool in the FA Cup wrongly ruled offside. All they can do is say 'yeah, sorry ref made an error there' and move on. Can see why the club would want the confusion cleared up but not going to get anything out of it. |  |
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